ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

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  • #881
About the hair extensions

Just returned from aruba and talked to a lady there with hair extensions
She said she swims every day while in Aruba with her extensions
I assume there may be different kinds of extensions, i don't know for sure
But women do swim in salt water with extensions

There are different types, she may have her extensions sewn in. Robyn's were probably glued or fused. Fusion uses wax and are the most expensive. Either way, glue or wax, one wouldn't get into salt water because it causes the extensions to mat. Even when someone with fused hair washes their hair, they are not supposed to get the bonded area wet.

She would not have gone snorkeling with the expensive extensions - nor would GG with his rug on. He said they had gone swimming as well. Whatever! Chlorine and salt water also damages rugs. They both were on the same page, but he didn't think anyone would notice this seemingly small detail.
 
  • #882
You may not be to happy about the re-do, but admittedly RG's life style and friends are an enigma to you .Her actions aren't something you or I could identify with. Who knows what RG was thinking, or even if she was, God knows you can't understand her going off to Aruba with GG. ........and we still have NO confirmation she took Ambien or one was given to her, but if she did maybe her thought processes were a little compromised.

Sometimes, believe it or not, people "let loose" on vacation and do things they would not ordinarily do, simply because the opportunity arises,,,not to mention some help from a little alcohol. Maybe that is just what happened and there will never be a reasonable explanation.:twocents:

That is very true but in most cases the accounting of what happened from the main witness usually makes sense and is consistent with the facts. Aruban authorities are saying that is not so. What I am trying to say is if hair extensions were that important to her to sit for 6/8 hours to have them put in right before leaving, I don't think she was going snorkeling on her second day there only to have those extension start to come out. RF and her roommate are the ones who doubt she would have gone into the water because of the extensions. It's just another issue that makes little sense. Some inconsistencies you can understand. There are just too many here and this is one of them. jmo
 
  • #883
Something else that just does not sit right. We can see GG walking out with boxed leftovers from their meal. Why would you take them with you if you did not plan on going back to the hotel? GG claims they planned on snorkeling but you can't leave food in a car in Aruba in that hot sun for any length of time. He was gone 2 hours. I don't see him bothering but if RG thought they were going back, and we know she did not eat her salad, she may have asked to have it boxed. If RG was not in on the snorkeling plans I doubt he would have said anything to her. jmo
 
  • #884
That is very true but in most cases the accounting of what happened from the main witness usually makes sense and is consistent with the facts. Aruban authorities are saying that is not so. What I am trying to say is if hair extensions were that important to her to sit for 6/8 hours to have them put in right before leaving, I don't think she was going snorkeling on her second day there only to have those extension start to come out. RF and her roommate are the ones who doubt she would have gone into the water because of the extensions. It's just another issue that makes little sense. Some inconsistencies you can understand. There are just too many here and this is one of them. jmo

I think the main reason she had them put in right BEFORE her Aruban trip was because GG was BSing her about this trip being a 'photoshoot.' We know he told other women this lie, that he was taking them there to take glamorous shots for their portfolio. I think he told RG the same BS. He probably said 'now that you are unemployed, it is the perfect time to build up your portfolio.' She spent money that she could not afford to spend to have her hair done for the photos, imo.
 
  • #885
:laugh::pullhair:

Let me take a stab at answering that, Nova....

Thank you, R.U., that makes perfect sense. I, on the other hand, have never seriously considered even dying my nearly white hair because I know I'd never keep up with the maintenance and light roots wouldn't look "cool" on somebody my age.

So I'm pretty much a fan of low maintenance. But the women in my family bald earlier than the men; being one of the latter, it's easy for me to say extensions are too much trouble.

I certainly think it's a matter of personal choice. I never meant to imply otherwise.
 
  • #886
So does the front of the restaurant face the ocean which would be south, or north? It sounds as if you are saying it faces north. I remember the building but I think it was the clubhouse that I'm thinking of and it was closed at time.

Were you able to get any more information?

