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[Eagle1]

She might have done it if it was something she usually did and had perhaps grown to be a habit. My grandmother always said prayers in bed and was convinced that if she didn't, that something bad would happen to her. I suppose that's a bit like superstition.

This reminds me, regarding Pat Robertson's yearly antics, being discussed on TV last night or the night before, the Word was "once and for all delivered unto the saints" via the ancient prophets and then the apostles. There are dire warnings in the last book of the Bible not to add one word to it or take away one word from it. Sounds like there are no more genuine prophets, right? Shouldn't P.R. know that?

But a lot of us can vouch for getting something we asked for.

 

[icedtea4me]

Now (the bugaboo bit) - the Ramseys left for the Whites' at 4-ish so if JonBenet had eaten the pineapple BEFORE she left for the Whites, then it means she died very shortly after arriving home - i.e. at the 5 hour edge of the 2-5 hour digestion period. However, John Ramsey and Burke didn't go to bed until some time after 10 because according to John, they made a model together before going to bed.

John and Patsy each stated to the detectives there that morning that 10:00 p.m. was the last time they saw JonBenet. Yet, on pg. 9 of DOI, John wrote "At about 9:30 I led Burke upstairs and got him ready for bed, then tucked him in and turned out the light. I went up to our room on the third floor, which we had converted from an attic to a master suite in 1993. Patsy was already in bed."


-Tea

 

[JMO8778]

John and Patsy each stated to the detectives there that morning that 10:00 p.m. was the last time they saw JonBenet. Yet, on pg. 9 of DOI, John wrote "At about 9:30 I led Burke upstairs and got him ready for bed, then tucked him in and turned out the light. I went up to our room on the third floor, which we had converted from an attic to a master suite in 1993. Patsy was already in bed."


-Tea

I always thought it odd that JR tells what all *he did b/f going to bed,but not a word about what PR did.

 

[JMO8778]

My understanding is the office of special prosecutor could indeed compel anyone to be interviewed ..... What they cannot do is hold Burke criminally liable in anyway for any action or statement as he was only 10 at the time. Only any statements he may or may not have made since acquiring the age to be held liable could become an issue. However here is my personal take on this. Burke will never speak. I think he is headed for a breakdown of somekind eventually if what we suspect is true. How can it possibly be avoided? I think he is going to sail along swimmingly till he marries and has kids of his own.....but someday something will trigger.... and if it hasn't been dealt with ....... It will have to be dealt with. You can't leave something like this unvisited for a lifetime. Actually if Colorado ever does appoint a special prosecutor and things really come out again. That has got to be a hard thing for Burke. Would have to be. Or one would think so. JMHO.

There are several self-defense mechanisms the mind uses,such as denial,distancing,disassociation or even memory loss,etc.I'm not a Dr.,but I think it would depend on what form works best for him,and for how long he can keep it up,until he has to deal with it someday.
Right now,being in college and w. the loss of his mom,I doubt he can comprehend anything more.It may not be until after JR passes that he'll be able to be more objective and deal with it.
IMO,I think he'll end up in therapy someday.

I have to wonder why he wasn't afraid though...did he see what triggered everything,yet blocked it out? And so coming from a subconcious level,he conciously wasn't afraid? (As in,that won't happen to me,b/c I don't act the way JB did,or I don't do the things JB did(like soil the bed maybe?),etc.) He seemed to have reasoned it out somehow.He definitely didn't seem to fear an intruder,as most kids would be afraid someone would return and harm them, too.

 

[coloradokares]

There are several self-defense mechanisms the mind uses,such as denial,distancing,disassociation or even memory loss,etc.I'm not a Dr.,but I think it would depend on what form works best for him,and for how long he can keep it up,until he has to deal with it someday.
Right now,being in college and w. the loss of his mom,I doubt he can comprehend anything more.It may not be until after JR passes that he'll be able to be more objective and deal with it.
IMO,I think he'll end up in therapy someday.

I have to wonder why he wasn't afraid though...did he see what triggered everything,yet blocked it out? And so coming from a subconcious level,he conciously wasn't afraid? (As in,that won't happen to me,b/c I don't act the way JB did,or I don't do the things JB did(like soil the bed maybe?),etc.) He seemed to have reasoned it out somehow.He definitely didn't seem to fear an intruder,as most kids would be afraid someone would return and harm them, too.

