ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[LambChop]

Okay...so he was at the restaurant.

IMO, any video shots that were taken of Robyn and Giordano came from the surveillance cameras of the dive shop, not the restaurant. One of the cameras could have been pointed in the direction of the restaurant. I believe the media spokesperson was speaking the truth when she said there were no security cameras at the restaurant.

All reports are the security cameras were in the restaurant because there is a picture of GG going to the car to refill his cup during lunch. Plus one of the workers at the bar is reported to have taken some still photographs as they were leaving the restaurant. GG is knocking on the bathroom doors which are located in the restaurant, not the dive shop. jmo

 

[Sapphire]

All reports are the security cameras were in the restaurant because there is a picture of GG going to the car to refill his cup during lunch. Plus one of the workers at the bar is reported to have taken some still photographs as they were leaving the restaurant. GG is knocking on the bathroom doors which are located in the restaurant, not the dive shop. jmo

Yes, you are correct. I was able to find this information about the security cameras.

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ALEXIS WEED, PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE SHOW: Right, Nancy, we`re hearing through ABC news that he appears on this surveillance video at 6:02, he`s behind the restaurant where they had that meal and he`s knocking on some shutters on the back of that restaurant, he then at 6:20 is heads to the kitchen, the back kitchen of the restaurant and says to someone there that they need to call police.

GRACE: Well, how does that jive, Martin Savidge? Joining us from Aruba, with the initial reports that he approaches an anonymous couple on the beach begging to use their cell phone at 6:30 to report her missing, that she`s drifted out to sea, Martin.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, here is how that can go down. First of all, the way that ABC describes all the cameras is not possible because we walked around the place. There are six cameras at the front of the facility. There are none at the back of this facility. So you can`t see what`s going on behind the restaurant.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/ng.01.html



When Gary and Robyn did the dry run the day before she went missing, I wonder if Gary noticed there were no cameras behind the facility. I have always felt he scoped out the area the day before. Could this have been the reason he chose this location? If so, he was well aware there were no cameras to confirm or deny the disappearance. JMO

 

[Niner]

I have posted the links about the lobby argument and the blood on the rocks in the Facts and Rumour thread for future reference

and an FYI - that's why I put Rumor next to the items in the TimeLine as rumor... :fence:

 

[Niner]

Yes, you are correct. I was able to find this information about the security cameras.

<snip>

ALEXIS WEED, PRODUCER, NANCY GRACE SHOW: Right, Nancy, we`re hearing through ABC news that he appears on this surveillance video at 6:02, he`s behind the restaurant where they had that meal and he`s knocking on some shutters on the back of that restaurant, he then at 6:20 is heads to the kitchen, the back kitchen of the restaurant and says to someone there that they need to call police.

GRACE: Well, how does that jive, Martin Savidge? Joining us from Aruba, with the initial reports that he approaches an anonymous couple on the beach begging to use their cell phone at 6:30 to report her missing, that she`s drifted out to sea, Martin.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, here is how that can go down. First of all, the way that ABC describes all the cameras is not possible because we walked around the place. There are six cameras at the front of the facility. There are none at the back of this facility. So you can`t see what`s going on behind the restaurant.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/ng.01.html



When Gary and Robyn did the dry run the day before she went missing, I wonder if Gary noticed there were no cameras behind the facility. I have always felt he scoped out the area the day before. Could this have been the reason he chose this location? If so, he was well aware there were no cameras to confirm or deny the disappearance. JMO

well - that (in red) doesn't make sense??!! :waitasec: WHERE and WHAT is the tape showing him knocking on the doors and shutters IF not in the back of the restaurant??!! :waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

I know it is very hard to visualize GG going into the water with all those rocks but apparently this is what he told investigators. Having been there myself I know how difficult those rocks are. I wore sandals once out near the cliffs and almost broke my ankle.

If he did go into the water himself I doubt if he got very far not being able to see all those rocks in the water. With the sun overhead you can see them but late in the day I doubt it. That might account for his bathing suit looking as if it were dry. It's possible he could only get out far enough to get only his feet wet. It seems possible and the odd statement he made to RG's mother, "I got my sneakers and socks wet looking for your daughter." He told LE he got his shoes wet because he was snorkeling in them.

