ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[LambChop]

I may be wrong here but i think solid evidence may be important

As Nova pointed out with those many witnesses to disprove his story, that is pretty solid. In the US there would be enough solid evidence. If there was indeed a crime, it did not happen on US soil so it is a whole different ball game. On one of the earlier GMA videos the reporter stated Aruba requires more evidence than we would here in the US. The burden of guilt has much higher standard in Aruba. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

With three witnesses saying the couple did not go into the water, I don't understand why Aruban LE didn't have enough evidence to hold GG.

Of course, it's hard to prove a negative and all the witnesses can really say is that they didn't SEE RG and GG enter the water. Actually proving they never went it would require a witness who did nothing but watch them...

As Nova pointed out with those many witnesses to disprove his story, that is pretty solid. In the US there would be enough solid evidence. If there was indeed a crime, it did not happen on US soil so it is a whole different ball game. On one of the earlier GMA videos the reporter stated Aruba requires more evidence than we would here in the US. The burden of guilt has much higher standard in Aruba. jmo

I may be wrong, but I think Nova was saying" if" those 3 witness statements were " solid evidence" then why was it not enough to charge him.

I took that to mean those 3 statements "were not solid evidence".

Also I think "solid" evidence would be more along the line of 3 witnesses actually "seeing" GG commit the murder. I find it hard to believe a fisherman on his boat, and one on the beach even knew "who" they were looking at, let alone being the "solid" evidence needed to charge GG. Just sayin!

 

[LambChop]

I may be wrong, but I think Nova was saying" if" those 3 witness statements were " solid evidence" then why was it not enough to charge him.

I took that to mean those 3 statements "were not solid evidence".

Also I think "solid" evidence would be more along the line of 3 witnesses actually "seeing" GG commit the murder. I find it hard to believe a fisherman on his boat, and one on the beach even knew "who" they were looking at, let alone being the "solid" evidence needed to charge GG. Just sayin!

Obviously the difference is in the countries and how they view solid evidence. Also the judge made that determination. Had GG had another judge that day he may have been held over. T. Stein seemed to think there was enough evidence to keep him and that is why they are appealing. Evidently the judge wanted GG released and sent home to the US. Can you blame him??? I still think about T. Stein's comment of GG being "a mean b*****d". Not sure what the photographs GG took of RG showed but apparently he felt it was abusive. He did not say "sick" he said "mean". jmo

 

[neesaki]

I may be wrong, but I think Nova was saying" if" those 3 witness statements were " solid evidence" then why was it not enough to charge him.

I took that to mean those 3 statements "were not solid evidence".

Also I think "solid" evidence would be more along the line of 3 witnesses actually "seeing" GG commit the murder. I find it hard to believe a fisherman on his boat, and one on the beach even knew "who" they were looking at, let alone being the "solid" evidence needed to charge GG. Just sayin!

That sounds like a valid point, if the fisherman witnesses were not close enough to actually see their faces, but only identified them by the car, Robyn's long blonde hair, GG's dark brown hair (ahem, toupee, ), etc.

I mean, you have to be quite close to someone to see their face and recognize it. Unless the fishermen were using binoculars, which I kind of doubt. So this may well be one of the problems as far as "solid" evidence.

 

[neesaki]

Obviously the difference is in the countries and how they view solid evidence. Also the judge made that determination. Had GG had another judge that day he may have been held over. T. Stein seemed to think there was enough evidence to keep him and that is why they are appealing. Evidently the judge wanted GG released and sent home to the US. Can you blame him??? I still think about T. Stein's comment of GG being "a mean b*****d". Not sure what the photographs GG took of RG showed but apparently he felt it was abusive. He did not say "sick" he said "mean". jmo

I'm sure GG's callous and unconcerned attitude for Robyn was quite obvious to LE as well. LE and those helping search were probably more concerned than GG was about Robyn's well being. That mean b****** just tried to hightail it out of the country the first chance he got. jmo

 

[LambChop]

It's very clear that Aruba does require more evidence than other countries given the fact that they let JVS go and have never charged him with NH's death to this day. Even though there was a confession caught on tape. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Tourism is one of Aruba's biggest incomes. IMO a major fear from the Arubans would be the type of trial that took place in Florida with JB as GG attorney. Is it any wonder they sent GG home????? They're done with him for sure. I think the judge made an economic decision on this one and it has nothing to do with the evidence. jmo

 

[Micheline]

As Nova pointed out with those many witnesses to disprove his story, that is pretty solid. In the US there would be enough solid evidence. If there was indeed a crime, it did not happen on US soil so it is a whole different ball game. On one of the earlier GMA videos the reporter stated Aruba requires more evidence than we would here in the US. The burden of guilt has much higher standard in Aruba. jmo

-bolded by me-

James Hogan went missing in Curacao, his wife is going to be prosecuted in the USA:

Florida Woman Charged with Witness Tampering, False Statements, and Obstruction of Justice in Relation to Her Husband’s Disappearance
U.S. Department of Justice
August 24, 2011

Office of Public Affairs
(202) 514-2007/TDD (202) 514-1888
WASHINGTON—A Gainesville, Florida woman was charged in a seven-count indictment filed yesterday in the Northern District of Florida for her alleged role in the obstruction of a multi-national investigation into the disappearance of her husband, James Hogan, then an employee in the U.S. Consulate in Curacao, announced Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer of the Criminal Division; U.S. Attorney Pamela Cothran Marsh for the Northern District of Florida; Ambassador Eric J. Boswell of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security; and John V. Gillies, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Miami Field Office.

http://www.fbi.gov/miami/press-rele...ice-in-relation-to-her-husbands-disappearance

