ATLANTIC CITY SK: possible link to LISK and GB4?

[Mountain_Kat]

BBM

Are you suspecting that SS is the killer of Peaches? He would have been too young, IMO. Apologies if that's not what you're suspecting.

ETA: I initially thought of Peaches too, but then I realized that SS would have been a kid.

2007: The torso of "Cherries" was discovered inside an InGear, model Protégé suitcase in Mamaroneck. Clues found on clothing and in suitcase seem to point to her having been Hispanic. ( an interesting aside: it's been suggested that the cherries tattoo's might have been a cover up tattoo.)

 

[Theforeigner]

In connection with the new development in the Shannan Gilbert case, this interesting information, possibly laving an open door to a connection between the Atlantic City serial killer case and the Long Island Serial Killer case, came to light:

http://video.pix11.com/From-Gilgo-Beach-to-Atlantic-City-A-serial-killer-by-the-sea-28736944

Quote from the news video published Tuesday, July 1, 2014

Start 2:10

Journalist asking: "any reason to think there might be any connection between the Gilgo beach Long island killer and what happened the in Atlantic City?

James Mcclain (Atlantic City prosecutor) answer: I am not prepared to discuss that, there have been incidents over the years where we have reached out to Law Enforcement authorities in the mid west and I think also think in Canada and the north west.

End 2:27

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/...cle_f23dba80-0171-11e4-9d93-0019bb2963f4.html

Jim McClain was sworn in as Atlantic County prosecutor July 2014.

SO...the FACT that Atlantic City prosecutor James Mcclain RECENTLY denied to discuss if there is possible a connection between the Gilgo Beach Long Island Serial Killer case and the Atlantic City Serial killer case, point to that there indeed is a possibility of such a connection, bc if he KNEW there was no connection he would have said so IMO.


As most of you know, I have ALWAYS believed that the AC4 and GB4 killer is connected and that the very same man (my POI) killed both the AC4 and the GB4 victims.
This possible connection was brought to light in the media by LE back in April 2011, but was then, within a couple of days, in some unexplained way denied by LE.
However AFTER that, in a video report on the AC4 case, a former leading detective on the AC4 case, stated that he had no doubt that the AC4 and the GB 4 cases were connected!

I am excited to follow this new developments !

 

[Theforeigner]

And by the way:

For whatever strange reason, my POI (x-husband of AC4 murder victim Kim Raffo) became facebook friends with one of GB4 victim Melissa Barthelemy's very best friends, initials KL, in Oct 2011 !!!

On Oct 20, 2011, My POI in KLs Facebook, commented on KLs new hairdye telling KL quote :
-"btw...not too dark, just right! i agree doriain......cute and joyful! (-:"
That is ODD IMHO !!!

In Times Square NY, this friend of Melissa, KL, was known as Mariah, she was also a prostitute at the time when Melissa disappeared and Melissa and KL worked side by side in New York City etc, and possibly also on Long Island..

Info on Melissa and KL:

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._prostitutes_murdered_melissa_barthelemy.html


My POI has, through the years, been VERY active on the internet/social media and, among many other things, made contacts with prostitutes.

He has also a significant taste for heavily tattooed, more or less naked, woman who also pose with blood all over their bodies etc (IMO some kind of death/violent fetish themes).

This POI has also back in Dec 24 (it think it was either 2009 or 2010 or def. prior to 2011) posted some absolutely horrific images on his Fubar profile, the images was of a deeply scary murderous black (not black as in race but in spirit) angel with long black nails cutting a womans throat with a knife, and also another picture of the Angel of death with a hooded cape and drawn sword etc.

My POIs x-wife was killed by a serial killer so WHY would he post that kind of images on his private social media profile, not to metion doing that Dec 24???

This guy is SO complex, and IMO the most dangerous kind due to he has a SOOO sweet/charming helping everyone out and then he seem to have this other really sick dark side UGH !!!

My POI has lots of family and friends on Long Island as well as in Atlantic City.

And last (There is so much more)He has been VERY active in the media concerning the AC4 murder case, BUT his stories about what happened back then in the fall/wither 2006 just changes over and over, his stories just don't add up.