Yeah, I am thinking there has to come that day that trigger that one incident.....and meltdown is an understatement.

 

[BBB167893]

Seriously, do you believe JonBenets murder will ever be solved?

I do, but not prosecuted.

Maybe, but how long have people been talking about a special prosecutor?
When is that going to happen exactly?

Ask Bill Ritter when he takes office.

What do you think the marks are on JB that some have called stun gun marks?

I'll stick with the rings until something better comes along.

Where do you think JB was assaulted and killed?

Her bedroom.

Also,was there likely a scream heard coming from the basement or not?

Not.

Who do you think killed her and why?

Until something better comes along, I'll say (why do I feel like I'm playing CLUE?) that it was Patsy due to an overstressed mind, possibly coupled with misplaced atruism and her own need for the spectacular.

Was JB's body hidden and then later moved to the WC?

I doubt it.

Do you think JR helped PR write the RN?(as in,dictated parts of it to her).

I have serious doubts about that.

Did you think FW really said 'you know what I have to do now,John?' and if so,what could he have meant by that?

Maybe, but I think he meant he had to be up front with the police like Marc Klaas was.

Do you think he knows anything,and if so,any idea what that could be?

I think he has something to say about when her body was found.

Do you think JB was being molested and if so,was it possibly by someone other than JR?(like PR's father).

I do, and there are some times when I wonder...

1. Do you have a link to an interview where Patsy is questioned about possible sexual abuse by her father?

I think I do. Try acandyrose.com first. www.jonbenetindexguide.com is also good.

2. Do you have a link to where JR and/or PR stated that Burk was awake at the time of the initial 911 call?

Acandyrose.com NE interview.

3. Have you heard of any person (s), be it family, friend (s), business colleague (s), acquaintances, or anyone at all who first lived in or near Atlanta and moved to Boulder after the Ramseys did? If so, can you suggest a link to the info?

Not a thing.

1. Why do you think a seemingly intelligent person like Mary Lacy has looked at the same facts as we have and yet has not entertained any suspicions of Ramsey involvement in murder and/or cover up? Or, do you think Lacy hasn't looked at the facts at all, and if not, why hasn't she?

I KNOW she hasn't examined the facts. She has refused to speak with people who might have important information, and is most likely being led a-dance by the "investgators" working for her. Also, she's a radical feminist who, according to Frank Coffman, refused in the beginning to consider Patsy a suspect because she's a woman. Shameful.

2. Why is it that when I look at PR's handwriting samples as compared to the RN, it seems very clear that the handwriting matches (especially with certain letters written in a very distinctive style - like "q") yet early handwriting analysis failed to conclusively match PR's writing to the RN?

That one's open: we have no idea how extensive the examinations were, what was done to them, what they compared, etc.

Why do the people so-called in charge of the investigation today not pursue further analysis of the handwriting?

One of the investigators answered that: because handwriting is more based on who can be eliminated rather than matched.

3. Why do the current investigators seem to be doing zero investigating at all?

Because then they don't have to answer questions.

Now that Burke is an adult, is there any way a real investigation (as opposed to the non-investigation that is currently underway) could compel him to be interviewed about anything he might remember from that night/morning?

They could try, but he has the same rights as anyone else.

.

 

[twinkiesmom]

Do you think Pam Paugh might crack under intensive questioning? Her statement "Victory" after Patsy's passing was very telling, and JR appears t have little connection to the Paughs right now.

 

[Tricia]

Quote:
1. Why do you think a seemingly intelligent person like Mary Lacy has looked at the same facts as we have and yet has not entertained any suspicions of Ramsey involvement in murder and/or cover up? Or, do you think Lacy hasn't looked at the facts at all, and if not, why hasn't she?

SuperDave said, "I KNOW she hasn't examined the facts. She has refused to speak with people who might have important information, and is most likely being led a-dance by the "investigators" working for her. Also, she's a radical feminist who, according to Frank Coffman, refused in the beginning to consider Patsy a suspect because she's a woman. Shameful".

Also, she's a radical feminist who, according to Frank Coffman, refused in the beginning to consider Patsy a suspect because she's a woman.

SuperDave, you have hit the nail on the very dense thick skull.

People this is very important. SuperDave has brought to our attention the simple reason as to why Lacy won't ever look at Patsy. It's obscene to say the least.

