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[Ames]

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Seeing that precious little hand infuriates me... It brings up anger that there is still no justice for her. When you look at the hand it is also difficult to imagine the trauma that took place prior to that photo. That little hand shows no evidence of struggle. If we didn't know she was gone, we could easily imagine those little fingers moving, playing, and alive. She should be a teenager now...doing teenager things, living life...

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I hate looking at those autopsy photos. Your post above brought tears to my eyes. Poor little Jonbenet.

 

[Ames]

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What was the size of the heart on JBR's hand and what was the size of the heart drawn on the picture? Were both drawn using the same marker/writing instrument? What was the exact location of the heart on her hand? Does anyone have a photo of the heart on both the hand and the picture??? Could the heart on JBR's hand not have been drawn on it, but transferred from the wet ink on the picture as she wrote no's on the other photo's???

Reguardless of whether it was a transfer or two different drawings of hearts, I would put my money on a 6 year old drawing the hearts.
Unless a multiple personality family member was regressing to one of the child personalities.... I still think that MPD is a distinct possibility for all the secrets and lies in this case.... Just my opinion...but a possibility...given PR's previous family history of suggested 'abuse'.

Some IDI say that the "intruder" drew the "heart"...but, since it doesn't look like one, and IF its supposed to be one, then it was drawn my a six year old's hand. It DOES look like a heart that a child that age would draw.

 

[Toltec]

The picture of her hand shows dirty fingernails.

The "heart" itself is not connected in the middle. You see that someone drew over several times around the curve of the heart.

According to John, the same red ink on JonBenet's hand was also used to draw on the magazine article.

Does anyone know if JonBenet could write? I do know that she could write her name....but if you look at her writing, the letters of her name are big and small.

Compare it to the "NO" written on the magazine article...I've never seen the magazine article so a side-by-side comparison would be difficult. Too bad.

 

[Ames]

The picture of her hand shows dirty fingernails.

The "heart" itself is not connected in the middle. You see that someone drew over several times around the curve of the heart.

According to John, the same red ink on JonBenet's hand was also used to draw on the magazine article.

Does anyone know if JonBenet could write? I do know that she could write her name....but if you look at her writing, the letters of her name are big and small.

Compare it to the "NO" written on the magazine article...I've never seen the magazine article so a side-by-side comparison would be difficult. Too bad.

Okay, so I would love to know how John KNOWS that the ink is the same? Sounds like he is just making stuff up, to fit with that stupid "intruder" theory. If the ink is the same, it just proves that the pen was in their house, same as the pad, the sharpie, the duct tape, the rope, the flashlight, the paintbrush, the....need I go on? It doesn't mean that the SAME person that drew the heart on JB's hand, is the same person that drew in the magazine. And WHY would an intruder bring in a magazine with him (as John implied), but yet...he brought nothing else? No weapons, rope, etc. He just hoped that he would find what he needed to do his dirty work, there at the Ramsey's house. Also, why would an intruder put no on all of the other pictures, but draw a heart around John's picture? I thought that the "intruder" HATED John, why would he draw a heart around his picture? Wouldn't he have either crossed his face out with a big X, or something like that? Thats what I would have done....and when I was little, I went through my yearbook and drew X's on people's faces that I didn't like...and hearts around people's pictures that I DID like. So, John wants us to think that the "intruder" brought his OWN magazine into the Ramsey's house, and even though he hated John to the point of murdering his daughter...he drew a HEART around John's picture? YEAH...WHATEVER! :liar: And one other thing, since I am on a roll here...LOL....Why would the "intruder" say that they were a small foreign faction, in the ransom note.... but yet....use things in the Ramsey's house to commit the murder and try to "frame" them...as some IDI's think? Either they were a small foreign faction, or they weren't. My guess is...the foreign faction is actually not foreign afterall.....JOHN AND PATSY.

 

[BBB167893]

Foreign to Boulder is the way I take it!

 

[Ames]

Foreign to Boulder is the way I take it!

AMEN to that! And small...as in TWO people....JOHN AND PATSY.

 

[Eagle1]

..... ......and when I was little, I went through my yearbook and drew X's on people's faces that I didn't like...and hearts around people's pictures that I DID like.

So, John wants us to think that the "intruder" brought his OWN magazine into the Ramsey's house, and even though he hated John to the point of murdering his daughter...he drew a HEART around John's picture?...

Sounds like a young person, for sure, but you were at least a senior in h.s. before you had a yearbook, right? I always assumed JonBenet or Burke did the x's and drew around their dad's picture.

