Atlantic City Eastbound Strangler 4 Women Found Dead behind Motel Egg Harbor Twp, Nov 2006

[cynical_1]

Just something curious...there is a shoe store (Shoe Stop) on the Boardwalk between S Ocean and S Carolina. Wonder if girls were ever seen and stalked from there?

Tracy Ann Roberts disappeared when she was interrupted from shopping. A shoe shop, wouldn't be outside the rheum of possibility.

 

[cynical_1]

Just something curious...there is a shoe store (Shoe Stop) on the Boardwalk between S Ocean and S Carolina. Wonder if girls were ever seen and stalked from there?

Maybe some of the women bought their shoes there and that's why they were found without them. Just thinking out loud.

 

[kat913]

Yes I find that odd how she was called away and didn't tell the 2 guys with her what she was going to do. If it involved a date or drugs, they already knew her well enough. Only reason she might not tell them it was drugs if she was hoping to keep for self. Sadly she was in same outfit she had just bought.

 

[kat913]

Maybe some of the women bought their shoes there and that's why they were found without them. Just thinking out loud.

Hmmm...like he thought that would link back to him so he got rid of what he believed would be tied to him? Plus a little trophy cuz he really does love women shoes!

 

[LR1]

True enough. Although I can't help escape the ritualistic manner in which these killings were conducted. The earlier killings where three women had their throats slashed appeared to be more street related. These appear to be almost surgical. - Just my opinion.

I don't think we can really say for sure the missing shoes = paraphilic behavior from a classic serial sexual murderer. If when choking them their shoes slip off in the struggle is he gonna take the time to put them back on or would he just gather them up along with their purse and other accessories and dispose them somewhere. If they had lace up shoes that might be a place to look for money or ID. I'm not set on robbery being the driving factor either but as I said before with the frequency of these murders and with little effort to conceal what was done, something seems different about this to me. Each one knew one of the others, we don't know if they might all have been acquainted with one another. There seems to be multiple people that knew most if not all of them yet no one knows a thing in four separate murders.

When I think of ritualistic aspects I thing of carvings or severed parts with the same certain signature shown in each killing or maybe something left with each one such as a bag over their head etc. From the description given by LE and disseminated by the press I don't see them as posed but rather placed in the same fashion (face down) which would help to degrade any forensic evidence. That said and With what we have to work with and time that has passed I'm not partial to one motive over another, just sort of thinking out loud here and of other options.

Do we know if there was a police report filled with tracys trip to the hospital. I'm wondering who hit her in the throat. I wouldn't expect her to tell but I would really like to know who that was. A Times article said it was someone who wanted to be her pimp, Mr. Coles says it was some john. Has a pimp been mentioned for any of these girls? I find it strange that there has not.

 

[cynical_1]

Do we know if there was a police report filled with tracys trip to the hospital. I'm wondering who hit her in the throat. I wouldn't expect her to tell but I would really like to know who that was. A Times article said it was someone who wanted to be her pimp, Mr. Coles says it was some john. Has a pimp been mentioned for any of these girls? I find it strange that there has not.

"Dante the street hustler and his buddy Smiley say they hooked Schlue up with drugs and hookers - among others, Kim Raffo and Tracy Roberts. "
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/5/

Interpret it as you will. Earlier in the article:

' Sometime in mid-November, a street hustler named Dante said he went clothes shopping with Tracy Roberts. She bought the outfit she was wearing when her body was found.

"She said, 'I'll be back in like a hour,'" Dante remembers. "She never came back." '

 

[LR1]

No mention of the girls having pimps in the media but I'm reminded of this gem posted a while back which I have no reason not to believe. Speaking of bookmaking, with the amount of prostitutes in the city at that time what are the odds a serial killer targeting girls at random in a short period of time kills four girls with the last two having the same pimp. Maybe not astronomical but certainly a long shot.

