ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[neesaki]

I don't think they have singled them out. Since the FBI was working with Aruba on this case obviously they know more than we do and have asked the family not to speak to the media. It's still an ongoing investigation and GG is a very dangerous person, IMO, with his threats and stalking. The family may have a reason to be fearful of him.

As far as Robyn's clothes, perhaps her roommate asked the family and they requested she donate them. I think they have accepted the fact she is not coming back.

And let's face it whether you like RF, or not, he is keeping RG's name in the news and that is important. He may be doing what the family feels they can't. And he certainly is not one to be easily intimidated by GG as he appears to have a "bring it on" attitude towards him. jmo

I just don't remember LE trying to silence others like that, such as Beth Holloway or the Anthony's. Or if they did, it didn't work.

As far as Robyn's family, you do have a point. I agree that GG is a very dangerous person, a walking time bomb, imo.

I don't really see RF talking to the media being a problem concerning the integrity of the case because he apparently knows no more than the rest of us do. He is just trying to keep Robyn's case alive in case she's not actually dead. He certainly seems to have no fear, so I hope he keeps talking until there's some resolution to what happened to Robyn. If for no other reason than as a reminder to ALE that we are still watching and waiting for them to solve this case. jmo :seeya:

 

[LambChop]

I'm not sure when the FBI entered the picture with Beth. In any case it was a suspected crime against an American by a Dutch citizen (not sure JVS was considered Aruban). So US officials would have no reason to stop Beth from trying to get information from the Arubans.

The A's, well CA was told not to speak with the media by Yuri. She was advised by three different attorney's that they went through not to speak and well, we know how that worked out. CA does not listen to anyone.

I think if the family refused to speak with the media directly LE is more likely to share information with them to ease their minds a little. Nothing critical to their investigation but maybe a reassurance that they are working on the case to gather information to charge him. The less the family says the better off they are, IMO. It's certainly not that they don't care they are just heeding advice that has been given to them.

RF is free to do as he chooses. He really has nothing to lose. jmo

 

[otto]

Wow. Wonder why they singled out this particular case and this particular family. Like I said, if there's something I like about RF, he's not a quitter.

Do you mean why did the authorities single out this case? I don't think they did. They simply asked the victim's family to respect Dutch law ... and they did.

 

[otto]

I just don't remember LE trying to silence others like that, such as Beth Holloway or the Anthony's. Or if they did, it didn't work.

As far as Robyn's family, you do have a point. I agree that GG is a very dangerous person, a walking time bomb, imo.

I don't really see RF talking to the media being a problem concerning the integrity of the case because he apparently knows no more than the rest of us do. He is just trying to keep Robyn's case alive in case she's not actually dead. He certainly seems to have no fear, so I hope he keeps talking until there's some resolution to what happened to Robyn. If for no other reason than as a reminder to ALE that we are still watching and waiting for them to solve this case. jmo :seeya:

Here's one remark about it.

"We are confident and very grateful to the Aruba authorities and volunteers who are working above and beyond all our expectations," she said in a statement circulated by The Natalee Holloway Resource Center. "I hope you understand that we are being quiet as to not jeopardize the investigation. Please continue to pray for Robyn. Thank you."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ray_n_924167.html#s326251&title=Robyn_Gardner

 

[otto]

While I was searching around for a link, I came across this, which may eliminate any possibility that Robyn was unwilingly drugged by GG:

"The witness statements also reveal more about Gardner. A friend and family member told police she was a "sneaky drinker," according to the witness statement.

Police also found Ambien, the sleep medication, prescribed to Gardner in the Marriott Hotel room where she was staying with Giordano. Giordano told police that he saw Gardner take a sleeping pill the day he claims they went snorkeling and she never returned.

Witnesses who saw Gardner the day she vanished described her as drunk and woozy.

The family member who told police she drank heavily said she was close to confronting Gardner about her allegedly excessive drinking."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-judge-orders-robyn-gardner-suspect-stay-jail/story?id=14418807

 

[TheWNP]

While I was searching around for a link, I came across this, which may eliminate any possibility that Robyn was unwilingly drugged by GG:

"The witness statements also reveal more about Gardner. A friend and family member told police she was a "sneaky drinker," according to the witness statement.

