ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[Saracen]

GG claims they went right into the water while numerous witnesses say they did not. One fishman was on land, the other was in a boat and both agree GG and RG left without going into the water. LE reports there were a few witnesses who all claim the same thing. That means GG was not telling the truth and whatever he stated happened is suspect. jmo

Either not telling the truth or no witnesses have come forward to back up his story..

 

[Micheline]

A witness

A witness has come forward and said he saw them in the area and they left without going into the water and he says he never saw them again that day

I expect the only way to prove they did go in the water would be another witness who could dispute the fishermans story

Could that witness be referring to events of the day before?

 

[Dushi]

Could that witness be referring to events of the day before?

That never entered my mind, but i do believe it is possible

Being in the same place, the same time and wearing the same dress could be confusing to a witness

 

[katydid23]

Could that witness be referring to events of the day before?

It depends upon WHEN they were questioned. If it were that evening or the day after, then I doubt it would be that easy to mix up the days.

 

[LambChop]

That never entered my mind, but i do believe it is possible

We don't know if they went out on the jetty the day before. We just see the video of them with the back camera walking and then we see the car driving off. Also the witnesses gave statements regarding GG's appearance. Mr. Silva even talks about GG sitting on the rock, so clearly it was the same day for him. I don't think all the witnesses were wrong on the day. Mr. Silva also stated that a number of people were looking at the water trying to see if they could see someone swimming so that was that day.

Plus no one knew they were there the previous day until LE reviewed the video which I think they were already suspicious. You have to wonder when the witnesses said GG was mumbling as if he were drunk, how did he suddenly become drunk, or was it that he was messing up on his answers and did not want them to question him anymore that night. Whatever happened he showed up with an attorney the next morning so something did not set right for him. jmo

 

[LambChop]

RED FLAGS - What LE may have viewed as inconsistencies and facts as we know them. You have to wonder why they let him go???

GG claims they had been drinking vodka before leaving the hotel. RG had taken a sleeping pill. (LE – then brings RG snorkeling?)

GG told LE that RG had a bottle of pills in her purse but did not know what they were for. (LE – later finds bottle of sleeping pills on the nightstand.)

GG claims they went right into the water (late 4pm – 6pm period) – (LE – very late in the day to see much in 10 foot of water. Witnesses claim they did not go into the water but left in their car.)

When they came out of the water the first time , RG cut her toe on a rock trying to get into the water the second time and used the towel to stop the bleeding. (LE – no blood on the rock, nor visible anywhere except on the towel).

GG claimed they went into the water in a very rocky location. (LE – do they feel RG would have been able to get into the water without difficulty because of the rocks?)

GG had to wear sneakers into the water, according to GG RG went into the water barefoot. (LE – RG cut her foot but went in again?)

GG tells RG's mother that he got his sneakers wet searching for her daughter???

GG admits to drinking but says they were sober. (LE – has to wonder than how did he get so drunk between the time he was supposed to have been in the water and at the time they tried to question him?)

GG is asked if they were drinking at the bar. GG claims they did not order any drinks. (LE – They brought their drinks in with them. But did GG tell LE this?)

In video RG appears to be dressed to go out to dinner, makeup, hair down, etc. but GG said they had planned on going snorkeling. (LE – looking at the video LE has to wonder that she never changed into a suit even though she visited the bathroom twice?)

GG first claims the waters were getting rough, he signaled to RG by grabbing/tapping her foot to go back. (LE – confronted him with the weather report which stated the sea was very calm that day, mild currents.)

GG changes his story to his sneakers were weighing him down. (LE – note that he went into the water twice with sneakers and at 6pm he suddenly realizes his shoes are pulling him down from the weight??)

GG claims to have been swimming for a period of time in 10 foot of water. (LE – GG shows up on the video with his suit looking dry and his hair perfectly groomed. Actor reenactment you could see actor looked as if he had been swimming.)

Witnesses noticed a scratch only to be described as looking like a fingernail scratch on GG's neck/chin area. (LE – when asked if he had an argument with RG, GG responds he loved her and would not kill her.)

GG lying to ticket agent because he felt it was none of her business. (kind of speaks for itself)

RG's dress found thrown on the rocks a distance from the towels. (LE found this unusual. RG appears to have been a person who took time and care in her personal appearance and risking her favorite dress getting damaged does not seem logical when the car was right there??)

GG claims they were sunbathing in between going into the water. (LE – very late in the day, sun is low in the sky plus area is not great for sitting to sunbath.)

GG claims RG was going to get her extensions put in when she returned. (LE – statement from roommate said she had just done the extensions prior to leaving for Aruba and RG would have never exposed them to the seawater because of the expense and time involved.)

GG said when he left the restaurant it was to fill the cup and have a cigarette. (LE – at 3:57pm we see GG leaving with the cup. At 4pm he returns holding the cup up as if it contains liquid. They leave at approximately 4:13pm. GG is carrying a leftover's box and his cup, while RG is carrying her cup up as if she still has liquid in her cup.)

GG told LE he parked in front of the building. (LE – can see by the video that he parked in back which appears to be the side of the building.)

