ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[R.U.Kidding!]

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LOL!!! AAHHHHH to be 25 again! :fireworks::sigh:

Regarding our 25 yr.old friend , Benzo, the key with Ambien , I think, is the dosage. Everyone is effected differently. 10 mg on empty stomach might give you a nice high and the ability to meander through the day. Now 20 -25 mg will simply cause amnesia, and if mixed with alcohol could cause your heart to stop. Most people starting out are prescribed 5 to 10 mg.

It would seem the dosage prescribed and amount taken by RG would be the factor in determining her ability to function. Believe it or not some people do like the feeling a low dose of Ambien has on them during their waking hours.

When I took Ambien, mine was for sleep. It did not "knock me out", it just allowed my mind to be cleared of any thoughts, and if I had to get up it made me feel like I was walking with no support from the floor. I was on 10mg.

Many people experiencing functioning through the day, but not remembering that days activities. It can be crushed and placed under the tongue for a quicker high. We will really never know if RG even had Ambien in her system let alone what dosage. I suppose if ALE believes GG drugged her they will have had to research dosage , quantity prescribed, quantity left in bottle, # of days from refill , etc. ....and not sure if that would be enough to know for sure.

 

[neesaki]

Regarding our 25 yr.old friend , Benzo, the key with Ambien , I think, is the dosage. Everyone is effected differently. 10 mg on empty stomach might give you a nice high and the ability to meander through the day. Now 20 -25 mg will simply cause amnesia, and if mixed with alcohol could cause your heart to stop. Most people starting out are prescribed 5 to 10 mg.

It would seem the dosage prescribed and amount taken by RG would be the factor in determining her ability to function. Believe it or not some people do like the feeling a low dose of Ambien has on them during their waking hours.

When I took Ambien, mine was for sleep. It did not "knock me out", it just allowed my mind to be cleared of any thoughts, and if I had to get up it made me feel like I was walking with no support from the floor. I was on 10mg.

Many people experiencing functioning through the day, but not remembering that days activities. It can be crushed and placed under the tongue for a quicker high. We will really never know if RG even had Ambien in her system let alone what dosage. I suppose if ALE believes GG drugged her they will have had to research dosage , quantity prescribed, quantity left in bottle, # of days from refill , etc. ....and not sure if that would be enough to know for sure.

This person, Benzo, must really be a serious user, imo, for him to go into so much detail as to his experience. Seems to look at it as his profession, almost as he's his own "experiment". :crazy: , imo.

It is, however, good to know it doesn't knock everyone out like it does me, lol.

 

[neesaki]

I can not even imagine anyone taking Ambien during the day, though I know it happens. Dangerous, however, imo. Really hope these people don't get behind the wheel when they're doing this stuff.

Whether she was taking Ambien or not, bet Robyn wasn't driving, I bet, GG was.

Also, would be very dangerous and high risk taking behaviour to go "snorkeling" while under the influence of Ambien.

Willing to bet Robyn didn't go "snorkeling" either, jmo.

What's so funny, is that if GG had just said they had gone swimming, it might have been believable. But his "snorkeling" story can never in somewhere close to a 1000 years pass the hinky test for me. JMO

 

[LambChop]

Regarding our 25 yr.old friend , Benzo, the key with Ambien , I think, is the dosage. Everyone is effected differently. 10 mg on empty stomach might give you a nice high and the ability to meander through the day. Now 20 -25 mg will simply cause amnesia, and if mixed with alcohol could cause your heart to stop. Most people starting out are prescribed 5 to 10 mg.

It would seem the dosage prescribed and amount taken by RG would be the factor in determining her ability to function. Believe it or not some people do like the feeling a low dose of Ambien has on them during their waking hours.

When I took Ambien, mine was for sleep. It did not "knock me out", it just allowed my mind to be cleared of any thoughts, and if I had to get up it made me feel like I was walking with no support from the floor. I was on 10mg.

Many people experiencing functioning through the day, but not remembering that days activities. It can be crushed and placed under the tongue for a quicker high. We will really never know if RG even had Ambien in her system let alone what dosage. I suppose if ALE believes GG drugged her they will have had to research dosage , quantity prescribed, quantity left in bottle, # of days from refill , etc. ....and not sure if that would be enough to know for sure.

