Atlantic City Eastbound Strangler 4 Women Found Dead behind Motel Egg Harbor Twp, Nov 2006

[cynical_1]

Exactly. It makes no sense that in a city where everything is caught on camera, these girls all got into a car with a SK and ended up murdered but yet nobody saw a thing.

Aside from the black Nissan Maxima, no one has stated that they saw any of these victims get into a car during the time these murders were happening.

I keep referring back to Gary Ridgway as a point of reference because I think there are similarities between this case and his. Interesting article here about his case.
http://www.alternet.org/story/17171/the_truth_about_the_green_river_killer

Below are some of the more interesting statements.

“In April 1983, the boyfriend of 16-year-old Kimi-Kai Pitsor told police that she had gotten into an older green Ford pickup truck, and he described the driver. Ridgway's girlfriend at the time owned an older, light-green Ford. (Four years later, Pitsor's boyfriend picked Ridgway's photo out of a montage.)”

“Then, in May 1983, Marie Malvar, 18, disappeared after getting in Ridgway's truck. Malvar's boyfriend actually took police to Ridgway's house four days later, and then identified the pickup he saw Malvar get into. When two detectives questioned Ridgway, he actually admitted to picking up prostitutes, but denied any contact with Malvar. Despite the eyewitness identification, the neighborly, upstanding Ridgway was left alone.”

“In 1984, Rebecca Garde Guay actually came forward to police to say that she had been assaulted two years prior by a man who tried to kill her with a chokehold. Not only did Guay know Ridgway's place of employment (he had shown her an identification card), but she also picked him out of a book of photos. What's worse, Ridgway had the sheer gall to admit having "dated" Guay and even choking her.

But by then, Guay no longer wanted to pursue charges. She became the only known survivor of the Green River Killer. Perhaps she was afraid of being hunted down, or perhaps she just knew that she wouldn't be believed. And in this way, Ridgway was allowed to return to his life, killing many dozens more young women along the way.”

Concerning this AC case, four women disappearing in a populated area along Pacific Ave or Tennessee Ave. and no witnesses to any of it. Sometimes I get the sense that this may have been an inside job.

 

[Muttley]

By the way, thank you for the compliment. Sometimes I think I post too much and am hogging this thread. But I do have a considerable amount of information accumulated concerning this case and it doesn't do any good if I don't put it out there publicly for myself and others to interpret.

I never feel that you are posting too much, I look forward to see what has developed with this case and to read your speculation of how things are connected and what most likely occurred. It's obvious that you do have a lot of information and incite in this case and are actively looking for answers and I love to see where your line of thinking leads. If you had the information that LE has, I have no doubt you would figure out this case.

 

[cynical_1]

I never feel that you are posting too much, I look forward to see what has developed with this case and to read your speculation of how things are connected and what most likely occurred. It's obvious that you do have a lot of information and incite in this case and are actively looking for answers and I love to see where your line of thinking leads. If you had the information that LE has, I have no doubt you would figure out this case.

Thanks, you've posted a considerable amount of insight as well concerning the Golden Key.

I earlier speculated that it's beginning to feel like an inside job to me. By that I mean that the SK is possibly someone that these women knew and trusted enough to take a ride with. - Just my opinion

 

[Muttley]

Thanks, you've posted a considerable amount of insight as well concerning the Golden Key.

I earlier speculated that it's beginning to feel like an inside job to me. By that I mean that the SK is possibly someone that these women knew and trusted enough to take a ride with. - Just my opinion

Interesting speculation, brainstorming with you...
Someone the women knew enough to take a ride with and not stand out in anyone's mind if they happen to see these women getting into a vehicle. On the "track" I'm sure the other working girls would take note if they wanted to have each other's back or needed info for a pimp asking where she was seen last. With some of the victims it wasn't noticed they were missing right away and the thinking was maybe they left town.

I would think within the "community" there would be idle chat like "where's 'so-and-so' lately, haven't seen her" and "oh last I saw her was 'with ___' " or "getting into a black Nissan Maxima with out of state plates" which I cannot find the article that I recall mentions the "out of state plates".

Of course an easy way to spot out of state plates in Jersey, since Jersey and New York require front and rear plates, bordering Delaware and PA do not require front plates. So of course if you see the front of the vehicle, no plate means out of state. "What state? I don't know, I only saw the front".

So back to the "and yet nobody saw anything" situation we have here, does point to it being someone they knew, trusted to certain extent, and maybe not too noticeable an event for them to be getting into or seen with the SK. There was definitely a vehicle involved. I keep getting a work truck, no windows in the back, tradesman looking truck, blends in with all the other panel work service or delivery trucks out and about. I don't see anything unique about the vehicle like a company name, it would not work if it stood out too much, dark in color works better at night behind the Golden Key. Thinking of Cynical_1's connection to the Soup kitchen, could it be someone who did work or delivered there often? Someone who they might often catch a ride with going up or down the avenue?

As always, my opinion, just trying a line of thinking.