Tracy and Kim both had cell phones. They also had the same pimp. He more likely than not is the one who throat punched her... And when he found out she was leaving the hospital showed up with a soldier took her phone and sent her back out to work. He probably punched her for finding out she was buying drugs on the streets from people other than him. Pimps need to be EVERYTHING to you... They buy your close feed you monitor your phones and supply you with drugs. Punishments for breaking rules come swiftly and fiercely. This same pimp wiped me unconscious ON CAMERA naked with a wet leather belt for snatching a young girl back from him....he found us hiding on the black horse pike at the Golden Key....2 days later he shot at me while I was on the sidewalk.... Also known as the track. Hewas ADAMANT almost to the point of obsession about knowing where we were down to the plank on the boardwalk after both their deaths....that is taken as a great insult to have one your own murdered. Trust me all ac pimps were looking long and hard for this guy.... And very well may have found him which would explain why the killings stopped....

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[The Irishman]

AtlantAtlantic City, fully clothed bare feet. Daytona ; naked except for socks . Attention drawn to feet on every victim. Was there anything on Gilgo victims that drew attention to their feet ?ic City, fully clothed bare feet. Daytona ; naked except for socks . Attention drawn to feet on every victim. Was there anything on Giictims that drew attention to their feet ?

 

[The Irishman]

Atlantic City : fully clothed except feet.
Daytona : fully naked except feet /
Anything with the Gilgo Beach victims that focuses attention on their feet ?

 

[cynical_1]

Atlantic City : fully clothed except feet.
Daytona : fully naked except feet /
Anything with the Gilgo Beach victims that focuses attention on their feet ?

Welcome to the board. Speaking for myself I don't know much about the other two cases but if you have questions about AC then feel free to ask.

 

[The Irishman]

one of the profilers mentioned foot fetish and it occurred to me that AC and Daytona Beach murders both had victims feet highlighted. one with fully clothed victims but barefoot and the other fully naked but with socks. So I was wondering was there something similar with the Gilgo victims. I`ll post to LISK thread. Thx for welcome.

 

[cynical_1]

No mention of the girls having pimps in the media but I'm reminded of this gem posted a while back which I have no reason not to believe. Speaking of bookmaking, with the amount of prostitutes in the city at that time what are the odds a serial killer targeting girls at random in a short period of time kills four girls with the last two having the same pimp. Maybe not astronomical but certainly a long shot.

The odds would appear to be very high. We have no idea how many women were working under this pimp though. Also, we don't know the location where Tracy Roberts disappeared from. The last two were friends so they may have been working the same corner.

Both were known to work the casinos. I'd speculate that they may have been killed inside a casino but with the North Jersey doctor being cleared by surveillance cameras the last movements of Ms. Raffo probably tracked her leaving the facility.

With both of them living in the Tennessee/Ocean Ave. area it may be an indicator that the SK started targeting that area. - Just my opinion.

 

[Muttley]

I did a search on Mark Hessee and found this article, I have not seen this article before and it has information and interviews I had not seen previously, it's large and I am not even finished it yet. I am posting it in case it's not on this thread, apologies if it's redundant:

http://korrekt.com/7_media/televisi...e_boardwalk/02.23.08_beyond_the_boardwalk.htm


This article has a video that shows some of the area behind Golden Key, I found this helpful in picturing the depth of the ditch. Check the part with the crew removing one of the bodies in a blue tarp, two are standing in the water (1:38). The view of the path and view into the canal from the path really helped me picture the scene more clearly. This prompts me to read the accounts of positioning again and see if something comes to mind. Again, new to me, sorry if it's on this thread already:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/2...han-one-person-interest-in-2006-unsolved.html

I took a snip of the blue tarp and the crew around the body, the pic doesn't show as much as watching this few seconds as the crew looks like they positioning the tarp over the body in order to remove it (1:38-1:40). I pick up that the body appears to be on an angle pointed into the water from very close to the edge, looks like due East to me since it's not perpendicular to the edge, based on my own reckoning and feedback in previous posts on what exactly East from this point. I also am wondering if the feet were on the bank and not in the water. This would keep the body from floating further downstream IF the water and pressure was even enough to move the body. Again, I must go back and read the reports now to see the description given about how the bodies were positioned when found.