Well, GG did state she took one earlier that day. I think he expected her body to wash ashore or be found and if so the drug could have shown up. He did not have to say anything to LE because she could have taken it without his knowledge. Had they found her and tested her blood could they have been able to tell she had just taken it? If so, that could have been a concern for him.

I don't see her taking anything either. She was dressed to go out to dinner and something social afterwards. The area where they were staying has a lot to do even if you just want to walk and visit the different stores, there's a Jazz Club, piano bar, movie theater, etc. GG sure doesn't know how to show a girl a good time, that is for sure. jmo

 

[Nova]

The thought has occurred to me, what if Robyn actually did take the sleeping pill herself, maybe she did so because she was so miserable with GG, and was just trying get through until time to return home.

But then, I go back to GG's history of how he exploits and abuses women. And to him going out to the car and refilling a cup, and I think it's more likely that he drugged her drink with her own prescription drug without her knowledge.

One question though, the tablet would have to be crushed up I assume, wonder how quickly it would dissolve. That means he would have to have crushed it ahead of time?

And too, it's likely that GG has had previous experience doing just that in order to take advantage of women so he could take his disgusting photos.

I would love to hear what GG's explanation would be if someone asked him why Robyn took a sleeping pill in the middle of the day.

Actually, I have a lot of questions for GG. I keep visualizing all of us sleuthers getting together and going to his house, walking up to his door, ringing the doorbell, and cornering him with all the questions we want answers to. Now that would really be a trip. :giggle: :websleuther: :websleuther: :websleuther:

I could understand taking an Ambien in the day if you were miserable and wanted to nap for as long as possible. But having taken Ambien as well as valium, xanax and the like, it's really hard for me to imagine using Ambien as a tranquilizer. It's too easy to get scripts for real tranquilizers and, in my experience, taking Ambien without going to bed produces a vaguely uneasy feeling since one has to work to stay awake.

I've read the links above about kids snorting Ambien as an hallucinogenic, but that doesn't make any sense to me for 35-year-old RG either, especially not in the middle of the day.

I wish we knew exactly what GG said on the subject. Has anybody heard if he gave a time for the Ambien usage? I assume ALE asked...

The only thing that might make sense to me is if RG was up all night, finally took an Ambien at 6 a.m., slept for a couple of hours and then got up for the day. That might leave her feeling the effects of the drug (i.e., woozy) at lunch time. Not a common or correct usage of the drug, but it's the only scenario that makes sense to me.

(ETA thank to Sapphire above (and R.U. Kidding for his follow-up) who gave us "Benzo's" account of his experience. Obviously, others have experiences different from mine.)

 

[Nova]

It is interesting too that GG leaves and returns to the restaurant with a cup at 4pm, RG is seen entering the ladies room at 4:07pm and they are leaving at 4:16pm. Somewhere between 4pm and 4:16 the server packed up a meal in a carryout tray (GG is holding it as they leave) and they paid their bill. Why would he have run to the car to get another drink (which he admits) when they were getting ready to leave? It seems like strange behavior for someone who is drinking moderately. With everything else considered it seems suspicious at the very least. jmo

Wow! It sure is suspicious. I didn't realize the time lapse between the trip to the car and leaving the restaurant was so short.

 

[LambChop]

Wow! It sure is suspicious. I didn't realize the time lapse between the trip to the car and leaving the restaurant was so short.

Yes. You know you are ready to leave and you run to the car. Couldn't wait another 5 to 10 minutes??? I believe (and this is from my memory) that GG told LE they had had vodka before leaving the hotel room and RG had taken a sleeping pill. Maybe he was nervous about them finding it in her system if they had found her body right away. jmo

 

[Nova]

Yes. You know you are ready to leave and you run to the car. Couldn't wait another 5 to 10 minutes??? I believe (and this is from my memory) that GG told LE they had had vodka before leaving the hotel room and RG had taken a sleeping pill. Maybe he was nervous about them finding it in her system if they had found her body right away. jmo

Unless it turns out that RG had some sort of strange drug practices, I'm with you. I'd sooner believe that GG was doing some CYA than I'd believe a 35-year-old woman got dressed for the day, went out to lunch where she would be drinking, and also threw down an Ambien for kicks.

Not impossible, of course. But very odd, IMO.