 

[julianne]

Mary Lacy being a "radical feminist who refused, in the beginning, to consider Patsy a suspect"----to me that is an argument without merit because if she was aligning herself with Patsy based solely upon Patsy being a female, then why wouldn't she have aligned herself with the FEMALE JonBenet, a victim, in an effort to ensure justice for her fellow female--an innocent female child, at that?

I think that whether or not she is a "radical feminist" doesn't apply because both the victim AND the person some believe to be the perp are both females. If the victim was a male, then the feminist theory and Lacy standing by the woman may be plausible.

Whatever the reason for Lacys actions, or in this case inactions, I just don't think feminism can be applied in this case.

 

[JMO8778]

I think what they're saying is that ML believes PR can't be the killer b/c she is a woman..nevermind the sex of the victim.JMO.

 

[rashomon]

I have read somewhere (but don't recall where) that coroner Dr. Meyer said JonBenet obviously had been digitally penetrated.
Since this is not in Meyer's autopsy report - do you remember when and where he said that and could direct me to the source?
For even if he said this e. g. during the autopsy to Linda Arndt, shouldn't such crucial info have shown up in his autopsy report too?

Or was this a later statement of Dr. Meyer's - could it be that he changed his mind?

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Here ya go, guys, I've searched for this before and had it bookmarked:

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

bottom section, left side of page, with heading "1997 January 30 thru February 5, 1997, at 12:10 P.M. - Search Warrant - Inventory of Property removed from 755 15th Street"

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she witnessed the autopsy of JonBenet Ramsey which was conducted by Dr. John Meyer on December 26, 1996. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury consistent with digital penetration of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that is was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact.

 

[rashomon]

Here ya go, guys, I've searched for this before and had it bookmarked:

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-thebody.htm

bottom section, left side of page, with heading "1997 January 30 thru February 5, 1997, at 12:10 P.M. - Search Warrant - Inventory of Property removed from 755 15th Street"

Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she witnessed the autopsy of JonBenet Ramsey which was conducted by Dr. John Meyer on December 26, 1996. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury consistent with digital penetration of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that is was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact.

Nuisanceposter, thanks so much once again for your help! The thorough research you have done on the JBR case is simply awesome.

 

[L L & S]

I invite all opinions on this question, not just from "the Super" one.

I have followed JBR's case off and on through the years. I will admit that when JMK had his 15 minutes it piqued my interest again. I started reading more about the case and have spent a lot of time here, at FFJ and acandyrose. All of the information that the long time sleuthers on these formus have posted is a facinating read. There are some seriously dedicated people out there looking for justice for this little beauty queen. Hats off to Jayelles and her work with the model on FFJ.

At one time I owned a copy of DOI. It sat on the shelf collecting dust for so long that I finally got rid of it. (I probably took it to the used bookstore and traded it in for store credit). Now, I wish I had it.

What I plan on doing to zipping over to my local used book store and see what they have to offer on the JBR case.

My question to you is......

in your opinions what are the three best books written about JonBenet's murder, and why? TIA!!

:clap: to the posters here and at FFJ and a few others. Amazing, to say the least!

 

[Toltec]

Death of Innocence......(getting to know the Ramseys)

Perfect Murder, Perfect Town....(getting to hear town gossip)

Inside the Ramsey Investigation....(getting to know some case facts and evidence)

THE MOST IMPORTANT BOOK:

JonBenet, the Police Files....National Enquiror.....(interrogation of the Ramseys and their inconsistent statements)

 

[BBB167893]

My question to you is......

in your opinions what are the three best books written about JonBenet's murder, and why? TIA!!

JB: ITRMI because it outlines the problems besieging the case

PMPT because it's so thorough

NE book because it's undeniable.

Mary Lacy being a "radical feminist who refused, in the beginning, to consider Patsy a suspect"----to me that is an argument without merit because if she was aligning herself with Patsy based solely upon Patsy being a female, then why wouldn't she have aligned herself with the FEMALE JonBenet, a victim, in an effort to ensure justice for her fellow female--an innocent female child, at that?

Because, as any prosecutor will tell you, julianne, live victims make better PR than dead ones. I'm afraid this one sticks to ML like Krazy Glue.

I honestly don't think Pam has anything to add anyway.