 

[mysteryattic]

Foreigner, Your POI is also a carpenter like someone else that we know.

 

[Theforeigner]

Foreigner, Your POI is also a carpenter like someone else that we know.

Yes he is.

 

[LR1]

Journalist asking: "any reason to think there might be any connection between the Gilgo beach Long island killer and what happened the in Atlantic City?

James Mcclain (Atlantic City prosecutor) answer: I am not prepared to discuss that, there have been incidents over the years where we have reached out to Law Enforcement authorities in the mid west and I think also think in Canada and the north west.

SO...the FACT that Atlantic City prosecutor James Mcclain RECENTLY denied to discuss if there is possible a connection between the Gilgo Beach Long Island Serial Killer case and the Atlantic City Serial killer case, point to that there indeed is a possibility of such a connection, bc if he KNEW there was no connection he would have said so IMO.

Yes I think if they were certain there was no connection he would not have left that door open. That press conference in the video was from Dec 2014.

As most of you know, I have ALWAYS believed that the AC4 and GB4 killer is connected and that the very same man (my POI) killed both the AC4 and the GB4 victims.
This possible connection was brought to light in the media by LE back in April 2011, but was then, within a couple of days, in some unexplained way denied by LE.
However AFTER that, in a video report on the AC4 case, a former leading detective on the AC4 case, stated that he had no doubt that the AC4 and the GB 4 cases were connected!

I am excited to follow this new developments !

Could you possibly post a link for the former leading detective saying they're connected?

I know I've probably said this before but I can't see your POI not having an alibi for at least one of the different time frames among the eight victims. Surely he can account for his whereabouts for one of the victims time frame's, and if he's not good for one he's not good for any, this is my opinion.

Then again, I don't know if they're satisfied with what they've found on him, if he has an alibi or not. It's just hard for me to believe the one they're looking for was right under their nose this whole time. That would be too easy.

I'm still looking for "Beyond the Boardwalk" 48 hrs episode if anyone finds a working copy.

 

[hawkshaw]

The AC and Gilgo Beach murders being connected? It sounds good to me unless otherwise proven to not be connected. What I believe to be connected other than the obvious is the AC victims were dumped in the back of a motel where the killer ran the risk of being seen. That suggests to me the killer(s) were comfortable they wouldn't be caught. That entire area is desolate with swamp land where a person can dump a body will little or no risk of being seen. Instead, the killer returned to the same place.

At Gilgo, I believe you have a similar situation. The area is populated with homes. Anyone going and coming into the community would stand a chance of seeing someone on the shoulder dumping a body. The very idea a serial killer would return to the same location to dump 4 bodies and not fear the risk of being caught if a body was found and the police were monitoring the location for a return visit makes me believe the killer(s) knew the area and knew it well. They were always available to monitor police activity because they lived there and could see the crime scene and know the risk was minimal of being caught You just don't go back to the scene of the crime when you can go miles around and dump another body if you don't think you are reasonably safe.

 

[deedee21]

LRl There is a show on youtube about the AC murders. Go to Dark Minds Eastside Strangler.

 

[giagreen]

LRl There is a show on youtube about the AC murders. Go to Dark Minds Eastside Strangler.

Do you know where to find the show? I bought all the ones on google and its only one season. Luckily the season with the episode about the lisk. Its not on Netflix or hulu. I love dark minds and am willing to buy them even. Idk

 

[LR1]

LRl There is a show on youtube about the AC murders. Go to Dark Minds Eastside Strangler.

Saw that one long ago, thanks.

 

[deedee21]

Do you know where to find the show? I bought all the ones on google and its only one season. Luckily the season with the episode about the lisk. Its not on Netflix or hulu. I love dark minds and am willing to buy them even. Idk

AC4 is on youtube. Its free. Dark Minds Eastside strangler. I dont know if youtube will have the LISK! Dark Minds episode.

 

[deedee21]

Several of the Dark Minds shows are on youtube.