Plus if they checked out the area the day before at the same time of day he may not have realized that the water was so rocky and thought it was a sandy bottom like the beach behind him. That would be a major flaw in his story and lead the investigators to believe she never went into the water at that location.

If GG put her in the water, say up by the eastern side of the coastline her body/remains will probably end up on a SA beach somewhere. That could be what they are waiting for. If this happened they would know exactly where she went into the water and his goose is cooked for sure. I think that is why they let him go. They know RG did not go into the water where he said she did. It's just a waiting game and hopefully they will find her in the near future. jmo

 

[LambChop]

well - that (in red) doesn't make sense??!! :waitasec: WHERE and WHAT is the tape showing him knocking on the doors and shutters IF not in the back of the restaurant??!! :waitasec:

The restrooms are in the restaurant, next to the bar. The cameras are also inside the restaurant. One points to the front entrance and the other is located in the bathrooms. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Everything I have read states Gary was back at the restaurant
No mention of the dive shop


Video footage from a few hours later shows Giordano back at the restaurant, without Gardner, knocking on windows and doors, though the restaurant is closed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-30-more-days-in-robyn-gardner-disappearance/

Searches in Aruba have proved fruitless in turning up any sign of Ms. Gardner, though the last known photos taken of her show her leaving a restaurant in the company of Mr. Giordano just hours before he returned to the same restaurant to report her missing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...iding-whether-keep-giordano-detaine/?page=all

Just a question---if the photos were "hours" before RG went missing, and GG is shown knocking on the doors of a "closed" restaurant at 6:00 then would it be safe to assume the restaurant was closing at 4 when they were leaving?
......and I have asked this before, might be a ridiculous question, but I wonder if the Rum Reef Restaurant has been searched. Isn't 4pm early for a restaurant to close? That restaurant and it's employees have provided key information as the last place Robyn was seen alive. IMO that place seems a little hinky.

 

[MaryAnn]

Just a question---if the photos were "hours" before RG went missing, and GG is shown knocking on the doors of a "closed" restaurant at 6:00 then would it be safe to assume the restaurant was closing at 4 when they were leaving?
......and I have asked this before, might be a ridiculous question, but I wonder if the Rum Reef Restaurant has been searched. Isn't 4pm early for a restaurant to close? That restaurant and it's employees have provided key information as the last place Robyn was seen alive. IMO that place seems a little hinky.

Are you insinuating the whole restaurant was in on Robyn's dissappearance? :waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

Are you insinuating the whole restaurant was in on Robyn's dissappearance? :waitasec:

The restaurant appears to be open-air which many are down there and more of a beachy type. This is a remote area so there would be no business after sundown so I imagine they started to close up around 5pm. It is also on the Esso reserve, the refinery is right there. It is not a tourist attraction after dark as all the beach goer's have gone back to their hotels.

My guess is the crew still there were cleaning up the kitchen and getting it ready for the morning crew.

There really is no reason to suspect anyone other than GG. He is the only one whose story looks like Swiss cheese, IMO. To anyone who has never been to the island, there is really no place he could have hidden her that she would not have been found by now. He only had enough time to put her in the water. The big question is where???? jmo

 

[MaryAnn]

The restaurant appears to be open-air which many are down there and more of a beachy type. This is a remote area so there would be no business after sundown so I imagine they started to close up around 5pm. It is also on the Esso reserve, the refinery is right there. It is not a tourist attraction after dark as all the beach goer's have gone back to their hotels.

My guess is the crew still there were cleaning up the kitchen and getting it ready for the morning crew.

There really is no reason to suspect anyone other than GG. He is the only one whose story looks like Swiss cheese, IMO. To anyone who has never been to the island, there is really no place he could have hidden her that she would not have been found by now. He only had enough time to put her in the water. The big question is where???? jmo

I couldn't agree more. Why did GG tell the airline that his companion was taking a later flight? Why did he have to lie at all if he is completely innocent? Why was he rushing to get off the island? GG is the only hinky thing about this case!!