I have already answered this but i will say it again
The front of the restaurant faces the parkinglot, NOT the beach, not any beach
The back of the restaurant is not facing baby beach
There is NO information to get
These people do not know anything we don't know and many times, far less
 
  • #887
The front of the restaurant faces the parking lot, NOT the beach, not any beach
The back of the restaurant is not facing baby beach

So, based on maps we've seen in prior posts, the front of the restaurant faces West, hence the back faces East, right?

If you were at the restaurant, which direction would Kia prison be located at? Is it north of Baby Beach or is it near the refinery (Nanki?)? I seem to recall that it was near where GG made up his story about where RG vanished. Only reason I ask is that there was an incident on Monday where another woman may be missing:

http://arubaherald.com/911/1879-police-conduct-search-for-woman-screaming-for-help.html

Police conduct search for woman screaming for help
Tuesday, 03 January 2012 08:23

Monday evening around 8 o'clock KIA prison personnel heard a woman screaming for help. Police found a Chevy Aveo with the key in the ignition, but no sign of the woman. Witnesses heard the screams and what sounded like a few gunshots immediately thereafter. The helicopter was used in the search.

Police did find a man "under the influence" and detained and took him to the precinct since there is an ongoing search and investigation. The woman was not found; the car was confiscated pending investigation.
 
  • #888
So, based on maps we've seen in prior posts, the front of the restaurant faces West, hence the back faces East, right?

If you were at the restaurant, which direction would Kia prison be located at? Is it north of Baby Beach or is it near the refinery (Nanki?)? I seem to recall that it was near where GG made up his story about where RG vanished. Only reason I ask is that there was an incident on Monday where another woman may be missing:

http://arubaherald.com/911/1879-police-conduct-search-for-woman-screaming-for-help.html

Police conduct search for woman screaming for help
Tuesday, 03 January 2012 08:23

Monday evening around 8 o'clock KIA prison personnel heard a woman screaming for help. Police found a Chevy Aveo with the key in the ignition, but no sign of the woman. Witnesses heard the screams and what sounded like a few gunshots immediately thereafter. The helicopter was used in the search.

Police did find a man "under the influence" and detained and took him to the precinct since there is an ongoing search and investigation. The woman was not found; the car was confiscated pending investigation.

The prison is north east of Baby Beach. It is visble as you leave the refinery property on the eastern side.
 
  • #889
:laugh::pullhair:

Let me take a stab at answering that, Nova.

Here is the deal (as I see it). The thought of long, thick hair is a dream of many women. For the young it is mostly those in modeling or those who are involved in an industry that revolves around "looks". For the older women, well hair thins as we get older , especially blonde's for some reason, and extensions are a way to cover that thinning up. Anyone with enough time, money, and vanity can have a head of hair like a goddess.

It's a personal choice that lends itself to those who take great pride in their looks, "high maintenance' gals, if you will. Friends of mine have them and for 5 years I never knew it. That's how good they look. The problem comes in when you have the ones that are bonded to your hair with a "protein " gel. I think those are the ones that may be damaged by "salt water", they are also the most expensive. So if RG had those particular ones, she may have used them as an expense "write-off for her profession , (modeling). Or her girlfriend does it for free.

There are many questions I have about GG's guilt in her disappearance, but I must say, one of the areas I find a problem with is, hair extensions and "salt-water snorkeling". That is curious. Her makeup, dress,shoes, etc can all be explained away, the extensions--not so much. ....but she did know Aruba is an island, (duh, and water sports are a big part of a vacation there, so i have to assume she knew there would be swimming, and getting her hair wet might just happen. soooooo:dunno:

Thanks for the insight, R.U. And I do agree with your take on the "problem" being hair extensions and salt-water snorkeling.

Now if it were me, and I were going to a beach area like that, which I actually do most every year, I do not go in the ocean other than to walk along in the shallow waves. I have done scuba diving, some snorkeling, etc. , over the years, don't need or really want to anymore. Now, I just relax, and enjoy the beach, the sun, that's it. Going into the ocean is too much trouble, for one thing, salt water makes me feel sticky and dirty afterwards, and I don't like that feeling so would rather do without it.

