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But can we trust Nina's statements? And if we do, wasn't Zahau's vehicle then stated by police in a report that it was found in the garage the next day (Wed) after her death? If so, one has to wonder WHO MOVED Zahau's car in the middle of the night AND WHY?

My recollection.....SDSO detectives peeked in the garage windows and took down a license number of a car with AZ plates parked inside. However, I think
the license plate number was wrong and I thought there were 3 cars. Jonah's,Rebecca's and the car in the garage. I'll go back research unless someone has answers.
 
My recollection.....SDSO detectives peeked in the garage windows and took down a license number of a car with AZ plates parked inside. However, I think
the license plate number was wrong and I thought there were 3 cars. Jonah's,Rebecca's and the car in the garage. I'll go back research unless someone has answers.

See if the thread I just bumped helps any.
 
Oops, posted this on wrong thread, so have moved it here... Apologies.
Not easy to discern certain AS' words at times. His thoughts often jump nonsensically. All corrections welcome:

News 8 Exclusive - The polygraph examination of Adam Shacknai
http://www.cbs8.com/story/22221589/n...nttype=generic

Date: 7/13/2011
Time video begins: 7:33:17PM

AS: I think.. I got to reach her and realized I wasn't going to be able to get her off without a knife. You know I tried -- I realized -- quite quickly. You know I realized this thing will happen like this. I went around the back into the house which the door was open. I got a knife with the butcher block thing -- came back out -- cut her down -- and tried called 9-1-1 shortly thereafter -- if not before.

PR: OK. Did you at any point think she was alive?

AS: I'm well.. you know. Call me a can-do person or something -- but -- probably not. But I thought, how would I answer -- for this if I didn't try something. I'm a responsible person.

PR: OK. Tried some CPR?

AS: Yeah

PR: OK. Have you been trained in that? With the boat stuff?

AS: Years and years ago. Not enough to amount to anything.

PR: OK. So, tried some CPR. Now -- and so -- was there anything else unusual? What kind of chain (unintelligible?) was it, like a bed sheet or what?

AS: It was a ******ing rope, man. Red rope. Unless my memory is failing me, you know, something -- it wasn't just something that you would be laying around, somewhere. I wouldn't think.

PR: Alright. So could you tell whether it was a material or something?

AS: Kinda like a Kevlar, synthetic

PR: OK. Like nylon...

AS: Yeah

PR: Or something like that?

PR: OK, and -- so what, there were no shoes, not a stitch on?

AS: Not that I recall

PR: So her hands were hanging down by her side then?

AS: I don't know because here's the thing. I don't remember about her hands. Because after I cut her down I went to take her pulse -- you know -- at some point, which I didn't even do at first. I remember having to get something out of the way -- of her hands -- and that's why I've been asking these detectives and stuff if she was tied up or what. I mean I'm like, I'm kind of in all a blur [cross talk]...

PR: Blur yeah.

AS: You know but -- but I remember having to move something to try to get her pulse out of the way -- you know very much [cross talk]

PR: You don't remember anything unusual?

AS: I don't remember that, but I just -- I fear -- I hope to God she wasn't tied up but -- and again -- I asked the detectives there -- you know -- I don't recall.

PR: Now as far as the CPR. You did the chest compressions and you did blow in her mouth, in her nose?

AS: I got the -- once I got 9-1-1 on the line, I went ahead and blew in her mouth.

PR: OK. And her mouth was open and clear and everything?

AS: I didn't even do all that at first. I should have. I didn't. I didn't do that tilt. I think they said tilt the head back and do that. I didn't do any of that stuff.

PR: OK

AS: I just put my mouth over hers and said **** it, it's my brother's girlfriend and I'll do it. And I did it.

PR: And there was no tape across her mouth or anything like this?

AS: No. There was a ******ing gag in her mouth though.

PR: A gag in her mouth?

AS: Yeah

PR: What was that?

AS: Something, yeah. I had to pull something out of her ****ing mouth. It was like a blue scarf.