 

[LR1]

As most of you know, I have ALWAYS believed that the AC4 and GB4 killer is connected and that the very same man (my POI) killed both the AC4 and the GB4 victims.
This possible connection was brought to light in the media by LE back in April 2011, but was then, within a couple of days, in some unexplained way denied by LE.
However AFTER that, in a video report on the AC4 case, a former leading detective on the AC4 case, stated that he had no doubt that the AC4 and the GB 4 cases were connected!

I am excited to follow this new developments !

I'm not doubting you but I seriously don't remember this. If it was in a video report chances are it was also in a article. What news outlet? Do you remember his name? I would really like to pin this down one way or the other.

 

[Theforeigner]

I'm not doubting you but I seriously don't remember this. If it was in a video report chances are it was also in a article. What news outlet? Do you remember his name? I would really like to pin this down one way or the other.

Here you go, This is a post on the subject I posted back in 2012, and his name was John DeAngelis Police Captain in Egg Harbour Township when the AC4 bodies were found (the video is in the red highlighted part):

posted by me 07-24-2012, 04:55 PM in the thread "Possible connection between the GB4 and other murders"

And if you read the following posts after mine you can see that others had seen the same video, in fact it was another WS member, nickname "BKS" who made me aware of the video statement.





http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...e-GB4-and-other-murders&p=8188187#post8188187

Concerning wether the SCPD have concluded that the AC4 and the GB4 are possibly connected or not, here is somthing to ponder:


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/c...O6yAXXJbTQT1SN

Published: April 8, 2011
Quotes:

"Cops on Long Island are "looking at somebody," said a law-enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation."

"The stunning revelation comes as police are exploring a possible link between the serial killer -- suspected of dumping the bodies of eight victims along a remote Suffolk beachfront -- and the grisly murders of four hookers in Atlantic City in 2006."

"The Post reported yesterday that one of the New Jersey victims (TF added : they refere to Kim Raffo) spent five weeks on Long Island with her husband shortly before she vanished on a bus to Atlantic City"

"Meanwhile, sources told The Post the Long Island psycho changed his m.o. during his bloody spree -- altering the way he dumped his victims near Oak and Gilgo beaches"


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/s...6Xkk2gT4KgekcI

Published: April 10, 2011

Quotes:

"That's the body count after cops this week linked the murder of Melissa Barthelemy and three other prostitutes found near Gilgo Beach in Suffolk County in December to four dead sex workers left in a ditch near Atlantic City in 2006, sources told The Post."

"It's the same guy," said one law-enforcement source.

"Police sources would not say what led authorities to link the New Jersey murder victims -- Kim Raffo, Molly Jean Dilts, Barbara Breidor and Tracy Ann Roberts -- to the first four in Long Island. But there were several common elements."





Then 2 days later SCPC Richard Dormer said, “The indications we have right now is that there is no connection.”

Now, NOTE what he ACTUALLY says, he says "The indications we have right now" which IMO is NOT at all the same as saying that there is no connection.

2 days prior to this statement of Dormers, somone within his own staff apparently had anonymously told the press way too much about the investigation, which in Dormers opinion would/could damage the investigation. So IMO it is possible that Dormer went public with that statement to do some damage control.

But the journalist's headline said: "Police: No link between Long Island serial killer and Atlantic City murders" which IMO is a misrepresentation of what was ACTUALLY said.

However, I DO belive that this misrepresentation is actually what Dormer wanted and hoped for, because he didn´t want any attention to the possible connection between the two cases, because they possibly had leads that DID point to a connection and that they didn´t want possible suspect/suspects to be allereted.

http://www.examiner.com/article/poli...c-city-murders

Published: April 13, 2011

Quote:

"Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer said, “The indications we have right now is that there is no connection.”




And here is a reply dated April 19, 2011 to me from a very well known profiler whom I contatced, who worked on the LISK case.:

"Hi XXXXXX. I think you know that the police believe the Long Island killer and the Atlantic City murders are NOT linked, but they are aware (based on forthcoming forensic evidence ) that this could change. For now, I know they are aware of your theory on XXXX XXXX XXXXXXXXX so their investigation considers ALL possibilities."