 

[cocomod]

I can tell you that most people taken an Ambien and they are knocked out within minutes. Add alcohol to that?? In the middle of the day?? No way! Sorry, I just do not believe that. We are talking about Robin having the drug history of MJ with an ability to not have the affects of a normal person taking the same drug because of long-term use. I just do not believe it.

 

[vlpate]

I can tell you that most people taken an Ambien and they are knocked out within minutes. Add alcohol to that?? In the middle of the day?? No way! Sorry, I just do not believe that. We are talking about Robin having the drug history of MJ with an ability to not have the affects of a normal person taking the same drug because of long-term use. I just do not believe it.

It's ridiculous - even if one likes the momentary feeling of wooziness, one would not go snorkeling after drinking and taking ambien - unless, of course, suicide was the motivator.

 

[katydid23]

I can not even imagine anyone taking Ambien during the day, though I know it happens. Dangerous, however, imo. Really hope these people don't get behind the wheel when they're doing this stuff.

Whether she was taking Ambien or not, bet Robyn wasn't driving, I bet, GG was.

Also, would be very dangerous and high risk taking behaviour to go "snorkeling" while under the influence of Ambien.

Willing to bet Robyn didn't go "snorkeling" either, jmo.

What's so funny, is that if GG had just said they had gone swimming, it might have been believable. But his "snorkeling" story can never in somewhere close to a 1000 years pass the hinky test for me. JMO

BBM

I agree with you. I might have swallowed the swimming story. It was probably a hot afternoon and she may have been a bit buzzed so I could believe she wanted to go in and cool off.
My daughter also has expensive hair extensions. She would not go snorkeling with them, especially if they were new ones. But she does go in the ocean because we live on the coast. But she piles her hair up on her head and swims without putting her head in the water fully.

So if he had just said 'we went for a swim to cool off and I lost her" ---that would seem more believable. I have done some snorkeling and it needs to happen while the water is receiving sunlight---not near dusk.

 

[mattfz]

About Ambien--

You generally will not get the effects Benzo described previously, unless you are just starting to take regular Ambien (as opposed to the slow release "XR" version). After you have been on it for 1-2 weeks, the effects are subtile. It is recommended that you take it and go right to sleep, with the lights out, in an environment conducive to sleep. If taken during the day when it is not before your regular sleep schedule, its possible it won't do a damn thing.

With the XR version, a lot of people won't feel ANYTHING if taken during the day and you are walking around and active, not making any effort to fall asleep.

Both versions are really meant to be taken short term (2-4 weeks or so) after which they start to lose effectiveness.

Used recreationally, you might get the effects Benzo described. Another thing to mention is that the standard dosage is 10-12.5 mgs. Anything over 20mg or so has no additional effect, as the chemicals in the drug no longer attach to the neurotransmitters in the brain.

BTW, Ambien is categorized as a Hypnotic (Like Lunesta and Sonata), with similar effects as a benzodiazepine but with an entirely different chemical mechanism. Benzos can be shorter acting or longer acting depending on the drug. Some will knock you out and others just take the edge off.

Ambien is out of the system within 6 hours. The longest acting benzo is out of the system in 1-2 weeks, however, the withdrawal symptoms are brutal. I forgot about the particular role of Ambien/benzos in this case, but if Robyn is found deceased the toxicology report will reveal nothing.

 

[neesaki]

I can tell you that most people taken an Ambien and they are knocked out within minutes. Add alcohol to that?? In the middle of the day?? No way! Sorry, I just do not believe that. We are talking about Robin having the drug history of MJ with an ability to not have the affects of a normal person taking the same drug because of long-term use. I just do not believe it.

BBM. I for sure agree with the "knocked out within minutes".

 

[neesaki]

LC, NH and her classmates left their phones in their hotel rooms because their Nextel didn't get a signal on the island. Is this true today, and if so, is it just Nextel, or all providers?

I don't think he would need a date rape drug if he had access to her ambien. If I drank with it, you could throw me over a cliff and I would never know you picked me up. I had two glasses of wine one night before taking an ambien, four days later the ugliest coat you've ever seen arrived in the office from QVC...I totally didn't remember ordering the coat until it arrived, and then the memory was vague. If he gave her more than one, wow, dead to the world, I would imagine. I know LE probably counted the pills and inquired of her roommate or ex-boyfriend, how often she took them.