[time stamp jumps from 7:36:54PM to 7:40:29PM]

PR: Does it seem to you like it's a suicide then at that point?

AS: YES ABSOLUTELY [AS sits forward in chair, then leans back]

PR: OK, and what makes you think that?

AS: It's just what crossed my mind you know -- just because -- I thought she was THERE, when Max got hurt,supposedly. UM UM -- you know maybe she just can't LIVE with it, you know. I've never been in that situation. I'm not going to -- I can't say that I could, especially if it was someone else's kid, you know.

PR: Did she seem suicidal or anything like that?

AS: No. I don't get -- you know, I mean -- you just don't ever think of that.

[time stamp jumps from 7:40:29PM to 8:11:49PM]

PR: Look straight ahead listen and concentrate on each question.

AS: OK

PR: Only respond yes or no

AS: OK

PR: But the most important thing of all is what?

AS: Be honest?

PR: That's it. Be honest, don't lie, be honest in your answers [unintelligible]

PR: Regarding the death of Rebecca, do you know for sure if anyone did anything to hurt her that resulted in her death?

AS: No

PR: Regarding the death of Rebecca, did you yourself do anything to her that resulted in her death?

AS: No

PR: Regarding the death of Rebecca, were you in that guest room that she was found hanging from at any time during the night?

AS: No

[time stamp jumps from 8:22:47PM to 8:40:19PM]

PR: These are hard tests to do when you're this close to what's going on here like you said...

AS: Yeah

PR: Because it's hard to get rid of that emotional factor

AS: Right

PR: Um, and you could have done a whole lot worse on the test (AS shakes head). And you could have done a whole lot better too.

AS: (makes a psshoo sound - snaps finger)

PR: Based on what I've got here -- we're kind of in the inconclusive range. But it clearly doesn't bother me that much, because I think that if you were (unintelligible) that close, there is no way I could prevent you from giving me SOME reaction. But as far as being involved in it, I am not INCLINED to believe that. Um, but you're definitely not flunking my test, so that's kinda -- somewhat of a good thing.

[Time stamp jumps from 8:41:44PM to 8:44:44PM]

PR: Appreciate your cooperation. I know it's a tough thing to do and certainly appreciate you working with us on this. Wasn't so bad, was it?

AS: It was.

PR: It wasn't as bad as you thought it was going to be though?

AS: It was.

PR: It was?

AS: Yeah.

[Time stamp ends 8:44:56PM]

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There were 10 questions. The video only includes 3 of them. Within the first 12 hours Rebecca's death was being investigated as a homicide. AS discovered her body, thus any investigation would consider him a POI. Why is Mr Redden so darn appreciative and accommodating to AS?! Will comment more on this under separate comment.

My understanding there were 10 questions but asked FOUR different times during the 2 hour polygraph.Ann Rule book page 184.Paul Redden gave Adam Shacknai four polygraph tests.

I have trouble with Adam's statement....."I FEAR.....I hope to god she wasn't tied up".....I know I've mentioned this before but I want to PRESS this statement.

*Adam previously indicated he spent time trying to get the noose around her neck which lead to his decision to run into the main house to grab a knife.
*Adam now has the knife and moves the 3 legged table top in position to get on top to cut the rope and get Rebecca down. Adam never mentions the difficulty or ease in cutting the robe nor does he ever mention the difficulty standing atop the 3 legged table top trying to maintain his balance as he would have to hold RZ's body as he cut the rope... right? No easy fete.
*Adam at this stage of the ordeal has seen Rebecca from a short distance,close up and is now holding her up as he cuts the rope and Adam says," I FEAR...I hope to god she wasn't tied up." Where were HIS arm(s) when he was holding her up not to notice she was tied up?
*Adam in the 5 minute video doesn't discuss the extreme difficulty it must've been with at least 270 combined lbs. atop the 3 legged table top using one arm or both arms to secure her body once he freed her neck from the rope and how he was able to maintain his balance without falling to the ground.
*Adam now has her body on the grass and he's trying to get her pulse and mentions something about her hands so I'm assuming he is trying to take her pulse from her WRIST...right? Well, weren't her hands TIED BEHIND HER BACK? How can Adam have any doubts whatsoever that Rebecca was tied up.....that statement is all RED FLAG IMO.
 