 

[cynical_1]

So back to the "and yet nobody saw anything" situation we have here, does point to it being someone they knew, trusted to certain extent, and maybe not too noticeable an event for them to be getting into or seen with the SK. There was definitely a vehicle involved. I keep getting a work truck, no windows in the back, tradesman looking truck, blends in with all the other panel work service or delivery trucks out and about. I don't see anything unique about the vehicle like a company name, it would not work if it stood out too much, dark in color works better at night behind the Golden Key. Thinking of Cynical_1's connection to the Soup kitchen, could it be someone who did work or delivered there often? Someone who they might often catch a ride with going up or down the avenue?

As always, my opinion, just trying a line of thinking.

Ironic that you mention trucks and the soup kitchen. Just this morning I was checking on news reports for deliveries to the soup kitchen and came across this article.

"Every day, the Food Bank delivers leftovers from Trump Taj Mahal to the church. On Fridays, Trump Marina, Trump Plaza and the Sands contribute leftovers."
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2002/dec/23/gamblers-help-themselves-at-atlantic-city-soup-kit/

Reading that description I took it that the driver making the delivery didn't necessarily work for the Taj Mahal but rather a Food Bank. A quick check and I found The Community Foodbank of New Jersey located at 6735 E Black Horse Pike.

 

[cynical_1]

Expanding a bit on the Food Bank angle, this article quotes Charles Coles as having last seen victim #3 Tracy Ann Roberts on Oct 27th, a Friday, outside the Sands

"Mr. Coles said he last saw Ms. Roberts on Oct. 27 outside the Sands casino, where she told him that she had recently been hospitalized after a man assaulted her and hurt her throat."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/25/nyregion/broken-lives-and-victims-in-shadow-of-taj-mahal.html

Another reports stated the same and mentioned that Mr. Coles remembered that date because it may have been the last day the Sands casino was in operation. It actually closed Nov 11th, 2006 but if he believed it was that date then maybe that's what made him remember it.

 

[Kellyd]

Expanding a bit on the Food Bank angle, this article quotes Charles Coles as having last seen victim #3 Tracy Ann Roberts on Oct 27th, a Friday, outside the Sands

"Mr. Coles said he last saw Ms. Roberts on Oct. 27 outside the Sands casino, where she told him that she had recently been hospitalized after a man assaulted her and hurt her throat."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/25/nyregion/broken-lives-and-victims-in-shadow-of-taj-mahal.html

Another reports stated the same and mentioned that Mr. Coles remembered that date because it may have been the last day the Sands casino was in operation. It actually closed Nov 11th, 2006 but if he believed it was that date then maybe that's what made him remember it.

Great article, I hadn't seen that one yet. Thank you!

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[cynical_1]

Great article, I hadn't seen that one yet. Thank you!

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From the same article:

Instead, they do their work in a nearby alley where old syringes and glass pipes crack underfoot, or in a vacant lot off Ocean Avenue, where a hand-painted sign urges, "Repent to Jesus."

Kind of tongue-in-cheek but I wonder if our boy painted that sign cause that's the kinda dude I think is responsible.

 

[Kellyd]

From the same article:

Instead, they do their work in a nearby alley where old syringes and glass pipes crack underfoot, or in a vacant lot off Ocean Avenue, where a hand-painted sign urges, "Repent to Jesus."

Kind of tongue-in-cheek but I wonder if our boy painted that sign cause that's the kinda dude I think is responsible.

I agree!

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[Kellyd]

I agree!

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To expand on that a bit, I think he was against drugs and was also a religious person... and very sick and demented as well.

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[cynical_1]

Interesting article by The NY Post dated November 25, 2006 concerning Tracy Ann Roberts.
http://nypost.com/2006/11/25/atl-city-gal-died-with-pal-2nd-strangler-victim/

'Friends of the second victim who saw her autopsy photo, said they are convinced she is a 23-year-old Philadelphia native, who was last seen by her roommate Oct 27.

“She was real pretty,” said Charles Coles, 40, who lived with the woman in an Atlantic City flophouse at the time she vanished. “Her and Kim were friends.”'

Later:

'The last time Coles saw the women was on Oct. 27 – which was a big night in the gambling mecca because the Sands casino was shutting down. He said that night, a trick went bad for the sex-world newcomer and she wound up going to an emergency room after a beating.

“A john punched her in the throat,” Coles said. “She was spitting blood and she had just gotten out [when he saw her]. She looked OK.”'

First off I'm going have to call Mr. Coles on his recollection of dates. In every report I've read it was Nov 8th that Ms. Roberts checked into a hospital so the Oct. 27th date doesn't cut it. Also The Sands Casino closed on Sat. Nov 11th and yes, I agree, it was a big deal that it was closing.

To a lot of folks, myself included, The Sands was their favorite casino. It was grungy enough but had a certain Rat Pack feel about it. The bartenders wore purple pork-pie hats and sometimes did those flips with the bottles that Tom Cruise did in that movie Cocktail. So it was sad when it was announced that it was closing.

Rumor had it that the slots were paying off big because they had to move the machines and that the dealers didn't care how much anyone won because they were headed to the unemployment line anyway. Rumors of course but it would be a lot more crowded than usual.