I know I read this the other day, but I must've been preoccupied at the time. Have to say, this tops my own "ambien experience". This is really a good one :floorlaugh:

 

[mattfz]

BBM. I for sure agree with the "knocked out within minutes".

I think this is true, for the first time user, or maybe the first week. You start to build a tolerance, although not as bad as a benzo. Benzos are worse than heroin. The withdrawal is horrendous. I was prescribed a small amount of Klonopin for work anxiety and ran out of the script, and thought 'oh, I'll be able to make it until I get to the store. After 12 hours, my muscles were completely tight, every bone in my body ached terribly, I had the chills, my heart raced when I tried to sleep, I had insomnia, I was paranoid. I had a muscle spasm and almost fell down a flight of stairs. I didnt know the effects of withdrawal before hand, and apparently they can last for MONTHS unless you taper off the drug.

But back to the case... Was Robyn using Benzos and Ambien regularly? I think I remember references to it from her Facebook page. I got he impression she suffered from an anxiety disorder. I could be totally wrong though.

 

[LambChop]

I think this is true, for the first time user, or maybe the first week. You start to build a tolerance, although not as bad as a benzo. Benzos are worse than heroin. The withdrawal is horrendous. I was prescribed a small amount of Klonopin for work anxiety and ran out of the script, and thought 'oh, I'll be able to make it until I get to the store. After 12 hours, my muscles were completely tight, every bone in my body ached terribly, I had the chills, my heart raced when I tried to sleep, I had insomnia, I was paranoid. I had a muscle spasm and almost fell down a flight of stairs. I didnt know the effects of withdrawal before hand, and apparently they can last for MONTHS unless you taper off the drug.

But back to the case... Was Robyn using Benzos and Ambien regularly? I think I remember references to it from her Facebook page. I got he impression she suffered from an anxiety disorder. I could be totally wrong though.

I'm interested in why he told LE she had pills in her bag but did not know what they were. Is it possible that GG brought pills down with him that would have knocked her out? He does not have a very good reputation so who is to say there weren't two bottles of pills. He could have put one bottle in her bag afterwards with no label and there was one back at the hotel on the night stand which were her sleeping pills. It seems like a strange statement. She has a bottle of pills in her bag but I don't know what they are. jmo

 

[neesaki]

I think this is true, for the first time user, or maybe the first week. You start to build a tolerance, although not as bad as a benzo. Benzos are worse than heroin. The withdrawal is horrendous. I was prescribed a small amount of Klonopin for work anxiety and ran out of the script, and thought 'oh, I'll be able to make it until I get to the store. After 12 hours, my muscles were completely tight, every bone in my body ached terribly, I had the chills, my heart raced when I tried to sleep, I had insomnia, I was paranoid. I had a muscle spasm and almost fell down a flight of stairs. I didnt know the effects of withdrawal before hand, and apparently they can last for MONTHS unless you taper off the drug.

But back to the case... Was Robyn using Benzos and Ambien regularly? I think I remember references to it from her Facebook page. I got he impression she suffered from an anxiety disorder. I could be totally wrong though.

Don't know what kind, if any, of drugs Robyn took.
Are you referring to the "Find Robyn... " FB page, or to Robyn's personal
FB page? If you don't mind me asking, what gave the impression she suffered from an anxiety disorder? TIA

 

[Niner]

Sure wish ALE would release SOME information - and we can get on with our sleuthing!! LOL!

also - mattfz

:welcome4:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I'm interested in why he told LE she had pills in her bag but did not know what they were. Is it possible that GG brought pills down with him that would have knocked her out? He does not have a very good reputation so who is to say there weren't two bottles of pills. He could have put one bottle in her bag afterwards with no label and there was one back at the hotel on the night stand which were her sleeping pills. It seems like a strange statement. She has a bottle of pills in her bag but I don't know what they are. jmo

Me too! Could you direct me to the vid or article that was taken from---maybe in context it will make sense?

 

[LambChop]

Me too! Could you direct me to the vid or article that was taken from---maybe in context it will make sense?

It is a couple of threads back, or you can do a search GMA. We've been talking about it so it should not be too far back. Maybe that link should be put up in the facts and rumors thread so we can find it easily. jmo