My understanding there were 10 questions but asked FOUR different times during the 2 hour polygraph.Ann Rule book page 184.Paul Redden gave Adam Shacknai four polygraph tests.

I have trouble with Adam's statement....."I FEAR.....I hope to god she wasn't tied up".....I know I've mentioned this before but I want to PRESS this statement.

*Adam previously indicated he spent time trying to get the noose around her neck which lead to his decision to run into the main house to grab a knife.
*Adam now has the knife and moves the 3 legged table top in position to get on top to cut the rope and get Rebecca down. Adam never mentions the difficulty or ease in cutting the robe nor does he ever mention the difficulty standing atop the 3 legged table top trying to maintain his balance as he would have to hold RZ's body as he cut the rope... right? No easy fete.
*Adam at this stage of the ordeal has seen Rebecca from a short distance,close up and is now holding her up as he cuts the rope and Adam says," I FEAR...I hope to god she wasn't tied up." Where were HIS arm(s) when he was holding her up not to notice she was tied up?
*Adam in the 5 minute video doesn't discuss the extreme difficulty it must've been with at least 270 combined lbs. atop the 3 legged table top using one arm or both arms to secure her body once he freed her neck from the rope and how he was able to maintain his balance without falling to the ground.
*Adam now has her body on the grass and he's trying to get her pulse and mentions something about her hands so I'm assuming he is trying to take her pulse from her WRIST...right? Well, weren't her hands TIED BEHIND HER BACK? How can Adam have any doubts whatsoever that Rebecca was tied up.....that statement is all RED FLAG IMO.

I actually am still on the fence about Adam. I'm generally very good at reading people but it's hard to get a read on Adam because: <modsnip> and c) can't see his eyes in the polygraph exam and his eyeglasses/sunglasses were very dark-tinted.

I agree with other posters that his nonverbal behaviors contradict his statements (e.g., shaking head while saying "yes", and nodding while saying "no"). But I think this could be because he's either truly frustrated or he's trying real hard to appear exasperated and frustrated by the questioning.

In one instance, to me, it appeared there may have been a third party in the room, as when polygrapher Redden is asking Adam a question, Adam appears to be looking elsewhere at someone else...Is it possible that a lawyer or someone else was present in the polygraph exam besides Adam and Redden?

I also agree that it seems RIDICULOUS on its face when Adam asserted he didn't know whether her hands were tied up or not. He had at least an hour with her at the crime scene, I'd assume given that LE/paramedics didn't show up for quite a while since he was unable to give the correct address. And also, her laying there after he supposedly cut her down, with her knees bent and ankles bound with a very SALIENT RED ROPE should have been clearly visible...But again, he was wearing that dark-colored glasses...Although he clearly stated she had a "BLUE scarf" in her "f*ckin' mouth" so he wasn't color-blind with his glasses, which I assume he had been also wearing that morning...

AND Adam claimed he did CPR on her, although from the clip in the polygraph video he only described barely doing mouth-to-mouth...No tilting of her head back, no chin upward, though he did claim he took the "gag" out of her mouth.

So I really don't know whether Adam was involved or not in Rebecca's death...although he does use similar phrase to Nina that Rebecca "couldn't live with it" and that to me means either he spoke with Nina or another POI who used the exact phrase about Rebecca's state of mind, and since Adam appears to be "stoned" or <modsnip> before he submitted to the polygraph, he might just have latched onto the phrase...

