Atlantic City Eastbound Strangler 4 Women Found Dead behind Motel Egg Harbor Twp, Nov 2006

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Oh, how horrible for you :eek: I have a lot of those same life experiences which is what I draw from too. Have you seen the cases in Harford county, MD. I referred to? There is a thread for that one in the missing forum. That one might interest you too. I'm from that area and I believe LE dropped the ball on that one and there's a good possibility this is the same killer.

I know exactly what you mean about the dc snipers and that happened where I live as well. Didn't mean to imply you thought anyone with a foot fetish is deviant, I was actually just saying the ones to the extreme really do seem harmless and that may have been the impression these women had also and may have went somewhere with him that they wouldn't normally go.
 
strach304 said:
Oh, how horrible for you :eek: I have a lot of those same life experiences which is what I draw from too. Have you seen the cases in Harford county, MD. I referred to? There is a thread for that one in the missing forum. That one might interest you too. I'm from that area and I believe LE dropped the ball on that one and there's a good possibility this is the same killer.

I know exactly what you mean about the dc snipers and that happened where I live as well. Didn't mean to imply you thought anyone with a foot fetish is deviant, I was actually just saying the ones to the extreme really do seem harmless and that may have been the impression these women had also and may have went somewhere with him that they wouldn't normally go.
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I survived, but I learned more in that night than any book/show/etc will ever teach me. It was a nightmare, but somewhat empowering after the fact. I'm sure you can relate if you've faced similar.

I have not really seen many threads here, but I'll look around tomorrow. I found this place trying to search for info on the A.C. case. I am frustrated that it hasn't really reached the mainstream conscience. I do realize that these ladies are on the easily forgotten list, because of the paths they chose, but they were still something to someone.

At any rate, their story will be covered on Sat's AMW.

We are state "neighbors", I'm in Northern Va.

My wife was at the Home Depot the night Linda Franklin was murdered. Scary stuff. Only those of us who lived through that fully appreciate the terror it caused. I talked to people a few states away and to them it was like watching a TV movie. I suppose it would be like us following the Phoenix Serial Shooters case.

I agree with the foot fetishist assessment and I also believe that is why they may have let down their guard and ventured out to the Pike (Which is a Hell hole that words alone can not justify.). He probably offered double of what they normally saw, and they wouldn't even have to get undressed. Add that he's probably a decent looking guy and charming as well, and they didn't stand a chance. No, we foot guys aren't monsters on a whole, but look up Jerry Brudos or Dayton Leroy Rogers sometime.... yikes.

I am curious what was found in rm # 101 at the Golden Key, as well as the view from that room.

I also want to hear more about this mystery rental SUV, because I have a theory on that as well.
 
absynthminded1 said:
I survived, but I learned more in that night than any book/show/etc will ever teach me. It was a nightmare, but somewhat empowering after the fact. I'm sure you can relate if you've faced similar.

I have not really seen many threads here, but I'll look around tomorrow. I found this place trying to search for info on the A.C. case. I am frustrated that it hasn't really reached the mainstream conscience. I do realize that these ladies are on the easily forgotten list, because of the paths they chose, but they were still something to someone.

At any rate, their story will be covered on Sat's AMW.

We are state "neighbors", I'm in Northern Va.

My wife was at the Home Depot the night Linda Franklin was murdered. Scary stuff. Only those of us who lived through that fully appreciate the terror it caused. I talked to people a few states away and to them it was like watching a TV movie. I suppose it would be like us following the Phoenix Serial Shooters case.

I agree with the foot fetishist assessment and I also believe that is why they may have let down their guard and ventured out to the Pike (Which is a Hell hole that words alone can not justify.). He probably offered double of what they normally saw, and they wouldn't even have to get undressed. Add that he's probably a decent looking guy and charming as well, and they didn't stand a chance. No, we foot guys aren't monsters on a whole, but look up Jerry Brudos or Dayton Leroy Rogers sometime.... yikes.

I am curious what was found in rm # 101 at the Golden Key, as well as the view from that room.

I also want to hear more about this mystery rental SUV, because I have a theory on that as well.
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Welcome AM1...There is another thread regarding the SK that was just apprehended down in SLa. He also left his victims (23...so he confesses) w/o shoes...His murders were of a sexual nature but I believe he "dumped" <~ yes as in "trash" his victims because they were found in in cornfields, drainage ditches and one, I think, was actually in a trash bin. He says he killed them because he didn't want to go back to jail after raping them.
 
Ok... Now I have to chime in...