Haven't we all agreed that some of the acquaintances could have been carrying on some kind of game and the Ramseys just didn't believe JonBenet, or that, due to something Nedra said, they figured it was "only a little bit" and let it go on? Of course pedo rings could have been exchanging pictures of her, and could also have been involved. We've agreed Karr didn't do it but could have been with someone, and maybe that someone knew someone among the friends. I really think it was someone who was at the party on the 23rd, and JonBenet was putting her foot down, trying to call 911 because grownups, not even her parents, weren't taking her seriously.

 

[Ames]

..... ......and when I was little, I went through my yearbook and drew X's on people's faces that I didn't like...and hearts around people's pictures that I DID like.

So, John wants us to think that the "intruder" brought his OWN magazine into the Ramsey's house, and even though he hated John to the point of murdering his daughter...he drew a HEART around John's picture?...

Sounds like a young person, for sure, but you were at least a senior in h.s. before you had a yearbook, right? I always assumed JonBenet or Burke did the x's and drew around their dad's picture.

Haven't we all agreed that some of the acquaintances could have been carrying on some kind of game and the Ramseys just didn't believe JonBenet, or that, due to something Nedra said, they figured it was "only a little bit" and let it go on? Of course pedo rings could have been exchanging pictures of her, and could also have been involved. We've agreed Karr didn't do it but could have been with someone, and maybe that someone knew someone among the friends. I really think it was someone who was at the party on the 23rd, and JonBenet was putting her foot down, trying to call 911 because grownups, not even her parents, weren't taking her seriously.

LOL...yes, I was in ELEMENTARY school, when I did that.

 

[BBB167893]

Are there any direct questions?

 

[Darlene733510]

SD - I know you have read all the books on the JB case, and I also consider you a great source of information.

I read somewhere that JB did not go outside and ride her bike on Christmas day, but Burke was seen riding his. This same site is where I read stated that JR, in DOI, remarked that he would always rerget the fact that JB asked him to go out with her to ride her bike, and he did not go. Was this mentioned in DOI?

I also read that JB was confined to her room on Christmas day, but she did have some visitors there.
Did you hear this? If this is true, I wonder if JB was ill, or sent to her room as a punishment for something. I keep thinking of the 911 call on the 23rd, and wonder if she was upset about something, or sent to her room for other reasons. Would a child be punished possibly because she did not like the doll she rec'd. for Christmas?

Where I read this may have been geocities or a candy rose.

What can you tell me about this?

Last question - Why were all the lawsuits the Ramsey's
filed in Burke's name, and not theirs?

 

[Veronica10]

SD -

Something I have always wondered about and would like your opinion...in John and Patsy's private moments in the years after JB's death, do you think there were ever times they honestly discussed what occurred the evening of 12/26/96 or do you think they always maintained (pretended) the intruder theory even when they were alone? I just wonder what their "pillow talk" was throughout the entire ordeal. Do you think they ever truly talked about JBR and what happened?

 

[Nuisanceposter]

That's a good question, and one I've wondered as well.

 

[Ames]

That's a good question, and one I've wondered as well.

The people that they spent the night with...after the murder (the Fernies?)....had put a noise making machine into the bedroom where the Ramsey's slept that night....to help them "SLEEP". John has said that they thought that the room was bugged, and if it was..the only thing that anyone would hear would have been the humming sound of that machine. I am sure that they had one heck of a pillow talk that night.....maybe THAT was the reason for the noise machine....and not to help them sleep..afterall. WOW...if only I could have been a fly on the wall that night.

 

[KBUK]

SD,

I've read there was an "odour" within I believe JB's bathroom, that many attributed to PR dying JB's hair. Was this ever confirmed?

I ask because I recently had an accident and was given domestic amonia to clear stains from my carpet and it smelt exactly the same as the chemicals used in hair dye/ perming solution. Could someone have been "cleaning" in that bathroom instead?

 

[BBB167893]

I've read there was an "odour" within I believe JB's bathroom, that many attributed to PR dying JB's hair. Was this ever confirmed?

I'm not entirely sure.

I read somewhere that JB did not go outside and ride her bike on Christmas day, but Burke was seen riding his. This same site is where I read stated that JR, in DOI, remarked that he would always rerget the fact that JB asked him to go out with her to ride her bike, and he did not go. Was this mentioned in DOI?

I think it was. It's been a while since I opened that piece of junk.