 

[angelwngs]

I agree!! To make it look like some jealous foreign dude came in and murdered his daugther. So, not only did the intruder come in, find a writing utensil, notepad, rope and duct tape, write a three page ransom letter, took the time to move JB from her bed and into the basement, sexually assault her using Patsy's paintbrush, wipe her down, redress her in in huge panties that he had to search the house to find, fashion a garotte, bash her on the head, find a blanket, that was in the dryer, to wrap her in.....he ALSO took the time to put NO, NO, NO on a picture, and circle John's picture with a heart. (Guess that was supposed to be a match to the heart drawn on JB's hand).

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What was the size of the heart on JBR's hand and what was the size of the heart drawn on the picture? Were both drawn using the same marker/writing instrument? What was the exact location of the heart on her hand? Does anyone have a photo of the heart on both the hand and the picture??? Could the heart on JBR's hand not have been drawn on it, but transferred from the wet ink on the picture as she wrote no's on the other photo's???

Reguardless of whether it was a transfer or two different drawings of hearts, I would put my money on a 6 year old drawing the hearts.
Unless a multiple personality family member was regressing to one of the child personalities.... I still think that MPD is a distinct possibility for all the secrets and lies in this case.... Just my opinion...but a possibility...given PR's previous family history of suggested 'abuse'.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Here's the heart on the hand picture.

http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenethandheart.jpg

I have no idea about the magazine picture with the heart over JR. It was from a local journal, the Boulder Business Report. On page 1A of the October 1995 issue there was a picture of the four Esprit award winners, and someone had drawn Xs over the faces of the other three people and a heart around JR's. JR felt sure that the intruder had brought that magazine in with him.

I think it's entirely likely the R family would own a copy of a magazine in which JR was featured as an award winner, and considering it was the Oct 95 issue of that magazine, I'm also sure that those Xs and heart could have been drawn on there anytime prior to the night JB was killed.

 

[angelwngs]

Here's the heart on the hand picture.

http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenethandheart.jpg

I have no idea about the magazine picture with the heart over JR. It was from a local journal, the Boulder Business Report. On page 1A of the October 1995 issue there was a picture of the four Esprit award winners, and someone had drawn Xs over the faces of the other three people and a heart around JR's. JR felt sure that the intruder had brought that magazine in with him.

I think it's entirely likely the R family would own a copy of a magazine in which JR was featured as an award winner, and considering it was the Oct 95 issue of that magazine, I'm also sure that those Xs and heart could have been drawn on there anytime prior to the night JB was killed.

No doubt, Nuisance, x's could have been drawn on anytime prior. After looking at the "heart" on JBR's sweet little hand in your link, it does NOT look at all as if it was a marker transfer from wet ink. Thanks for the link, it totally answered my question...
Seeing that precious little hand infuriates me... It brings up anger that there is still no justice for her. When you look at the hand it is also difficult to imagine the trauma that took place prior to that photo. That little hand shows no evidence of struggle. If we didn't know she was gone, we could easily imagine those little fingers moving, playing, and alive. She should be a teenager now...doing teenager things, living life...

Look at the arm of the shirt. The dirt spots could very well have come from the WC and moving from point A to point B, but in the picture, the entire arm of the shirt is obviously a very dingy white. Sloppy, negligent, and a host of other negative adjectives pop into my head...

 

[Solace]

No doubt, Nuisance, x's could have been drawn on anytime prior. After looking at the "heart" on JBR's sweet little hand in your link, it does NOT look at all as if it was a marker transfer from wet ink. Thanks for the link, it totally answered my question...
Seeing that precious little hand infuriates me... It brings up anger that there is still no justice for her. When you look at the hand it is also difficult to imagine the trauma that took place prior to that photo. That little hand shows no evidence of struggle. If we didn't know she was gone, we could easily imagine those little fingers moving, playing, and alive. She should be a teenager now...doing teenager things, living life...

Look at the arm of the shirt. The dirt spots could very well have come from the WC and moving from point A to point B, but in the picture, the entire arm of the shirt is obviously a very dingy white. Sloppy, negligent, and a host of other negative adjectives pop into my head...

I agree angelwings. You don't realize how small she actually was until you see her hand. She was tiny. The shirt could have been worn all day and gotten dirty though. didn't they say she wore it all day and there are pictures of her wearing it at the Fleets, although I have not seen them.