So, if the time-line is adjusted to fit known facts I could see Mr. Coles meeting up with Ms. Roberts on Friday the 10th of Nov. If she disappeared on that day it might be a bit longer than the Medical Examiners determination of her being in the ditch 'up to a week'. If it was that day then it would be 10 days.

As always, just my opinion.

 

[Kellyd]

Interesting article by The NY Post dated November 25, 2006 concerning Tracy Ann Roberts.
http://nypost.com/2006/11/25/atl-city-gal-died-with-pal-2nd-strangler-victim/

'Friends of the second victim who saw her autopsy photo, said they are convinced she is a 23-year-old Philadelphia native, who was last seen by her roommate Oct 27.

“She was real pretty,” said Charles Coles, 40, who lived with the woman in an Atlantic City flophouse at the time she vanished. “Her and Kim were friends.”'

Later:

'The last time Coles saw the women was on Oct. 27 – which was a big night in the gambling mecca because the Sands casino was shutting down. He said that night, a trick went bad for the sex-world newcomer and she wound up going to an emergency room after a beating.

“A john punched her in the throat,” Coles said. “She was spitting blood and she had just gotten out [when he saw her]. She looked OK.”'

First off I'm going have to call Mr. Coles on his recollection of dates. In every report I've read it was Nov 8th that Ms. Roberts checked into a hospital so the Oct. 27th date doesn't cut it. Also The Sands Casino closed on Sat. Nov 11th and yes, I agree, it was a big deal that it was closing.

To a lot of folks, myself included, The Sands was their favorite casino. It was grungy enough but had a certain Rat Pack feel about it. The bartenders wore purple pork-pie hats and sometimes did those flips with the bottles that Tom Cruise did in that movie Cocktail. So it was sad when it was announced that it was closing.

Rumor had it that the slots were paying off big because they had to move the machines and that the dealers didn't care how much anyone won because they were headed to the unemployment line anyway. Rumors of course but it would be a lot more crowded than usual.

So, if the time-line is adjusted to fit known facts I could see Mr. Coles meeting up with Ms. Roberts on Friday the 10th of Nov. If she disappeared on that day it might be a bit longer than the Medical Examiners determination of her being in the ditch 'up to a week'. If it was that day then it would be 10 days.

As always, just my opinion.

Wait, who is charles coles?

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[Kellyd]

Wait, who is charles coles?

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I see now... I went back... very interesting.

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[Kellyd]

I see now... I went back... very interesting.

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Does LE know he's Muslim?

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[cynical_1]

I see now... I went back... very interesting.

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Sometime I get a bit long-winded so I apologize for any confusion. My last post about the Sands casino was not so much an effort to point a finger at Charles Coles but more to place Tracy Ann Roberts at the Sands on a Friday.

Why I think that may be relevant is that earlier today I responded to a post by Muttley about delivery trucks and the soup kitchen. Somehow I think the soup kitchen is a focal point because it's mentioned in a lot of reports that I've read. It also might fit a religious fanatic type of involvement.

Anyhow, I made reference to a Food Bank that possibly makes daily deliveries to the kitchen from The Trump Taj Mahal. If it is the one I pointed out then it also happens to make deliveries from The Sands Casino on Fridays. Hopefully this will clarify a bit and again I apologize for any confusion.

I do think that Mr. Coles does know a lot more about what happened then he's ever let on about though.

 

[Kellyd]

Sometime I get a bit long-winded so I apologize for any confusion. My last post about the Sands casino was not so much an effort to point a finger at Charles Coles but more to place Tracy Ann Roberts at the Sands on a Friday.

Why I think that may be relevant is that earlier today I responded to a post by Muttley about delivery trucks and the soup kitchen. Somehow I think the soup kitchen is a focal point because it's mentioned in a lot of reports that I've read. It also might fit a religious fanatic type of involvement.

Anyhow, I made reference to a Food Bank that possibly makes daily deliveries to the kitchen from The Trump Taj Mahal. If it is the one I pointed out then it also happens to make deliveries from The Sands Casino on Fridays. Hopefully this will clarify a bit and again I apologize for any confusion.

I do think that Mr. Coles does know a lot more about what happened then he's ever let on about though.

No worries, I think I had him confused with Stallworth. I added him to my notes as I am very curious to know if LE knows he is Muslim, do you know?

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[cynical_1]

No worries, I think I had him confused with Stallworth. I added him to my notes as I am very curious to know if LE knows he is Muslim, do you know?

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Actually I believe his full name is Charles Ismail Coles and I do believe that authorities questioned him because he is Muslim. That and his close relationship with two of the victims.

 

[Kellyd]

Actually I believe his full name is Charles Ismail Coles and I do believe that authorities questioned him because he is Muslim. That and his close relationship with two of the victims.

Yes, he goes by just ismail coles on FB, last post was 10/9/16, he has an older page using charles ismail coles (2013).

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[Rachel1]

You must've posted at the same exact time I sent that link... Lol

Anyway, at least we're all on the same page

 

[Kellyd]

You must've posted at the same exact time I sent that link... Lol

Anyway, at least we're all on the same page

Thank goodness we are!

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