I also read that JB was confined to her room on Christmas day, but she did have some visitors there.
Did you hear this? If this is true, I wonder if JB was ill, or sent to her room as a punishment for something. I keep thinking of the 911 call on the 23rd, and wonder if she was upset about something, or sent to her room for other reasons. Would a child be punished possibly because she did not like the doll she rec'd. for Christmas?

No, I'd say she was lying down to be up for the party that night.

Last question - Why were all the lawsuits the Ramsey's
filed in Burke's name, and not theirs?

I guess because they knew he didn't do it, wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.

in John and Patsy's private moments in the years after JB's death, do you think there were ever times they honestly discussed what occurred the evening of 12/26/96 or do you think they always maintained (pretended) the intruder theory even when they were alone? I just wonder what their "pillow talk" was throughout the entire ordeal. Do you think they ever truly talked about JBR and what happened?

Probably not unless they had to. The police wanted to bug there home and telephone. Wish they had.

 

[rashomon]

From BlueCrab today's post on the "What was John wearing ..." thread?

Yes, according to evidence from the police interviews, Burke and JonBenet, in the middle of the night after the parents had gone to bed, were sitting together in their usual seats at the breakfast room table. JonBenet snacked from the bowl of fresh pineapple sitting on the table in front of her, and Burke drank iced tea from a waterglass sitting in front of him. Burke's fingerprints were on the bowl of pineapple and on the big spoon sticking out of the bowl of pineapple.

Is this true? Were Burke's fingerprints found on the bowl and on the spoon?

 

[Solace]

From BlueCrab today's post on the "What was John wearing ..." thread?

Is this true? Were Burke's fingerprints found on the bowl and on the spoon?

Rash: The following is from an article by 48 Hours.

"(CBS) On June 23, 1998, 18 months after JonBenet was murdered, John and Patsy Ramsey, sitting in separate rooms at the same time, were questioned by Boulder authorities in a Colorado Police Station. The tapes have never been seen publicly - until 48 Hours Investigates aired them.

John’s interrogator was Lou Smit, a homicide detective working for the Boulder DA’s office. Detective Tom Haney questioned Patsy, who at the time was taking medication for both anxiety and depression.

There isn’t a lot of physical evidence against either John or Patsy Ramsey. So the investigators were looking for inconsistencies and focusing on minute details from the crime scene.

Smit asked Patsy questions about pineapple that her daughter ate before being murdered. Autopsy results found undigested pineapple in JonBenet’s stomach. And police discovered fingerprints on a bowl of pineapple left in the family’s dining room on the morning of the murder.

“I didn’t put the bowl there. OK? I didn’t put the bowl there,” Patsy told Smit.

“But now, I’m telling you they are not somebody else’s. I’m telling that they belong to the one of two of you,” Haney responded.

“Well, I don’t know. I did not put that there. No,” Patsy said.

It was Patsy’s fingerprints on the bowl — according to police — suggesting that Patsy gave the fruit to her daughter. But if Patsy did give it to her, and was lying about it, the investigators wondered, could she be lying about everything

 

[Show Me]

Yeah Burke's fingerprints were on the bowl but not JonBenets oddly enough.

Patsy didn't recognize her bowl, she touched...so is Patsy saying the intruder carried her down the stairs, while she was asleep, and put her fingers on the bowl?

Patsy touched the bowl, but didn't recognize the bowl and didn't serve pineapple to JonBenet when they got home 'cause Patsy told us JonBenet was asleep...

So once again Patsy is lying.

 

[Camper]

Just popping in, I have not even been lurking since I sent my timeline and theory off to some folks who have the ability to dig deeper. AFTER ten years day and night, I am done. Our noises meant nothing to DA Hunter, Gov. Owens, the new DA.

I am convinced someone in the Ramsey home Christmas night had a major meltdown, with or withoutalcohol.


Without alcohol. most likely PR.
With, most likely my suspect.

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[UKGuy]

Yeah Burke's fingerprints were on the bowl but not JonBenets oddly enough.

Patsy didn't recognize her bowl, she touched...so is Patsy saying the intruder carried her down the stairs, while she was asleep, and put her fingers on the bowl?

Patsy touched the bowl, but didn't recognize the bowl and didn't serve pineapple to JonBenet when they got home 'cause Patsy told us JonBenet was asleep...

So once again Patsy is lying.

Show Me,

What you reckon, somehow her fingerprints are magicked onto the bowl, a bowl she denies ever seeing before? Similar applies to Burke.

Just why would Patsy want to distance herself from JonBenet's pineapple snack, where is the milage in that?

After all she is on record stating JonBenet was placed sleeping into bed.

Evidence is evidence it either confirms or denies events.


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