Police also found Ambien, the sleep medication, prescribed to Gardner in the Marriott Hotel room where she was staying with Giordano. Giordano told police that he saw Gardner take a sleeping pill the day he claims they went snorkeling and she never returned.

Witnesses who saw Gardner the day she vanished described her as drunk and woozy.

The family member who told police she drank heavily said she was close to confronting Gardner about her allegedly excessive drinking."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-judge-orders-robyn-gardner-suspect-stay-jail/story?id=14418807

Funny, I have just the opposite conclusion, in that IMO I think this is just another one of GG's lies used to cover up the fact that he was the one who slipped an Ambien to RG in her drink at the Rum Reef. As the surveillance video showed, witnesses said she appeared to be "woozy" after GG returned back from the car with a cup and just before she went to the bathroom, all within a few minutes time.

 

[otto]

Funny, I have just the opposite conclusion, in that IMO I think this is just another one of GG's lies used to cover up the fact that he was the one who slipped an Ambien to RG in her drink at the Rum Reef. As the surveillance video showed, witnesses said she appeared to be "woozy" after GG returned back from the car with a cup and just before she went to the bathroom, all within a few minutes time.

It was friend and family of Robyn that expressed concerns about her "sneaky drinking" and the prescription was made out for Robyn.

 

[vlpate]

While I was searching around for a link, I came across this, which may eliminate any possibility that Robyn was unwilingly drugged by GG:

"The witness statements also reveal more about Gardner. A friend and family member told police she was a "sneaky drinker," according to the witness statement.

Police also found Ambien, the sleep medication, prescribed to Gardner in the Marriott Hotel room where she was staying with Giordano. Giordano told police that he saw Gardner take a sleeping pill the day he claims they went snorkeling and she never returned.

Witnesses who saw Gardner the day she vanished described her as drunk and woozy.

The family member who told police she drank heavily said she was close to confronting Gardner about her allegedly excessive drinking."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-judge-orders-robyn-gardner-suspect-stay-jail/story?id=14418807

An unidentified friend or family member - I'll take that with a grain of salt. Witnesses who give their names are much more credible.

 

[otto]

An unidentified friend or family member - I'll take that with a grain of salt. Witnesses who give their names are much more credible.

The quote was "friend and family member". That wasn't an "or". Friend and family member suggest two people. The "family member" is a "she". The information came from "witness statements", so obviously names were provided but the media chose not to include those names in the article.

 

[redheadedgal]

just b/c a prescription is in RG's name doesn't mean GG didn't take a pill from the bottle (while she was asleep? in the shower? etc) and give it to her later...

 

[otto]

just b/c a prescription is in RG's name doesn't mean GG didn't take a pill from the bottle (while she was asleep? in the shower? etc) and give it to her later...

It's rather clear that GG did not have ambein with him to deliberately drug her. She was a regular user of the prescription drug and had it with her on the trip. There's no reason to think that GG had to slip her the drug since the prescription makes it obvious that she was slipping herself the drug at will.

 

[Dushi]

The prescription implies she was an ambien user
Therefore, she must have been aware of the effects of the medication
If she was slipped a pill, wouldn't she be familiar with the feeling?

 

[otto]

The prescription implies she was an ambien user
Therefore, she must have been aware of the effects of the medication
If she was slipped a pill, wouldn't she be familiar with the feeling?

It does. I think any suggestions that GG planned to drug her or sneaked ambien into her drink are unrealistic. She had a prescription for the drug so she was a regular user. She would be well aware of how she felt when she took the drug so, as you say, I would be very surprised if she was under the influence of her prescription medicine and wasn't aware of it. I think, as GG says, she took a pill that day. Then, she drank alcohol. That would have made her woozy, as witnesses described. What happened next is anyone's guess, but we know from RF that when under the influence of alcohol, Robyn and RF fought to the extent that strangers called police. Maybe Robyn and GG fought and GG lost his temper. From there, he could have pushed her over a cliff into the water. That would leave us where we are today ... missing woman, no body.