Anyhow, I would like to see the full two-hour polygraph video to make a better assessment of Adam. Can Lash or someone who knows how to obtain public records acquire the full video for us? :)
 
My recollection.....SDSO detectives peeked in the garage windows and took down a license number of a car with AZ plates parked inside. However, I think
the license plate number was wrong and I thought there were 3 cars. Jonah's,Rebecca's and the car in the garage. I'll go back research unless someone has answers.

Seems from the police report there were only two cars parked INSIDE the garage. But if that's the case, why did Nina say in an audio interview to CBS8 that she saw Rebecca's car parked in the driveway (not the garage)?

Is Nina lying? And why would she lie?

If Nina's telling the truth, who moved the car then from the driveway to the garage? And why?
 
I have been following this story for a long time. The most surprising part of Adam's LDT was the overwhelming anger and "bitterness" that permeated the 5 minute clip. I expected to hear a calm interview, from an easy going southern sailor who had experienced a long and exhausting day. The "ah ha!" moment for me was the added the word, "SUPPOSEDLY" when he referenced Rebecca finding MS after the accident. It implies to me that he did not believe it was an accident, had conversations with others who did not believe it was an accident and the "accident theory" was already being doubted by family members when he was at the hospital.
He noted that she was naked, had no shoes on, had a gag in her (effin) mouth ....but COULD NOT SEE THAT HER LEGS AND ARMS WERE BOUND with the "red KEVLAR SYNTHETIC rope??? He had his hands around her body, noticed her hands, noticed her feet had no shoes, removed the "blue scarf gag" from her mouth, worried about what "people would say," put his hands on her chest, put his mouth on hers...etc.
But couldn't tell whether or not she was tied up?? If he was so sure she committed suicide, why would he worry about whether or not she was bound? IMO, even he realizes his willingness/eagerness to push the "suicide scenario" would be in doubt if she was bound. He isn't worried about suicide due to guilt, but "fears, hopes to God" she wasn't tied up...so odd.
 
Adding to the obvious strangeness of this case...WHO HIRES A DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR A SUICIDE? How many times have you ever heard of a defense attorney arriving on the scene 10 hours before the medical examiner arrives? AS flies 2000 miles to be of support for his brother, I don't know what I would do under the same circumstances...just can't imagine how devastated (or angry?) I would be after seeing my young nephew on life support and less than 12 hours later finding my brother's girlfriend hanging from the balcony. Supposedly and Alledgedly are synonyms people use to express sarcastic doubt.
 
Observations and Questions about LDT. On the link to the att'd video of the lie detector test @59 seconds AS's watch is on his right wrist. At 1:14 seconds of the interview, his watch is now on his left wrist. Is removal of a wrist watch something an interviewer usually requests? IIRC it had been stated he was given 4 LDT tests during a short time frame...can something as inconsequential as a watch affect the outcome of a LDT? Do men prefer to have their watches on their dominant side (ie right handed men usually wear it on their right?) Curiously (but isn't everything about this curious?) not all the videos aired are as easy to capture images of his wrist and the long sleeves of his blue shirt made it difficult to spot. Can anyone in Rebecca's family tell us what size the Mossimo long sleeved blue shirt was that was used as a gag? [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUWxDn8pOWI&feature=endscreen&NR=1"]Coronado Mansion case death of Rebecca Zahau - Adam Shacknai lie detector report - YouTube[/ame]
 
In the video of LDT that is 5:09 in length @ 20 seconds Adam indicates that he cut Rebecca down using his RIGHT hand in a sawing motion (notice clenched right fist as if holding a knife?). However, in the video that is 3:38 in length at 1:08 seconds he NOW indicates that he cut Rebecca down using his LEFT hand in a sawing motion!!! (notice clenched left fist as if holding a knife?) Each time he does his salacious retelling of events....he doesn't seem to remember whether which hand he held the knife in to cut her down.....Good grief! C'mon, it blows my mind....aren't these the kinds of things detectives are supposed to look at when reviewing videos of questioning?? Afterall, wouldn't you think it suspicious if a person said they shot their gun with their right hand, and then in the same afternoon interview, say they shot their gun with their left hand?:banghead::banghead:
There are so many things wrong with this case... I hope my fellow sleuthers are not tiring of me with me pointing out so many of the things that have bothered me about this case. (To have a forum where one can freely state concerns, questions and observations is amazing.)
 
