Ask Super Part 3

[MurriFlower]

You're on a roll, Madeline. Keep goin'!

Interesting point- why didn't the R's attorney's simply ASK if they did it or know who did? Even if the Rs lied, they'd probably be able to tell. I am sure they have defended many a guilty client.
I know defense lawyers don't have to ask their clients if they are guilty and I imagine they might rather not know. But I couldn't live with myself if I thought I might be allowing a guilty person to go undiscovered, especially by the underhanded means most defense lawyers use.

Hmm, didn't we discover it was unethical for them to ask?

 

[madeleine]

Madeleine, don't you think it's possible that the Ramsey team literally "knew" that Patsy would be arrested for the murder and their objective was to defend John against his possible involvement with the cover up. After all, when the Grand Jury convened, didn't the Ramsey's return to Colorado prepared for Patsy to be arrested? The fact that JR hired all these people to defend him is very telling. I don't know who killed JonBenet, but looking at how JR was prepared to defend himself tells me that it probably was Patsy and John was more worried about what the ramifications would be for him.

How could they have known only two weeks after the murder?All the stuff that they said pointed to PDI came out later.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Well, for one thing, they were able to see exactly the same things we have seen. It ought to be obvious to anyone the Ramseys were guilty.
Murriflower:
If their lawyers were told they were guilty (by the Ramseys) they could not go into a court of law and declare them innocent. That would be purjery. This is why most lawyers tell their clients up front they don't want to know if they committed the crime.
They can get around it, but they cannot actually come out and say "my client is innocent".

 

[DeeDee249]

Hmm, didn't we discover it was unethical for them to ask?

If a defendant admits guilt (to his attorneys) that is when they begin discussing plea bargains.

 

[feddup]

I disagree. She was only a perfectionist when putting on a show for others, in public. At home Pasty was a slob. IMO It was all about apperances.

I kind of disagree there. her Home, every room was like something out of a magazine.
Where did you get the evidence or thought that she was a slob? She even put on her make up before going down to make the coffee LOL

 

[claudicici]

her housekeepers claimed she was messy...

 

[Ames]

I kind of disagree there. her Home, every room was like something out of a magazine.
Where did you get the evidence or thought that she was a slob? She even put on her make up before going down to make the coffee LOL

Her housekeeper said that she was a slob, and Patsy's mom, Nedra...used to fuss at her for it. She said that the housekeeper shouldn't have to pick up after everybody, she was supposed to be there to CLEAN. The only time I have seen the Ramsey's house..with the Ramsey's still living there, are Crime Scene Photos, and in everyone of them...the rooms are MESSY. The table in the kitchen...messy. JB's room...messy. JAR's room....Messy. Not a clean room in the house. She was a messy person...and lazy. Didn't even know when the last time JB had a bath was.

 

[vlpate]

Patsy got her "beauty queen". She was laid out in that frilly pink pageant gown, complete with tiara and make-up. Patsy's words to BR as they looked at his sister in her coffin: "See, she looks perfect."

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DeeDee, where did you find the quote by Patsy - "See, she looks perfect."

Thanks

 

[Ames]

DeeDee, where did you find the quote by Patsy - "See, she looks perfect."

Thanks

I can't speak for DeeDee, but I believe that is in the Ramsey book of BS that they wrote.

 

[feddup]

Her housekeeper said that she was a slob, and Patsy's mom, Nedra...used to fuss at her for it. She said that the housekeeper shouldn't have to pick up after everybody, she was supposed to be there to CLEAN. The only time I have seen the Ramsey's house..with the Ramsey's still living there, are Crime Scene Photos, and in everyone of them...the rooms are MESSY. The table in the kitchen...messy. JB's room...messy. JAR's room....Messy. Not a clean room in the house. She was a messy person...and lazy. Didn't even know when the last time JB had a bath was.

OK, I had never saw that. I would think a little girl would get a bath/shower every day.

 

[Bobbarita]

I kind of disagree there. her Home, every room was like something out of a magazine.
Where did you get the evidence or thought that she was a slob? She even put on her make up before going down to make the coffee LOL

From: Jon Benet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation, by Steve Thomas

Pg. 72 "Back upstairs I walked through each room and was struck by the paradox that although the home seemed planned for a House & Garden photo shoot, the clean lines, antiques, rich wood, and designer colors seemed to have gone too far and crossed into overdecorated gaudiness. The farther I moved from the front door and the showcase living and dining rooms, the messier it got. Dirty clothes on the upstairs floors, toys scattered everywhere, clutter in the corners, various items seemingly pushed out of the way rather than neatly stored, cobwebs in some corners."