I don't really post too much but I am one of those foot fetish guys. Not the creepy type that bothers strangers or anything like that, but I do know that through my years of networking with likeminded folks that there are some guys who take it way too far, and I think that this case is exactly that.
I think that the best theory I have heard yet is what Absynthminded1 has said. I think that every aspect of the crime(s) revolves around this person's fetish.
I have never subscribed to the idea that Serial Killers (Especially those who kill prostitutes) ever do anything out of any conviction. I have never bought it when a killer says that he killed prostitutes because he hated them. It is only a way for them to justify the fact that they simply preyed on people who were easy. Another thing that I never ever believe is that someone kills for religious convictions. It is an excuse.
Unless the killings are motivated by money, or revenge, I believe that someone who kills multiple victims do it strictly for sexual purposes...
So I don't think that the positioning of the bodies really means anything. If their heads were positioned to the east, maybe it is because he approached from the west and did not want to see the faces of his victims.
I don't think that there is really too much behind it, but I think that the police are covering all of their bases by releasing the information.


I also think that the prostitute that has been being interviewed regarding the cell phone picture is not related. Someone had mentioned people who would have easy access to the crimescene and could return without raising suspisions, I wonder about people like the motel manager. I think that it is very likely that it is someone local and not a tourist or someone passing through, becuase of the timeframe that these crimes happened. It is someone who knows the area and would not raise too many eyebrows if they were spotted in the area of the crimescene.

Anyway, I haven't posted much here but I love the fact that this community is so welcoming, and the discussions do not evolve into flame wars. I always look forward to the interesting ideas that flow through here.
 
On another board, someone is claiming that the heads of all of the victims were turned so that they were looking towards the Casinos. (Apparently locals were shown photos of the victims early on, when police were trying to get IDs on them.)

This small detail is huge. (If it is indeed accurate.)

For one, (as if there was ever really any doubt) South Jersey officially has a serial killer praying on prostitutes.

Secondly, it does possibly change the motive.

Dontpanic, I respect what you are saying in regards to prostitutes being targeted because they are easy prey for a sexually motivated sociopath, but I do believe that there are some cases where conflictions with ones convictions (mainly self loathing which manifests its self into redirected anger) plays a part.

One of the main traits of a person with antisocial personality disorder (sociopath is frowned upon as a term in the psych community, but I still use it) is the inability to accept blame for ANYTHING. It's always someone elses fault, the world is against them, etc.

A person may be conflicted with their thoughts, hate that they think about having sex with prostitutes and even be more disgusted that they think of killing them, having sex with their corpses, or whatever it may be.

So, they hate themselves, but it can't be their own fault, nothing ever is."It must be the dirty filthy 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 who make them feel this way!"

Redirected anger....

Also, a child learns his/her sense of morality in the home. Alot of serial killers who killed prostitutes did so because either their mother was a prostitute or promiscuous or they had it instilled in them early that "prostitutes are filthy sinners and Hell bound."



However, strangulation is an exertion of power, dominance, and is almost always a sex crime. I don't believe for a second that this case is an exception.
 
Maybe the women were placed into a ditch with water to help wash away evidence and decompose quicker, and the man drug them in a certain way so that he could best watch for someone coming along and to manipulate their head and mouth under the water to wash the bodies of possible dna.
 
waiting to hear more about this Black SUV and how it's involved. :waitasec: OH NO ! I hope it's ot that sick tow truck driver. They have a location in South Jersey also.
 
"He was giving girls drugs. He said he wanted us to take our clothes off, but he said he wouldn't have sex."

* Sounds like a control oriented "mission" killer to me. He could possibly be impotent, which would be one reason he "wouldn't have sex," but those words alone lead me to believe that the women were killed for what they were, as much as they were killed because they were easy prey.

* The fetishistic element could still apply; might be his signature.

* Looks like the Islamic symbolism theory could still apply as well.
 
absynthminded1 said:
South Jersey has its share of nutjobs... ;)
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Oh no , this guy is north south east and west NJ .Apparentley according to the website he works for they tow up and down the East Coast.

Uses untraceable phone cards and blocks his cell phone. Just likes to talk dirty to the teens and God only knows who else . Uses scary voice.

Scared these girls so bad when they found out he was 47 ,
Uh hmmm I would still like a word with him......
 
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13556341,00.html

This is about the killer in UK




Vice Girls Vital To Inquiry
Updated: 17:22, Tuesday December 12, 2006

Prostitutes and their clients have been told they hold the key to finding the killer being dubbed the 'Ipswich Ripper'.

Around 30 prostitutes are thought to work the streets of the town regularly.

Detectives want to hear from them all and find out clients' names.

They say they will turn a blind eye to soliciting offences until the killer is found.

Detective chief superintendent Stewart Gull, who is heading the inquiry, said: "Street workers and the men who go with prostitutes probably hold the key.

"No matter how insignificant the information they might have, they need to talk to us.