 

[LambChop]

I couldn't agree more. Why did GG tell the airline that his companion was taking a later flight? Why did he have to lie at all if he is completely innocent? Why was he rushing to get off the island? GG is the only hinky thing about this case!!

He has many excuses and some could make sense but the excuses for the discrepancies are too big to ignore. My favorite was on GMA when he said he had to get an earlier flight because the Charlotte airport was closed due to a storm north of the island......what?????? Charlotte is in NC and they would not be closing the airport down because of a storm in Aruba. Plus any flight leaving Aruba to the US eastern coast goes north.

In my mind it sounded as if he had just made it up because he was not thinking logically. If he tells one lie he just is not credible. You can't justify his lying, no way, no how. He brought RG there vacationing on his Marriott points, she disappears and he's sitting on a big fat insurance policy should he claim it. It's that simple. Tell me the average person's hinky meter won't go off even before they hear some of his inconsistencies. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Are you insinuating the whole restaurant was in on Robyn's dissappearance? :waitasec:

LOL! Actually I don't know what I am insinuating--if anything. Just thinking out loud and asking some questions. Seems we can't find RG"s body and so many are sure GG murdered her, what would it hurt to consider GG may have disposed of her body at a "place" rather than the ocean. Thought you would be happy to see me consider GG had a part in it?

Actually I can admit I have my doubt as to what happened, unlike the certainty some have that GG is the murderer. :twocents:

 

[Micheline]

I couldn't agree more. Why did GG tell the airline that his companion was taking a later flight? Why did he have to lie at all if he is completely innocent? Why was he rushing to get off the island? GG is the only hinky thing about this case!!

-bolded by me-

He said on tv, hey she was the ticket agent, as if in that position he did not owe her a full story and did not feel like telling her everything that had taken place. That is his opinion and I do not perceive that as suspicious.


Somehow I think if he had told the ticket agent that Robyn would not be traveling back to the United States, that that would be perceived as even more suspicious, since she was only missing for 2 days, there still being a chance she was found, so how was he so certain she would not be traveling back etc.
Had he told her Robyn was missing maybe the agent would have noticed an inappropriate tone of voice, as if he had hit the lottery etc.

Not trying to be cynical but I think regardless of what Giordano does or says it is looked at with suspicion, even if maybe he just did not feel like opening up to someone. IMO


Seems he did not cancel Robyn's flight btw, or else the ticket agent would not have wondered/asked if Robyn was not traveling with him.

 

[MaryAnn]

-bolded by me-

He said on tv, hey she was the ticket agent, as if in that position he did not owe her a full story and did not feel like telling her everything that had taken place. That is his opinion and I do not perceive that as suspicious.


Somehow I think if he had told the ticket agent that Robyn would not be traveling back to the United States, that that would be perceived as even more suspicious, since she was only missing for 2 days, there still being a chance she was found, so how was he so certain she would not be traveling back etc.
Had he told her Robyn was missing maybe the agent would have noticed an inappropriate tone of voice, as if he had hit the lottery etc.

Not trying to be cynical but I think regardless of what Giordano does or says it is looked at with suspicion, even if maybe he just did not feel like opening up to someone. IMO


Seems he did not cancel Robyn's flight btw, or else the ticket agent would not have wondered/asked if Robyn was not traveling with him.

Your explanation about the ticket agent might be appropriate if he left his cellphone behind, but a human being? Why was he in such a rush to go home? If you went on a trip and your companion went missing would you just up and leave? I would stay as long as I could to help find the person or try and be of help to LE. GG wanted to get on that plane, collect his life ins. money and go on with his life never to think of RG again. I was thinking about my friend who came out for Thanksgiving, I bought her ticket because she is battling breast cancer. I never in a million years thought of life insurance, I got cancellation insurance, but LIFE insurance? I'm sorry, that is about as hinky as you can get!! I know, he was thinking about his Son's!! Doesn't he have regular life insurance? Your regular life insurance doubles if you die in an accident, so if GG had regular life insurance there was no need for this trip life insurance policy. The whole thing stinks to high heaven!

 

[Nova]

I couldn't agree more. Why did GG tell the airline that his companion was taking a later flight? Why did he have to lie at all if he is completely innocent? Why was he rushing to get off the island? GG is the only hinky thing about this case!!