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Tourism is one of Aruba's biggest incomes. IMO a major fear from the Arubans would be the type of trial that took place in Florida with JB as GG attorney. Is it any wonder they sent GG home????? They're done with him for sure. I think the judge made an economic decision on this one and it has nothing to do with the evidence. jmo

Wait a minute--why have we been pointing out all the "inconsistencies " in GG's statements, wasn't that to uncover "solid " evidence in hopes of charging GG? Many here feel he is guilty. Now Aruba wants to wash their hands of GG"s because of the bad publicity for their tourist trade? What just happened ? Aruba doesn't care if he is or isn't guilty , just get him off their island. :waitasec:

Obviously the difference is in the countries and how they view solid evidence. Also the judge made that determination. Had GG had another judge that day he may have been held over. T. Stein seemed to think there was enough evidence to keep him and that is why they are appealing. Evidently the judge wanted GG released and sent home to the US. Can you blame him??? I still think about T. Stein's comment of GG being "a mean b*****d". Not sure what the photographs GG took of RG showed but apparently he felt it was abusive. He did not say "sick" he said "mean". jmo

 

[Levi]

Richard Forrester, the boyfriend of Robyn Gardner is on the show tonight at 9 PM ET.

Here is the link to listen: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2012/01/17/levi-page-show

 

[Dushi]

Now i am not an American so correct me if I am wrong

But it seems to me given the "evidence" , he would not have spent more than forty eight hours in jail in the US?

 

[Dushi]

Tourism is one of Aruba's biggest incomes. IMO a major fear from the Arubans would be the type of trial that took place in Florida with JB as GG attorney. Is it any wonder they sent GG home????? They're done with him for sure. I think the judge made an economic decision on this one and it has nothing to do with the evidence. jmo

NO!!! I do not buy that
The judge ruled based on NO EVIDENCE to charge IMO

OMG, that is so typical

 

[Dushi]

Richard Forrester, the boyfriend of Robyn Gardner is on the show tonight at 9 PM ET.

Here is the link to listen: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/levipage/2012/01/17/levi-page-show

JMO but RF wasn't there so he is basing everything on opinion
And he is so angry

You know, she lied to him and well....

 

[Dushi]

Tourism is one of Aruba's biggest incomes. IMO a major fear from the Arubans would be the type of trial that took place in Florida with JB as GG attorney. Is it any wonder they sent GG home????? They're done with him for sure. I think the judge made an economic decision on this one and it has nothing to do with the evidence. jmo

So Lambchop

Are you saying your opinion about Aruba is that they would rather ignore this than persue a criminal?
That its better for this to go away than bring justice?

 

[LambChop]

Wait a minute--why have we been pointing out all the "inconsistencies " in GG's statements, wasn't that to uncover "solid " evidence in hopes of charging GG? Many here feel he is guilty. Now Aruba wants to wash their hands of GG"s because of the bad publicity for their tourist trade? What just happened ? Aruba doesn't care if he is or isn't guilty , just get him off their island. :waitasec:

That was my opinion only as I stated and not a fact. The thread is "pointing out" the inconsistencies that we are aware of and discussing them.....nothing more, nothing less. jmo

 

[Dushi]

That was my opinion only as I stated and not a fact. The thread is "pointing out" the inconsistencies that we are aware of and discussing them.....nothing more, nothing less. jmo

LOL I just find this hilarious

Pointing out that Arubas justice system may be corrupt, IYO , rather than admit we have no information

You know, that worked before...............
JMO

 

[LambChop]

Now i am not an American so correct me if I am wrong

But it seems to me given the "evidence" , he would not have spent more than forty eight hours in jail in the US?

In the US he would have been arrested and bonded out. Judge would post his bond, he pays it and out he goes until the trial. If there is no bail they stay in jail. jmo

 

[Dushi]

In the US he would have been arrested and bonded out. Judge would post his bond, he pays it and out he goes until the trial. If there is no bail they stay in jail. jmo

OK

And would a prosecutor have brought it to trail without solid evidence?

You know, sometimes its as simple as that... no solid evidence

And in this case, no matter what you may think, there isn"t any

We see what we have been shown
You do not know what LE knows, and in my opinion, they know they have nothing to base charges on

This isn't based on politics
this isn't based on powerful people
This is based on no solid evidence to bring charges

 

[LambChop]

So Lambchop

Are you saying your opinion about Aruba is that they would rather ignore this than persue a criminal?
That its better for this to go away than bring justice?

No, that is not what I'm saying. If this were any determining factor it was a educated decision on the judge's part. T. Stein feels there is enough evidence to try him and has appealed. GG is still a suspect. The judge did not say GG will NEVER be charged only that they are not charging him at this time. In the meantime the FBI is conducting an investigation here in the US. We have no idea, none, nada, zip what was discussed between the FBI and the Aruban authorities.

I don't see them letting GG go home as a wrong move. I think it is brillant. They can still bring him back if once the appeal is heard but in the meantime a group of women are able to sleep tonight not having to worry if this man is standing outside their bedroom window stalking them (which he has been accused of in the past).

GG is not Aruba's problem, he's ours. With all the complaints about him and his abuse he should have been arrested a long time ago and maybe we might not be having this discussion right now.

Let me say this. While I was in Aruba I was a victum of a crime. My condo was broken into and they stole my cell phone and some of my friends jewelry. I was very impressed with LE because they dusted for fingerprints. At home they would have never bothered to do that for a few items. With such a small island I'll bet those fingerprints were on file. jmo

 

[LambChop]

LOL I just find this hilarious

Pointing out that Arubas justice system may be corrupt, IYO , rather than admit we have no information

You know, that worked before...............
JMO

I'm sorry but you know that is not what I was saying. The inconsistencies I was referring to were GG's not LE's.

GG is still a suspect and can be brought back at any time. I never said they were corrupt, ever. If you do not understand my post then ask me about it.