"We have had a tremendous response thus far from street workers. Some limited contact from punters."

The majority of prostitutes heeded police advice last night and the red light area was almost deserted.

But one or two women walked the area as normal.

Two told journalists that they were desperate for money but were working as a pair in the hope of staying safe.
 
That other ripper they had over there Robert Sudcliffe I think was his name, they scared him off when they got close not only did he move his area but also type of victim. One things for sure this ones been very busy. The girl with the dimples is really cute.
 
What drives a person to do these vicious cruel meaningless things?
What could possibly cause a person to be so mean ?
It has to have something to do with not having a (continteous) ??spell check

You must be born without one.
 
ihadcabinfever said:
Oh no , this guy is north south east and west NJ .Apparentley according to the website he works for they tow up and down the East Coast.

Uses untraceable phone cards and blocks his cell phone. Just likes to talk dirty to the teens and God only knows who else . Uses scary voice.

Scared these girls so bad when they found out he was 47 ,
Uh hmmm I would still like a word with him......
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http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/16217977.htm

Covelli said the man told her his name was "Bill." Investigators have since told her that the man's name is "John" and that he once lived in Egg Harbor City. She said she was not told his last name.

:eek:
 
http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/marsh_killings/story/6996586p-6854401c.html


Police chief in La. serial killings weighs in on EHT deaths
By LYNDA COHEN Staff Writer, (609) 272-7257
Published: Wednesday, December 6, 2006
A Louisiana police chief has some advice for residents of Atlantic County:
“I would definitely put a warning out to the public of a possible or potential serial killer in the area,” Pat Boudreaux said of four women killed and dumped in West Atlantic City.

The Houma, La., chief has some experience in the subject. About two years ago, he said the unsolved murders of three men found over two years in his town were possibly the work of a “serial killer.” There had been similar killings in New Orleans, about 50 miles southeast.

But when he used those words, “he was ostracized,” said Dee Dee Thurston, news editor for The Courier in Houma.

The Louisiana Attorney General's Office created a task force, and the number of men believed to be victims passed 20, but officials kept backing away from the serial-killer label. “We've never said it was,” spokeswoman Kris Wartelle told The Courier in May. “We've said it could be the work of one or more people.”

:silenced: they don't want to loose their buniness. I have news for them if they let it keep going they won't have business. It's not like anyone doesn't know that crime exists .........
 
ihadcabinfever, thanks for that article. ABT1 and I were kinda going over that in this thread about police here and how they are with serial killers. They don't want to cause a panic so they don't tell the public. Exactly what they did in the Harford county cases and I think the only reason they were so public with the ones in NJ was all 4 were found there together at the same time. If they had kept it quiet they could've set up a sting and had him probably. Now they have to go with what evidence they have and or wait for him to strike again but where this time?
 
http://www.oceancountyprosecutor.org/

Gabrielle Mueller Homicide
04.03.01


At approximately 1:30 pm on April 3, 2001, three postal employees discovered the body of a fully clothed white female as they walked along Salem Street in Lakewood, NJ. The victim was identified as Gabrielle Mueller, a 31 year old, who had been reported missing from Dover Township two days earlier. The cause of death is listed as Asphyxia due to strangulation.

The victim was last seen at the "Prime Time" Bar located in the Home Depot Shopping Center, Route 9, Toms River, NJ on Sunday, April 1, 2001 around 5:00 pm. The victim's vehicle, a 1994 Toyota Corolla, blue in color was found in a vacant lot on East 4th Street in Lakewood, NJ on April 4, 2001.

Anyone having information regarding this case, is asked to contact the Ocean County Prosecutor’s Office Cold Case Unit, Toms River, NJ at(732)929-2027. All information will remain confidential.

Cold Case

Debbie Ann Bloomquist Homicide
10.26.91


On Saturday, October 26, 1991, at approximately 4:00 p.m., the body of Debbie Ann Bloomquist was discovered in a wooded area adjacent to Route 539, Barnegat Township, New Jersey. This area was known to be frequented by individuals on dirt bikes, motorcycles and four-wheel drive vehicles. The victim sustained multiple stab wounds to the chest and back.

Investigation revealed that the victim had been residing with her boyfriend at the Chalet Motel, located on Route 35 in Ocean Township, Monmouth County, New Jersey
and was last seen by him on Wednesday. Information was supplied that the victim was known to frequent numerous bars in Asbury Park. It was determined
during a canvass that the victim was last seen at the Clover Bar in Asbury Park on Thursday evening.

NOTICE: Anyone having information regarding this case, is asked to contact the Ocean
County Prosecutor’s Office Cold Case Unit, Toms River, New Jersey&#894; Telephone # (732)
929*2027. All information will remain confidential.
I dont know if they were posted.
 
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