 

[Dushi]

It does. I think any suggestions that GG planned to drug her or sneaked ambien into her drink are unrealistic. She had a prescription for the drug so she was a regular user. She would be well aware of how she felt when she took the drug so, as you say, I would be very surprised if she was under the influence of her prescription medicine and wasn't aware of it. I think, as GG says, she took a pill that day. Then, she drank alcohol. That would have made her woozy, as witnesses described. What happened next is anyone's guess, but we know from RF that when under the influence of alcohol, Robyn and RF fought to the extent that strangers called police. Maybe Robyn and GG fought and GG lost his temper. From there, he could have pushed her over a cliff into the water. That would leave us where we are today ... missing woman, no body.

And it really could be as simple as that

 

[neesaki]

The prescription implies she was an ambien user
Therefore, she must have been aware of the effects of the medication
If she was slipped a pill, wouldn't she be familiar with the feeling?

No doubt she would. If GG gave it to her, maybe the drug had just started affecting her, then they left the restaurant. She could, at that time have confronted GG about him putting something in her drink. Too late to do anything about it then, and now she's gone.

Or, if she is the type to take Ambien during the day, this tells me, again, that she would not have wanted to go snorkeling, and never planned to go snorkeling. Otherwise, she wouldn't have taken it.

 

[neesaki]

It does. I think any suggestions that GG planned to drug her or sneaked ambien into her drink are unrealistic. She had a prescription for the drug so she was a regular user. She would be well aware of how she felt when she took the drug so, as you say, I would be very surprised if she was under the influence of her prescription medicine and wasn't aware of it. I think, as GG says, she took a pill that day. Then, she drank alcohol. That would have made her woozy, as witnesses described. What happened next is anyone's guess, but we know from RF that when under the influence of alcohol, Robyn and RF fought to the extent that strangers called police. Maybe Robyn and GG fought and GG lost his temper. From there, he could have pushed her over a cliff into the water. That would leave us where we are today ... missing woman, no body.

BBM. I agree, this is very possibly what really happened, imo.

 

[otto]

No doubt she would. If GG gave it to her, maybe the drug had just started affecting her, then they left the restaurant. She could, at that time have confronted GG about him putting something in her drink. Too late to do anything about it then, and now she's gone.

Or, if she is the type to take Ambien during the day, this tells me, again, that she would not have wanted to go snorkeling, and never planned to go snorkeling. Otherwise, she wouldn't have taken it.

According to the family, she was was a sneaky drinker. Maybe she was a functional alcoholic that normally took ambien during the day and topped it up with a shot or two of vodka. That would mean that she had poor judgment, possibly poor enough to get into dangerous waters and drown even though she was reputed to be a strong swimmer. Personally, I don't equate a drunk person with someone having common sense ... so I don't see how taking ambien and having a few drinks would mean she didn't plan to go into the water. Drunks are spontaneous, foolish and think they are invincible, meaning more likely to throw caution to the wind.

 

[redheadedgal]

why would she take a pill like that during the day? again, doesn't make sense.

if he was aware of her script -and it seems he was- he most definitely could've attempted to use that info (and the pills) to his advantage. i don't see how one can realistically throw away this scenario especially after hearing how she was described as being "woozy" by bar staff.

if he did slip her a pill and she realized what effects she was feeling, how do we know she didn't do anything about it? she might've asked/wondered what the h--- was going on... we don't know. we only have his account of the events that day... and what was seen on tape. i think it's been sufficiently proven here that GG is a liar... even the ALE doesn't buy his "story".

about her sneaking drinks? is there surveillance tape of her walking around the bar with a drink in her hand a la GG and his trip to the car? is there footage of her at the bar? going to the washroom drink in hand?

she's a grown woman on vacation in a foreign country... why on earth would she need to sneak a drink in aruba???!

 

[Dushi]

Does someone still have the links to the "Ambien High" info?
Its been posted many times but I don't have it at hand

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

An unidentified friend or family member - I'll take that with a grain of salt. Witnesses who give their names are much more credible.

HUH? There is only one witness name given in Aruba, but there seems to be no doubt those witnesses are telling the truth?:waitasec: