ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[LambChop]

I'm not saying he's guilty, only he knows what happened regardless of what he says. He has no credibilty, none, zilch, nada. Every lie he tells puts him in the catagory of suspect and with his grand total he has become the "prime" suspect. Whether he likes it or not....he's it. The main man. He put himself in that position. When Robin, from GMA, asked him if he still had plans to put in a claim for that insurance money and he said he may, I thought that was the wrong answer. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I don't see it as hyper- critical
The truth if in fact it is the truth, is not always pretty

Perhaps this family member felt the truth, if it is, would be more beneficial to the investigation

Well, let me tell you a story. My grandmother for one, was married to an alcoholic. I do not drink, what I consider drinking. Once in a while, at a wedding, party I would have one glass of wine and my grandmother would say...."you aren't going to drink that are you, it could become a habit." LOL That is what I mean as hypercritical. I had to hide my rum raisin ice cream. Just saying. Some people are just too sensitive about what or how much other's drink. Many drinkers know their limit, or only drink socially. One person who, from her video, seemed very close to RG, claims RG did not have a problem so it's possible in her eyes RG did not have a problem. In the other person's eyes she may have. Now if they all agreed she had a drinking problem that would be a different story. But I would not claim the woman had a drinking problem just because of one person, only that a member of the family felt she may have a problem. jmo

 

[otto]

I don't see it as hyper- critical
The truth if in fact it is the truth, is not always pretty

Perhaps this family member felt the truth, if it is, would be more beneficial to the investigation

I think that's exactly what happened. Family and friends provided witness statements to police and they spoke the truth with the assumption that it was important that police have all the facts. I think that those witness statements from family are far more accurate than any other statements relating to Robyn's character and habits.

 

[Dushi]

Well, let me tell you a story. My grandmother for one, was married to an alcoholic. I do not drink, what I consider drinking. Once in a while, at a wedding, party I would have one glass of wine and my grandmother would say...."you aren't going to drink that are you, it could become a habit." LOL That is what I mean as hypercritical. I had to hide my rum raisin ice cream. Just saying. Some people are just too sensitive about what or how much other's drink. Many drinkers know their limit, or only drink socially. One person who, from her video, seemed very close to RG, claims RG did not have a problem so it's possible in her eyes RG did not have a problem. In the other person's eyes she may have. Now if they all agreed she had a drinking problem that would be a different story. But I would not claim the woman had a drinking problem just because of one person, only that a member of the family felt she may have a problem. jmo

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Dushi]

I think that's exactly what happened. Family and friends provided witness statements to police and they spoke the truth with the assumption that it was important that police have all the facts. I think that those witness statements from family are far more accurate than any other statements relating to Robyn's character and habits.

I agree
I think they would know the real her and have her best interest at heart

 

[vlpate]

The quote was "friend and family member". That wasn't an "or". Friend and family member suggest two people. The "family member" is a "she". The information came from "witness statements", so obviously names were provided but the media chose not to include those names in the article.

"Family Member Calls Gardner 'Sneaky Drinker'

Since Gardner disappeared, Giordano moved to redeem a reportedly $1.5 million insurance policy on Gardner. Witnesses and an Aruban Police report described him as uncooperative with investigators and eerily calm about Gardner's disappearance.

The witness statements also reveal more about Gardner. A friend and family member told police she was a "sneaky drinker," according to the witness statement."
<snip>
"The family member who told police she drank heavily said she was close to confronting Gardner about her allegedly excessive drinking."

BEM: "A" would indicate one, as would "member". The author would have said, "friends and family members" had they meant more than one
Bold 2 - "The" - singular.

One unnamed source looking for their fifteen minutes. I'm not sure what sort of "friend" spouts their opinion, behind her back, as regards her "drinking problem". Sneaky could simply mean she sneaks them into red Solo cups instead of paying for the liquor.

I have family members that are friends, and I have family members who are holding on by a strand of DNA. A person can be both.

Rumor and un-sourced - doesn't fly with me.

 

[vlpate]

I agree
I think they would know the real her and have her best interest at heart

I could go back on these threads and quote a handful of "witness statement" that were dismissed by many posters here. Seems as though credibility is lent selectively and to fit a point of view. The fisherman was a named source, and his statements were given little to no credence.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[vlpate]

I agree
I think they would know the real her and have her best interest at heart

Also, sorry - her close friends would know the real her even more than her family. Her named friend says Robyn would not go snorkeling with her extensions.... I totally remember that conversation here - we argued it for pages.

How is calling her a drunk is in her best interest... explain please?

 

[Saracen]

Also, sorry - her close friends would know the real her even more than her family. Her named friend says Robyn would not go snorkeling with her extensions.... I totally remember that conversation here - we argued it for pages.

How is calling her a drunk is in her best interest... explain please?

I think that if you looked back through the posts she was discribed as LOOKING drunk and woosy?..

 

[Saracen]

Also, sorry - her close friends would know the real her even more than her family. Her named friend says Robyn would not go snorkeling with her extensions.... I totally remember that conversation here - we argued it for pages.

How is calling her a drunk is in her best interest... explain please?

And maybe, just maybe,IF she was called a drunk by even her closest friend it might just give her a wake up call to sort her lifestyle out?...JMO of which we are all entltled..

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Also, sorry - her close friends would know the real her even more than her family. Her named friend says Robyn would not go snorkeling with her extensions.... I totally remember that conversation here - we argued it for pages.

How is calling her a drunk is in her best interest... explain please?

Who called her a drunk? They said she was a sneaky drinker, and her family was on the verge of confronting her about a drinking "problem". Did you mean "alcoholic"? Also a name no one called her.

Also rumors and unsubstantiated witness statements have been ok to use for "inconsistencies" in explaining GG's guilt. Why are they not allowed when it comes to the family statement?

 

[vlpate]

I think that if you looked back through the posts she was discribed as LOOKING drunk and woosy?..

You're right - but looking drunk and woosie (not sure what the difference is), on vacation in Aruba, is a far cry from being a sneaky, problem drinker. She may have been drunk that day - there's no disputing they drank on the trip, but IMO, disparaging the victim with unsubstantiated rumor is unfair. Had her ex and other friends, whose names we know, said it, that would be different -- but at the end of the day, wouldn't make any difference in this case. It just make GG look worse, if that's possible, and not much of a man.

 

[vlpate]

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Who called her a drunk? They said she was a sneaky drinker, and her family was on the verge of confronting her about a drinking "problem". Did you mean "alcoholic"? Also a name no one called her.

Also rumors and unsubstantiated witness statements have been ok to use for "inconsistencies" in explaining GG's guilt. Why are they not allowed when it comes to the family statement?

There's a difference between drunks and alcoholics, drunks don't go to meetings....badum bump

The inconsistencies stem from what Giordano said happened and what witnesses and LE said happened. GG didn't say Robyn was a problem drinker (that I'm aware of), or a drunk or an alcoholic, or the relative of a judgmental and cowardly friend.

 

[vlpate]

And maybe, just maybe,IF she was called a drunk by even her closest friend it might just give her a wake up call to sort her lifestyle out?...JMO of which we are all entltled..

Nah, you can talk to a drunk till your skin turns blue and it won't change their lifestyle on iota. Was there something wrong with Robyn's lifestyle?

 

[Saracen]

Nah, you can talk to a drunk till your skin turns blue and it won't change their lifestyle on iota. Was there something wrong with Robyn's lifestyle?

Na'h you can talk to them in their sober moments and it does make a difference, once they realise their situation, thats how groups like AA do their work, and very good work too, turning peoples lives around, any social worker would tell you that!!.

 

[redheadedgal]

Who called her a drunk?

it's been suggested even implied as the terms "drunk" and "alcoholic" have been used:

Maybe she was a functional alcoholic that normally took ambien during the day and topped it up with a shot or two of vodka... Personally, I don't equate a drunk person with someone having common sense... Drunks are spontaneous, foolish and think they are invincible, meaning more likely to throw caution to the wind.

She may be an alcoholic--that is a tactic used to insure their ability to get high.


i think it's probably best to drop this part of the discussion as it's not victim-friendly and it hasn't been proven (one person called a "sneaky drinker"... another close friend said this wasn't the case) ... so for me it's a moot point... as is how the ambien got in her system if in fact it was. should we continue to discuss either issue, we'll all just continue to go round and round. imo our time is better served discussing other aspects of this case.

 

[Dushi]

If statements that have no name attached and " a source close to the investigation said" are to be discounted, there is an awful lot in this thread that appears useless.

On both sides of the case

 

[Dushi]

And as far as the fisherman story... I presonally have never discounted it
My question was why would he lie, what would he gain.
My answer was ... he had no reason to lie and nothing to gain

I did question the different statements until it was clear that there is more than one fisherman, two unnamed.....

 

[Elley Mae]

There's a difference between drunks and alcoholics, drunks don't go to meetings....badum bump

The inconsistencies stem from what Giordano said happened and what witnesses and LE said happened. GG didn't say Robyn was a problem drinker (that I'm aware of), or a drunk or an alcoholic, or the relative of a judgmental and cowardly friend.

Not to get too far O/T but I want to know 'Who" said the "meetings" have to happen.
I stopped drinking 2 yrs ago this month (6 plus beers) a day. over 25 yrs, I have not been to one meeting. I have some friends that say I was not an alcoholic because I didn't have to go to meetings, really? Oh and I stopped smoking the month after that,it was harder.

Where all addicted to something, if all that Robyn did outside of work,involved drinking, then she had a problem. It's the drinking with meds that she should have known not to do.

 

[Dushi]

You're right - but looking drunk and woosie (not sure what the difference is), on vacation in Aruba, is a far cry from being a sneaky, problem drinker. She may have been drunk that day - there's no disputing they drank on the trip, but IMO, disparaging the victim with unsubstantiated rumor is unfair. Had her ex and other friends, whose names we know, said it, that would be different -- but at the end of the day, wouldn't make any difference in this case. It just make GG look worse, if that's possible, and not much of a man.

Gardner’s boyfriend Richard Forester said at the time the two fought over Gardner’s use of alcohol.

“We had our arguments, we had our fights,” Forester says, acknowledging Gardner and he had a turbulent relationship.

“I told her I thought she drank to much um but she was an adult and she was always with me so I thought I could protect,” her, Forester said.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2011/0...nts-expected-in-robyn-gardner-case-65872.html