GG claims when confronted about the video that he parked on the side because of the shade. (LE – could be true if he had ice in the car.)

GG claims the car was out on the jetty in full sun for about 2 hours. (LE – GG brought out a leftover's box, parked in the shade while in the restaurant for less than ½ hour but leaves food in the car for over 2 hours in the heat and setting sun? Certainly no concerns about the shade now.)

Did RG insist on the box with the server because she expected to go back to the hotel and not snorkeling?? I would think/hope LE would have asked that question???

 

[Dushi]

We don't know if they went out on the jetty the day before. We just see the video of them with the back camera walking and then we see the car driving off. Also the witnesses gave statements regarding GG's appearance. Mr. Silva even talks about GG sitting on the rock, so clearly it was the same day for him. I don't think all the witnesses were wrong on the day. Mr. Silva also stated that a number of people were looking at the water trying to see if they could see someone swimming so that was that day.

Plus no one knew they were there the previous day until LE reviewed the video which I think they were already suspicious. You have to wonder when the witnesses said GG was mumbling as if he were drunk, how did he suddenly become drunk, or was it that he was messing up on his answers and did not want them to question him anymore that night. Whatever happened he showed up with an attorney the next morning so something did not set right for him. jmo

Surveillance video from the restaurant shows Giordano in his rental car parked in the back of the bar and restaurant twice, which he told police was so that he could park in the shade, according to the police source. No one else is visible through the car's tinted windows.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/...2#.TwzwQ6XlOd0



MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, here is how that can go down. First of all, the way that ABC describes all the cameras is not possible because we walked around the place. There are six cameras at the front of the facility. There are none at the back of this facility. So you can`t see what`s going on behind the restaurant.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html



This is why things are so confusing
Two different stories from two reporters

I guess you have to choose which one to believe

 

[Dushi]

One fisherman says they left the beach and he never saw them again that day

One fisherman says he saw Gary at the end if the day and he was drunk

Two fishermen?
Two different days?

 

[neesaki]

Surveillance video from the restaurant shows Giordano in his rental car parked in the back of the bar and restaurant twice, which he told police was so that he could park in the shade, according to the police source. No one else is visible through the car's tinted windows.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/...2#.TwzwQ6XlOd0



MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, here is how that can go down. First of all, the way that ABC describes all the cameras is not possible because we walked around the place. There are six cameras at the front of the facility. There are none at the back of this facility. So you can`t see what`s going on behind the restaurant.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../17/ng.01.html



This is why things are so confusing
Two different stories from two reporters

I guess you have to choose which one to believe

Their reports are confusing. Maybe the cameras from the front of the building wrap around the corner and show the end of the building but not the back of the building. And they keep calling the end of the building the back, but it's really not the back, it's the end, which is where the car was parked (I think?) Does that make any sense at all? :waitasec:

 

[Dushi]

Their reports are confusing. Maybe the cameras from the front of the building wrap around the corner and show the end of the building but not the back of the building. And they keep calling the end of the building the back, but it's really not the back, it's the end, which is where the car was parked (I think?) Does that make any sense at all? :waitasec:

LOL, yes, it makes sense
I think we need to realize we can't take things literally
The reports are often wrong, a detail or two incorrect:crazy:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

LOL, yes, it makes sense
I think we need to realize we can't take things literally
The reports are often wrong, a detail or two incorrect:crazy:

I think this statement pretty much says it ALL! I am with you, Dushi, have felt this way for a very long time. Maybe the Holly Bobo and Morgan Harrington case have the right idea after all--limit the amount of coverage by the media.

 

[Niner]

LambChop just wanted to let you know I have saved your Red Flags that you listed above in a word document - just in case we go to another thread and I can re-post these and the inconsistencies I have saved!! :seeya:

 

[LambChop]

One fisherman says they left the beach and he never saw them again that day

One fisherman says he saw Gary at the end if the day and he was drunk

Two fishermen?
Two different days?

There were three fishermen according to reports. One who LE interviewed right away who said he saw them leave and did not see them the rest of the day; Mr. Silva who claims he saw them leave and later GG appeared drunk while sitting on the rock, and the fisherman who was on the boat that LE referred to and who stated they never did go into the water but left. We have heard Mr. Silva's interview so I hardly think all three were wrong or had the wrong day.

While drownings happen in Aruba they are not an everyday occurrence so I think people would remember whether they were all looking for RG the same day as they saw them leave the area. This is a big inconsistency in GG's story and while it is not 100% proof, because let's face it people do get distracted, but the fact that more than one person is saying they saw them leave on the same day they were searching for RG is significant in LE's reason for arresting him, IMO. And we really do not know how many witnesses there are that gave statements GG and RG were seen leaving the area in their car that day. jmo

 

[LambChop]

LambChop just wanted to let you know I have saved your Red Flags that you listed above in a word document - just in case we go to another thread and I can re-post these and the inconsistencies I have saved!! :seeya:

Thanks. Mine are just red flags while your list also gives us theories which is good so we can look back on later should this develop into something down the road. I typed the original in doc form so I have it too.

Another thing I hope someone would look into is the insurance issue because GG made such a big deal about the reason he was buying the travel insurance policy was just in case he "disappears" on a trip and is "presumed dead" his boys will protected. Wonder if he has taken out a regular large life insurance policy on himself with his boys as beneficiaries....or is this just something he does when he travels only??? jmo

 

[katydid23]

I also want to know if his version of the insurance policy is true. When he says that he couldn't uncheck the box and he was FORCED to buy a policy for her. I have never seen that happen. Has anyone else experienced that? He made it sound like it was online but later sounds like he was on the phone with someone. So it is confusing,

 

[Dushi]

There were three fishermen according to reports. One who LE interviewed right away who said he saw them leave and did not see them the rest of the day; Mr. Silva who claims he saw them leave and later GG appeared drunk while sitting on the rock, and the fisherman who was on the boat that LE referred to and who stated they never did go into the water but left. We have heard Mr. Silva's interview so I hardly think all three were wrong or had the wrong day.

While drownings happen in Aruba they are not an everyday occurrence so I think people would remember whether they were all looking for RG the same day as they saw them leave the area. This is a big inconsistency in GG's story and while it is not 100% proof, because let's face it people do get distracted, but the fact that more than one person is saying they saw them leave on the same day they were searching for RG is significant in LE's reason for arresting him, IMO. And we really do not know how many witnesses there are that gave statements GG and RG were seen leaving the area in their car that day. jmo

OK, three fishermen
You would think with all of those people around, Gary would not have told the story that he did
If they saw him, I am guessing he saw them
And really, who knows how many others witnessed something

I guess one thing is perfectly clear, its not all that cut and dried or Mr Giordano would be facing Charges , not living in the US

 

[LambChop]

OK, three fishermen
You would think with all of those people around, Gary would not have told the story that he did
If they saw him, I am guessing he saw them
And really, who knows how many others witnessed something

I guess one thing is perfectly clear, its not all that cut and dried or Mr Giordano would be facing Charges , not living in the US

With all the Red Flags I think the only thing that is truly clear is why Aruba still considers GG a suspect.

Plus the preponderance of guilt is much higher than in the US. jmo

 

[Nova]

There were three fishermen according to reports. One who LE interviewed right away who said he saw them leave and did not see them the rest of the day; Mr. Silva who claims he saw them leave and later GG appeared drunk while sitting on the rock, and the fisherman who was on the boat that LE referred to and who stated they never did go into the water but left. We have heard Mr. Silva's interview so I hardly think all three were wrong or had the wrong day.

While drownings happen in Aruba they are not an everyday occurrence so I think people would remember whether they were all looking for RG the same day as they saw them leave the area. This is a big inconsistency in GG's story and while it is not 100% proof, because let's face it people do get distracted, but the fact that more than one person is saying they saw them leave on the same day they were searching for RG is significant in LE's reason for arresting him, IMO. And we really do not know how many witnesses there are that gave statements GG and RG were seen leaving the area in their car that day. jmo

With three witnesses saying the couple did not go into the water, I don't understand why Aruban LE didn't have enough evidence to hold GG.

Of course, it's hard to prove a negative and all the witnesses can really say is that they didn't SEE RG and GG enter the water. Actually proving they never went it would require a witness who did nothing but watch them...

 

[LambChop]

With three witnesses saying the couple did not go into the water, I don't understand why Aruban LE didn't have enough evidence to hold GG.

Of course, it's hard to prove a negative and all the witnesses can really say is that they didn't SEE RG and GG enter the water. Actually proving they never went it would require a witness who did nothing but watch them...

Correct. There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward to say they did not go into the water at any time just that a few of the witnesses saw them leave in their car. GG's story is that they did not leave.

This case is much the same as with JVS. They had enough to hold Joran for the legal limit but did not feel there was enough to charge him. I think the big issue with JVS is what do we charge him with???? Was it an accident, which was the rumor the first week going around the island, or did he actually kill her? In the US they would just put him on trial and let the jury decide. Aruba is different.

In Aruba I believe they need proof he actually tried to kill RG not just that they suspect he tried to kill her and that is a big difference in our two systems. There was enough evidence to hold him almost four months so there was something significant or they would have let him go sooner. One judge made the decision to let GG go and it could have been for political reasons, we may never know for sure. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Correct. There are no witnesses that we know of who have come forward to say they did not go into the water at any time just that a few of the witnesses saw them leave in their car. GG's story is that they did not leave.

This case is much the same as with JVS. They had enough to hold Joran for the legal limit but did not feel there was enough to charge him. I think the big issue with JVS is what do we charge him with???? Was it an accident, which was the rumor the first week going around the island, or did he actually kill her? In the US they would just put him on trial and let the jury decide. Aruba is different.

In Aruba I believe they need proof he actually tried to kill RG not just that they suspect he tried to kill her and that is a big difference in our two systems. There was enough evidence to hold him almost four months so there was something significant or they would have let him go sooner. One judge made the decision to let GG go and it could have been for political reasons, we may never know for sure. jmo

I may be wrong here but i think solid evidence may be important