And hair extensions, no way I would ever put myself out for something that is that much trouble. But then, I'm not Robin. She thought, for whatever reason, that they were important. Maybe because she wanted to model. Most women who have their hair dyed also won't go in a swimming pool, so that she had her hair dyed and with hair extensions, it certainly makes sense that she wouldn't want to ruin them, with either chlorinated or salt water.
Which really just backs up the claims of her friend and her boyfriend. JMO :seeya:
 
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  • #891
Updated list on inconsistencies...

GG admits she took the sleeping pill and was drinking. Even if they were both drinking moderately he should have enough sense to know she never should have been in the water. He drove her there and drove her right down to the water's edge. Who in their right mind, who claims to have cared for her, would have allowed her to get into the water. Of course witnesses (more than one) claim she never got in the water, they got in their car and left.....I believe that is a serious inconsistency.
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GG stated that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill earlier in the day and had been drinking. Does that seem consistent with someone you would take snorkeling for their first time ever?
Video: "According to the police report, obtained by ABC News, Giordano told investigators that he and Robyn were drinking Vodka at the Marriott, and Robyn had a bottle of pills in her bag, I do not know what those pills are for".

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/tod...25927#44225927

And it was very late in the afternoon---a very silly time to try and snorkel because the water is too dark because of the angle of the sun.

And the witnesses say they saw them walking on the beach, but never entered the water. Other witnesses saw them drive off without entering the water. Those are also inconsistencies in his story.

Add to it the fact that she was dressed with her make up done, her extensions all curled and done up, and she had been leisurely drinking and eating all afternoon---what makes
her suddenly want to snorkel that day?
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GG said he and Robyn went snorkeling, yet a witness said he never saw them go into the water during the timeline GG gave LE.
GG, according to a source, said Robyn had been drinking and took an ambien that day - then says they were a "sober couple".
The terrain GG pointed out to LE as the entry point of their snorkeling adventure, was too rocky for anyone but God to traverse barefoot
GG said the waters were rough at the time they were snorkeling, this was proved untrue
GG says there is a Dutch tourist guide for Aruba that states one should call their insurance carrier if someone goes missing during their visit - but also says his attorney told him to call. Which is it. It can't be the tourist guide because there's not one containing his referenced directive.
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GG claims they went into the water at a specific location and LE, witnesses are saying no way that happened.
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Funny, too, how they never found any blood on the rocks. She cut her toe on the large rock and no blood, had to go back to where they placed the towels to stop the bleeding and no blood, anywhere, except on the towel. When you cut your toe and it's bleeding, it bleeds alot but there is no sign of blood anywhere on, near or around that area. It was dry, blood was not going anywhere had it been there. Investigators were there within 20 minutes.....so where was the blood??? It's not like GG could ditch the towel as it belongs to the hotel and you are accountable for it. Sounds as if this could be another of T. Stein's "inconsistencies".
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Fact remains that GG gave a statement regarding where they went in. There was no mistake because there were markers on the ground. He pointed out the rock she cut her toe on. All of that was investigated prior to the reenactment. The reenactment was done because the facts did not match his story big time. He is the one who pointed everything out, he is the one who gave his statement if the facts don't match then this is why GG is their primary suspect.
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In this reenactment at the 2:07 point you can see the actor running and he appears wet. Next frame shows GG and he does not appear to be wet at all. Witnesses say his bathing suit was dry. So why would the actor still be wet and GG was already dry?? My guess is another inconsistency. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/robyn-gardners-final-moments-reenacted-aruba-14562389
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GG tells RG's mother that he got his sneakers wet while searching for her daughter. He claims he was snorkeling with his shoes on so why would he say he "got is sneakers wet" when they were supposed to already be wet from snorkeling????

GG telling the agent RG was going to take another flight??

ML, GG's first attorney will not confirm or deny any statements GG has made only stating that ML is ethically bound, as any defense attorney, not to discuss his case without permission. What ML did say was that GG knows what we discussed. GG can give his attorney permission to back up his story which he obviously has not done.