Observations and Questions about LDT. On the link to the att'd video of the lie detector test @59 seconds AS's watch is on his right wrist. At 1:14 seconds of the interview, his watch is now on his left wrist. Is removal of a wrist watch something an interviewer usually requests? IIRC it had been stated he was given 4 LDT tests during a short time frame...can something as inconsequential as a watch affect the outcome of a LDT? Do men prefer to have their watches on their dominant side (ie right handed men usually wear it on their right?) Curiously (but isn't everything about this curious?) not all the videos aired are as easy to capture images of his wrist and the long sleeves of his blue shirt made it difficult to spot. Can anyone in Rebecca's family tell us what size the Mossimo long sleeved blue shirt was that was used as a gag? Coronado Mansion case death of Rebecca Zahau - Adam Shacknai lie detector report - YouTube

I agree, something's not right about the polygraph videos the media is showing. Since they haven't given us the entire 2-hour video, I assume it's because the media has edited the video (cut and spliced) so that they can juxtapose multiple videos together and may have flipped the frames while editing.

It is very strange. You'd think the media would at least try to keep the integrity of the polygraph video for professional & credibility reasons. But maybe they WANT us to question the video because they want to sensationalize the case further for profit? I really don't know...SMH
 
In the video of LDT that is 5:09 in length @ 20 seconds Adam indicates that he cut Rebecca down using his RIGHT hand in a sawing motion (notice clenched right fist as if holding a knife?). However, in the video that is 3:38 in length at 1:08 seconds he NOW indicates that he cut Rebecca down using his LEFT hand in a sawing motion!!! (notice clenched left fist as if holding a knife?) Each time he does his salacious retelling of events....he doesn't seem to remember whether which hand he held the knife in to cut her down.....Good grief! C'mon, it blows my mind....aren't these the kinds of things detectives are supposed to look at when reviewing videos of questioning?? Afterall, wouldn't you think it suspicious if a person said they shot their gun with their right hand, and then in the same afternoon interview, say they shot their gun with their left hand?:banghead::banghead:
There are so many things wrong with this case... I hope my fellow sleuthers are not tiring of me with me pointing out so many of the things that have bothered me about this case. (To have a forum where one can freely state concerns, questions and observations is amazing.)

Thanks IQuestion... excellent points.... I am going to watch the video a few more times... I wondered if AS had MPD...or DID... when he doesn't remember he seems to have a more childlike personality.... very odd the demonstration of the knife in one hand and then the other...I got this odd feeling that a part of him committed the crime and the other parts of him don't remember but fear what happened... I found AS very odd person... granted it was traumatic <modsnip>...
 
Aaah Mrs. Holmes, at lst we meet! Hmmm don't know if selective memory is a mental health issue, but his cussing would probably hinder social connections with the genteel gentry. <modsnip> at least it would explain WHO was holding up the patio table with the broken leg, and how he was able to keep his balance, while lowering a bound, dead body already in the first stages of rigor. (It is awfully hard to hold back my "sarcastic doubt" when I type this....but I just gotta say, s-u-p-p-o-s-e-d-l-y.) Now that I think about it..you were just teasing me, huh? Maybe people <modsnip> can change from left handed to right handed, one is a "can do guy, responsible guy" and the other "barely took CPR training."
But, I understand your point MANY parts of the aired video were AWKWARD...and I, too, wish I could watch the entire 2 hours. (Ahem, Atty Fleck...I would eagerly volunteer to revue the full videos and point out every inconsistency I see. Fifty websleuthers watching it and providing a collective report... an awesome thought.)
Airing "40 second soundbites" (unfortunately) is how news is reported nowadays. People (the viewing public en masse) are treated as if all have ADHD. The editors try to capture the moments giving the greatest impact, in the shortest amount of time.
For the record...Why didn't AS just say, "Yeah I think she committed suicide and she told me she was really sad last night."?? No, instead he gives the whole story on why Rebecca should have hanged herself! He is so eager to push the meme of suicide...he practically jumps out of his chair, knows the sequence of events, now says the child's name, makes it a point to say REBECCA IS NOT FAMILY ("especially with someone else's kid"). When suicide is finally suggested and he swings into action and doesn't miss one single reason.... the only part of the interview that doesn't confuse him or claims was a blur.... ODTAA go figure.
 