 

[Ames]

OK, I had never saw that. I would think a little girl would get a bath/shower every day.

You need to go and read Patsy's and John's interviews. She admits that she doesn't remember when JB got her last bath.

 

[joeskidbeck]

Most mothers on this forum would have insisted their kids bathe every day and for all we know, Patsy knew exactly when JonBenet's last bath was. That's the bad thing with all the interviews. They lied so much that it's impossible to know when they are telling the truth. Although, in my opinion, Patsy probably didn't worry too much about how often her children bathed. It would go along with how sloppy she was. But she did say one thing that I absolutely do not believe and that was that she often wore the same outfit two days in a row. I don't believe that about her or JonBenet. Their appearance to the outside world was a lot different than the appearance of her home when she was not expecting visitors.

 

[Ames]

Most mothers on this forum would have insisted their kids bathe every day and for all we know, Patsy knew exactly when JonBenet's last bath was. That's the bad thing with all the interviews. They lied so much that it's impossible to know when they are telling the truth. Although, in my opinion, Patsy probably didn't worry too much about how often her children bathed. It would go along with how sloppy she was. But she did say one thing that I absolutely do not believe and that was that she often wore the same outfit two days in a row. I don't believe that about her or JonBenet. Their appearance to the outside world was a lot different than the appearance of her home when she was not expecting visitors.

ITA with you!

 

[CathyR]

Thanks, guys. But it's not quite that bad. It's just a combination of bad genes (both parents were myopic) and getting older. A new pair of glasses will help.

Do not go to a budget eyeglass store chain. Have your doctor check them out and make sure they were made correctly. Invest in GOOD lenses if using progressives. Get the ones with the widest usable field for the bifocal area.
If lens warranties are available buy them and use it for scratches or accidents during the warranty period.

I am an American Board of Opticians Certified (ABO) Optician.

 

[CathyR]

Good points, maddy. And FWIW, I think he was involved himself. But even then, yes, he had just lost his daughter. But if he turned on PR, he would have sent her to prison in poor health, knowing she'd most likely die there. And his son would most likely hate him, having lost a sister AND a mother all in one day. Not only that, but there was his ego to consider. Turning on PR would force him to confront the fact that he screwed up his first marriage only to marry a monster.

I'm just spitballing here.



Does not the good book teach to love the sinner, but hate the sin?

I see that as justification to turn on her. He can also say how manipulative, materialistic etc about her and say she targeted him, ruined his 1 st marriage and on and on. He was fooled by her, play up his role as victim.

 

[DeeDee249]

I see that as justification to turn on her. He can also say how manipulative, materialistic etc about her and say she targeted him, ruined his 1 st marriage and on and on. He was fooled by her, play up his role as victim.

JR met Patsy after he was already divorced, I believe. There was another woman he had an affair with, and that was what broke up his first marriage, not Patsy.

 

[DeeDee249]

I kind of disagree there. her Home, every room was like something out of a magazine.
Where did you get the evidence or thought that she was a slob? She even put on her make up before going down to make the coffee LOL

Patsy still had her makeup on from the previous day. She had the clothes on, too. Patsy never went to bed that night after getting home from the White's.
Go back and take a look at the crime photos of the house on ACR. You'll see what we are talking about as far as the messy house. Police didn't do that- they weren't rummaging through the R's stuff, the police photographer took photos of the house AS IT LOOKED that morning, untouched by anyone. (except the body, unfortunately).

 

[BBB167893]

Do not go to a budget eyeglass store chain. Have your doctor check them out and make sure they were made correctly. Invest in GOOD lenses if using progressives. Get the ones with the widest usable field for the bifocal area.
If lens warranties are available buy them and use it for scratches or accidents during the warranty period.

I am an American Board of Opticians Certified (ABO) Optician.

Thanks, CathyR!

 

[BBB167893]

I see that as justification to turn on her. He can also say how manipulative, materialistic etc about her and say she targeted him, ruined his 1 st marriage and on and on. He was fooled by her, play up his role as victim.

Perhaps I did not word that as well as I should have. That tactic might work, CathyR, if PR had been the "other woman." She wasn't. Some people think she was, but JR had been divorced for a while before they met.