RG was not physically prepared to go snorkeling. We see her enter the bathroom and return and she has not changed into her bathing suit. Where they were suppose to be snorkeling was only 100 yards from the restaurant where she could have changed and she did not do so. She was there the day before so she was quite aware there was no place to change on the beach.

GG had to wear sneakers (he admits) into the water but claims RG went in barefoot even after severely cutting her toe enough to leave blood on a towel.

She appears to be wearing one dress for two days and yet her dress was found tossed over onto the rocks quite a distance from the towels. The car was right there so why wouldn't she put it in the car rather than risk it being torn by the jagged rocks??? And where were her shoes???? If they were in the car why wouldn't her dress be in there also?
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the fact GG stated RG was planning on having her hair extensions re-done when she returned home; her friend and hairdresser refuted this saying she just had them done and there was no plan to do them any time soon (paraphrased).
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As for GG laying down the towels it appears they were on part of the road area. Not the best to sit or lie down on to get a tan (another inconsistency I'm guessing).
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Another inconsistency, is GG claiming on GMA that his attorney was the one who told him to call the insurance company and report her missing. So he would lead us to believe he contacted the attorney to get advice about the insurance company which would have cost him a couple of dollars. JB then interrupts GG and claims that ML wanted GG to sign an agreement for 1/3 of the insurance money. The fee for a personal injury lawsuit is 1/3 of monies you receive as a settlement. So who was suing GG, or was it who GG feared might be suing him for that money. GG was clearly the beneficiary in the policy and certainly didn't have to ask an attorney for advice on whether or not to call the insurance company. He could call the insurance company and get that advice for free. Also, GG claims he has always purchased insurance when traveling and it appears he has traveled quite a bit so I would think he had read his policy and would already know that detail.

Then you have the media reporting that GG told ML he was no longer permitted to speak to the media which leads us to believe ML was relaying information that may have conflicted with what he had told LE or others. ML now claims after GG's interview with GMA that he can't speak because of the attorney/client privilege other than to say that GG knows what we discussed.

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inconsistencies. Such as JB claiming on national TV that GG didn't need 1.5 million dollars. Ha! He's so clueless he doesn't even know how ridiculous he sounds.

Suspect in Aruba claimed money woes

"A January filing says that when his child support was set in 2009, Mr. Giordano’s monthly income in 2009 was $4,827 — or about $58,000 annually. At that time, he was paying $616 per month.
“Since that order, there has been a material change in circumstances,” the court filing says.
It asks a judge to reconsider the child-support amount Mr. Giordano paid based on 2010 financial records that indicated his earnings were “significantly lower than the figure used for calculating support at the last hearing.” BBM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...disqus_thread6

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Another inconsistency is he claimed it was in her bag but they found her bottle in their room on the nightstand. So did he put the pills in her bag and she removed them and put them back on the nightstand before leaving the hotel room that day? Did he want them to find the pills in her bag so LE would think she had just taken one? I can't imagine why she would even consider putting the pills in her bag to carry around with her during the day when there could be a chance you could lose them. You would think she would want to keep them in her room available to take before going to bed.

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And it also brings up the question, if she had taken it earlier and was observed as being woosie prior to leaving the restaurant how would she have ever lasted in the water for 1 1/2 hours???
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if hair extensions were that important to her to sit for 6/8 hours to have them put in right before leaving, I don't think she was going snorkeling on her second day there only to have those extension start to come out. RF and her roommate are the ones who doubt she would have gone into the water because of the extensions. It's just another issue that makes little sense. Some inconsistencies you can understand. There are just too many here and this is one of them.
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Something else that just does not sit right. We can see GG walking out with boxed leftovers from their meal. Why would you take them with you if you did not plan on going back to the hotel? GG claims they planned on snorkeling but you can't leave food in a car in Aruba in that hot sun for any length of time. He was gone 2 hours. I don't see him bothering but if RG thought they were going back, and we know she did not eat her salad, she may have asked to have it boxed. If RG was not in on the snorkeling plans I doubt he would have said anything to her.
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  • #893
Did I hear this correctly? The attorney, ML states here that when they asked LE if GG could leave the island, they "didn't answer".