Observations and Questions about LDT. On the link to the att'd video of the lie detector test @59 seconds AS's watch is on his right wrist. At 1:14 seconds of the interview, his watch is now on his left wrist. Is removal of a wrist watch something an interviewer usually requests? IIRC it had been stated he was given 4 LDT tests during a short time frame...can something as inconsequential as a watch affect the outcome of a LDT? Do men prefer to have their watches on their dominant side (ie right handed men usually wear it on their right?) Curiously (but isn't everything about this curious?) not all the videos aired are as easy to capture images of his wrist and the long sleeves of his blue shirt made it difficult to spot. Can anyone in Rebecca's family tell us what size the Mossimo long sleeved blue shirt was that was used as a gag? Coronado Mansion case death of Rebecca Zahau - Adam Shacknai lie detector report - YouTube

First off - great catch on the "watch". I've looked at this a dozen or so times....I believe he had his watch on his LEFT wrist the entire time and when you see briefly that it's on his right wrist...my hunch it was a mix-up in the splicing editing process.
 
First off - great catch on the "watch". I've looked at this a dozen or so times....I believe he had his watch on his LEFT wrist the entire time and when you see briefly that it's on his right wrist...my hunch it was a mix-up in the splicing editing process.

Most people wear their watch not on their dominate side.......I am right-handed, and wear it on my left so that I can look at it. Most lefties that I know wear their watches on their right hand. JMO.
 
This might be more appropriately logged into "articles only" but it is interesting reading:
http://www.wikihow.com/Cheat-a-Polygraph-Test-(Lie-Detector)

Interesting and helpful. I've never had to take a polygraph test, but learned while getting my degree in psychology that you should never agree to take one. They're notoriously unreliable. That's why the results are not allowed in court. Refusing to take one doesn't always mean you're guilty, just that you're being cautious.

In many cases here on WS, we often see parents or relatives of missing people criticized for not taking a polygraph, but I'm not sure I would under those circumstances. I'd have to feel fairly certain that I could trust those administering it before I would consent.
 
Interesting and helpful. I've never had to take a polygraph test, but learned while getting my degree in psychology that you should never agree to take one. They're notoriously unreliable. That's why the results are not allowed in court. Refusing to take one doesn't always mean you're guilty, just that you're being cautious.

In many cases here on WS, we often see parents or relatives of missing people criticized for not taking a polygraph, but I'm not sure I would under those circumstances. I'd have to feel fairly certain that I could trust those administering it before I would consent.
Would anyone care to venture guessing or hypothesizing WHY AS consented to taking a polygraph? He, or someone, must have felt it would be to his, or someone's, advantage to submit to one IMO
 
LIFTED THIS INFO from the CPatch...It is one of the biggest OMG'S (at least since DS made her KTAR proclamation. Looks as if "lie detector (hired) contractor" may have some issues with providing products and services to LE agencies.....Hmmmmm, now can ya' see just how easy it can be for someone to SWAY an investigation!! http://www.sandiegoreader.com/weblo...ai-case-polygrapher-focus-of-news-service-in/

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. Seems to me that if you want to keep selling lie detector machines it is in your best interest for the "test" to come out the way your potential buyer (LE) wants it to. This is a conflict of interest and simply should not be allowed. Another reason to re-open this case.

I tried to find something on wearing a watch during an exam but found nothing.
 
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