 

[Muttley]

Sorry! This first link is just a different version of "Beyond the Boardwalk" article, sorry all my bad.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beyond-the-boardwalk/

 

[LR1]

I was looking at Hessee the other day after posting an article, I think he passed away in Dec 2010 in southern CT. He would fit well with the religious mission oriented type killer.

 

[LR1]

The odds would appear to be very high. We have no idea how many women were working under this pimp though. Also, we don't know the location where Tracy Roberts disappeared from. The last two were friends so they may have been working the same corner.

Both were known to work the casinos. I'd speculate that they may have been killed inside a casino but with the North Jersey doctor being cleared by surveillance cameras the last movements of Ms. Raffo probably tracked her leaving the facility.

With both of them living in the Tennessee/Ocean Ave. area it may be an indicator that the SK started targeting that area. - Just my opinion.

My line of thought was with TR getting throat punched one day and killed a short time later and her possible stablemate murdered obviously by the same hands maybe a week later after going missing at that odd time of the morning, that maybe they were not chosen at random but rather targeted by someone associated with the same scene these victims found themselves in daily. That's a lot of carnage for one crew in a short amount of time and I'm thinking it might not be coincidental. Being fully clothed with no obvious signs of sexual assault does not mean there was no sexual component but with that other motives can not be ruled out.

It's difficult to tie the previous two into some alternate scenario though without knowing more about their last know sightings, locations and associates. I'm wondering what if anything it tell us that the first two were the youngest and oldest, seemingly the most vulnerable vs what should have been the most street smart. Those two were well acquainted also if I'm not mistaken.

 

[deedee21]

Youtube East Bound Strangular

 

[cynical_1]

My line of thought was with TR getting throat punched one day and killed a short time later and her possible stablemate murdered obviously by the same hands maybe a week later after going missing at that odd time of the morning, that maybe they were not chosen at random but rather targeted by someone associated with the same scene these victims found themselves in daily. That's a lot of carnage for one crew in a short amount of time and I'm thinking it might not be coincidental. Being fully clothed with no obvious signs of sexual assault does not mean there was no sexual component but with that other motives can not be ruled out.

It's difficult to tie the previous two into some alternate scenario though without knowing more about their last know sightings, locations and associates. I'm wondering what if anything it tell us that the first two were the youngest and oldest, seemingly the most vulnerable vs what should have been the most street smart. Those two were well acquainted also if I'm not mistaken.

To address the statement that is bold I did manage to unearth a single news report that had Molly Dilts and Barbara Breidor working together on Pacific Ave. So it would appear that, yes, the first two were acquainted.

After reading numerous reports on this case I did get the impression that Ms. Dilts would latch on to someone and not let go. Kinda like the lonely puppy that you can't quite shoo away. One report had Papa Joe kicking her out of his boarding house for sleeping in the hallways. Even the crack heads wouldn't give her a place to crash for the night. So, yes, she was vulnerable.

On the surface Ms. Breidor would appear to have a bit more street savvy than the others having lived and worked in the area for 20 years. She was the closest to being a local of the four. No reports of her eating at Papa Joe's and it's really not clear what part of Pacific Ave. she worked.

 

[kat913]

To address the statement that is bold I did manage to unearth a single news report that had Molly Dilts and Barbara Breidor working together on Pacific Ave. So it would appear that, yes, the first two were acquainted.

After reading numerous reports on this case I did get the impression that Ms. Dilts would latch on to someone and not let go. Kinda like the lonely puppy that you can't quite shoo away. One report had Papa Joe kicking her out of his boarding house for sleeping in the hallways. Even the crack heads wouldn't give her a place to crash for the night. So, yes, she was vulnerable.

On the surface Ms. Breidor would appear to have a bit more street savvy than the others having lived and worked in the area for 20 years. She was the closest to being a local of the four. No reports of her eating at Papa Joe's and it's really not clear what part of Pacific Ave. she worked.

Barbara was also the one that worked on BHP as well. I have wondered if this was the link to BHP.

 

[kat913]

With Kim being gone maybe both Molly and Barbara hung together?