While GG all along has claimed he was told he was free to leave.

Just one more lie added to an already very long list. JMO

I don't recall hearing that
Will have to listen again
I heard ML say he asked "Justice" if he could leave
 
  • #894
According to the reporter, ML said officals told him he could leave
On the last day ML says, he asked justce and they did not reply
It seems from the video, he asked and was told yes, asked again the last day and received no reply
 
  • #895
-bolded by me-
So does the front of the restaurant face the ocean which would be south, or north? It sounds as if you are saying it faces north. I remember the building but I think it was the clubhouse that I'm thinking of and it was closed at time.

Were you able to get any more information?

It faces North-East, the inland direction.
 
  • #896
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It faces North-East, the inland direction.

So there is no view of the ocean. It makes you wonder why GG found this bar so interesting to visit two days with no view of the ocean, just a side view of Baby Beach at best. Gas prices were $5.26 in August in Aruba so two trips would have cost him about $20.00 in the RAV4. They seemed to be trying to save money with the room, liquor, going to free beach parties so it seems strange for him to have gone to a place less inviting than where they was staying, which would have cost him practically nothing in gas. I don't know, it just does not make much sense.

Once there at Baby Beach and given a choice of the two locations to go into the water I would think RG would have chosen to go in on the Baby Beach side. There is a nice sandy beach there and it would have been shallow enough for her to see in the water without putting her head completely into the water. jmo
 
  • #897
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So there is no view of the ocean.

No and that is interesting since the front was where people would be seated and would be able to see Giordano and Robyn walk away towards the sea and/or to the car (even if the car was parked in front of JADS then people sitting at the RumReef terrace would still be able to see them (see pic 2), same for drinking from the trunk, same for them driving away or driving erratically etc. that would be different had the car been parked at the back of the restaurant.

Some pics:


Here you can see the buildings lined up:

jads100.jpg


Here you can see on the right bottom JADS (blue) and a part of the RumReef (palapas) :

jadsrrbabybeach.jpg


Btw I have come across articles from early on in the case that mention people who have seen them on Baby Beach and then saw them walking to the other direction, cross down towards Nanki.


It makes you wonder why GG found this bar so interesting to visit two days with no view of the ocean, just a side view of Baby Beach at best. Gas prices were $5.26 in August in Aruba so two trips would have cost him about $20.00 in the RAV4. They seemed to be trying to save money with the room, liquor, going to free beach parties so it seems strange for him to have gone to a place less inviting than where they was staying, which would have cost him practically nothing in gas. I don't know, it just does not make much sense.

I think below would be the view:

rumreefparking-1.jpg
 
  • #898
I thought it was reported that GG had parked in the back of the restaurant, not that it matters?

The second picture is a good picture showing the channel where the snorkelers go. It is top mid way running all the way to the left. You can see the breaker which protects that area. I remember standing on the beach watching them.

In order to get to the peninsula they had to go from the back of the restaurant or head out the way they came in because there is no way to get there from Baby Beach.

And as you can see from the picture there is no view of the ocean so another question would be what was the draw to this area two days in a row when according to GG they never went into the water in the cove area. jmo
 
  • #899
it was reported as the back of the restaurant but as you can see from the video, it was at the front, at least while they had lunch so people would be able to see them coming and leaving
 
  • #900
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/robyn-gardners-final-moments-reenacted-aruba-14562389

This is a video from the reenactment but it looks to me as if the RAV4 is parked behind the restaurant. I know the video the day before was taken from the back. It's hard to tell because the buildings are so long. It is hard to believe he would park in the back because it looks like it would be a long walk.

I just find it hard to believe they would drive all that way two days in a row to eat at a place that is quite unremarkable and no view. Then there is this beautiful area to go into the water with the snorkel channel on the other side and he picks the rocky peninsula to go into the water. It just makes no sense. jmo
 
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