I don't know about the rushing, if that's what he was doing, but I can understand GG not wanting to tell a reservation clerk the whole story about his missing companion. "She's taking a later flight" could have been his way of ducking the issue.

(Just to be clear, I find GG suspicious as hell. But I'm trying to see things from his point of view.)

 

[LambChop]

-bolded by me-

He said on tv, hey she was the ticket agent, as if in that position he did not owe her a full story and did not feel like telling her everything that had taken place. That is his opinion and I do not perceive that as suspicious.


Somehow I think if he had told the ticket agent that Robyn would not be traveling back to the United States, that that would be perceived as even more suspicious, since she was only missing for 2 days, there still being a chance she was found, so how was he so certain she would not be traveling back etc.
Had he told her Robyn was missing maybe the agent would have noticed an inappropriate tone of voice, as if he had hit the lottery etc.

Not trying to be cynical but I think regardless of what Giordano does or says it is looked at with suspicion, even if maybe he just did not feel like opening up to someone. IMO


Seems he did not cancel Robyn's flight btw, or else the ticket agent would not have wondered/asked if Robyn was not traveling with him.

We don't even know that is what he told the agent. We only have his word for it. There was no reason to lie, no justification whatsoever. He claims he was told he was free to go. His name was on the ticket. It's not as if no one knew who he was. Who do you think tipped off LE? Someone had to have made that call that he was leaving on a flight that was leaving within the hour. I'm willing to bet the sweat was pouring off of him before he even got to that first counter.

The reason many people lie is because friends, relatives, coworkers let them get away with it. They enable them to do so. We all do it. But this is not a trival thing. A woman's life was lost and at the very least if this was accidential he owed it to her to tell the truth. By doing what he said he did he makes her out to be an impersonal object....an ooopps, fender bender. She was a human being not an object for him cast off as if her life had no meaning, unless he intentionally intended to do so. That would account for his callous attitude at airport. jmo

 

[MaryAnn]

I don't know about the rushing, if that's what he was doing, but I can understand GG not wanting to tell a reservation clerk the whole story about his missing companion. "She's taking a later flight" could have been his way of ducking the issue.

(Just to be clear, I find GG suspicious as hell. But I'm trying to see things from his point of view.)

I'm trying to put myself in his shoes. If it had been me, I would be telling anyone and everyone in hopes she would be found. I would be so distraught or more like histerical if I had lost a friend on vacation. I wouldn't be trying to catch the first flight back to the US. Nice friend he is isn't he?? I'd be there in Aruba for as long as I possibly could handing out fliers, etc etc. Like Natalee's Mom!!

 

[LambChop]

I don't know about the rushing, if that's what he was doing, but I can understand GG not wanting to tell a reservation clerk the whole story about his missing companion. "She's taking a later flight" could have been his way of ducking the issue.

(Just to be clear, I find GG suspicious as hell. But I'm trying to see things from his point of view.)

Had he not told the lie he may have gotten on that plane. Telling a ticket agent a lie about a high profile case that they were aware of because everyone knew she was missing and they didn't make their scheduled flight. I don't see how the agent could not have known who he was when the ticket had his name on it, along with her name in the computer. My guess is the agent alerted police because they weren't able to catch up with him until he was ready to board the plane. It's not a big airport. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I'm trying to put myself in his shoes. If it had been me, I would be telling anyone and everyone in hopes she would be found. I would be so distraught or more like histerical if I had lost a friend on vacation. I wouldn't be trying to catch the first flight back to the US. Nice friend he is isn't he?? I'd be there in Aruba for as long as I possibly could handing out fliers, etc etc. Like Natalee's Mom!!

And God only knows he had plenty of points for the Marriot.

 

[LambChop]

Maybe GG just has a bad memory. Or maybe it's just his past catching up to him. Myself, I tend to want people to be honest with me so I know what I'm dealing with. I think it is human nature to be suspicious of someone who lies about an important, if not traumatic event in their life. He owed it to her to tell the truth and he could not even do that. That could be because the truth would have a hefty prison sentence with it. jmo