Again this reply, dated a week after Dormer went public on the issue, is saying that LE does not THINK that the cases are connected BUT that "they are aware (based on forthcoming forensic evidence ) that this could change" which IMO means that there INDEED is a possibilty that the cases ARE connected, and that they, at that point April 19, 2011, were STILL awaiting results from whatever forensic evidence and/or investigations.


I also add this information provided by forum member BSK and also noted by Waltson, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH!:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07...city.killings/
published : July 31, 2011

From 1:00 to 1:41 in the video: John DeAngelis, who was Police Captain in Egg Harbour Township when the AC4 bodies were found, talk about the case and that he belive that the AC4 and the GB4 are connected.




Since then I am NOT aware of any statements form LE concluding that there is no connection between the AC4 and the GB4 cases.

If anyone have any public released information that such a conclution has been made bt LE, I would appreciate if you would post a quote/link.




And then we have quotes from the TV program Dark Mind "The Eastbound Strangler"

(Google "The Eastbound Strangler" and then klick on "video" and it will pop up for you to watch)

Aired Feb 02, 2012 :

32:21 into the video it is said:
"Did the Eastbound Strangler leave New Jersey and continue killing on Long Island...some high ranking officers in law enforcement belive he did"


Thanks for listening

TF

 

[LR1]

Thanks for digging that post up for me TF, I looked at that thread but only the first ten pages or so. It looks like DeAngelis was forced to retire in 07 as he was one of several caught up in a sexual harassment lawsuit. The video doesn't play anymore like you said. I tried to find it at other places that have old cnn vids but no luck. I'm not sure he would be privy to any of the Gilgo evidence so I don't know what he based his opinion on in 2011 other than the obvious similarities.

 

[cpaul]

This link plays for me in Chrome:
copy & paste
edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/30/atlantic.city.killings/

 

[Theforeigner]

Here is a link to a April 19, 2011, great news report on the fake facebook profiles of the AC4 victims linked to fake Facebook profiles of the GB4 victims:

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-19/news/29447411_1_profile-hugh-auslander-shannan-gilbert

Quote:

THE WOMEN will always be linked by their macabre deaths, their hard lives leading them to society's fringe, where a killer or killers waited.

But the eight identified online call girls and prostitutes whose bodies were found in Atlantic City and Long Island - their murders remain unsolved - share another bizarre connection: They have all been reborn on Facebook.

"I didn't know you but I feel a strong connection to you. You are an Angel," someone posing as Kim Raffo recently posted on a Facebook memorial page.

Raffo's body was found Nov. 20, 2006, along with three other slain women in a marshy area behind the Golden Key Motel, on the Black Horse Pike just outside Atlantic City. The Facebook profile created for her is sparse, with no picture and little personal information. She does, however, have three friends: the other prostitutes murdered near Atlantic City.

Quote:

The strangest connections are among the Atlantic City victims. All four profiles are "friends" with one another on Facebook. One of them, Molly Jean Dilts, is also friends with Amber Lynn Costello, a Long Island call girl who was found in a shallow grave on Gilgo Beach in December. The Costello profile's only friends are Dilts and a profile named "Jane Doee."


Quote:

The four Atlantic City Facebook profiles' lone communication came via comments on a memorial page dedicated to another high-profile murder victim with local ties: Anne Marie Fahey. Wilmington lawyer Thomas Capano murdered Fahey, his former lover, in 1996 and dumped her body off the coast of New Jersey. The profiles for the Atlantic City women left several messages on a Fahey memorial page, calling her an "angel."

"We are all angels," the Tracy Roberts profile posted on Jan. 29. The Molly Jean Dilts profile then made the suggestion that "we were all killed by the Capano's."

"We are still waiting for justice. We were found in November 2006 in Mays Landing, NJ," the posting read.

Immediately beneath Dilts' comment, a blank Facebook profile with the name "Colleen Marie" said the following:

"They should also be looking at them in connection with 4 . . . girls found in Babylon NY. If something happens to me it is because I knew what they did back then and I know what did to you girls. I think I'm next."




Quote:

Auslander, who said that he and Raffo had stayed on Long Island before she was murdered, said that police asked him if he was behind the fake Facebook profiles.

"I wouldn't be calling police if I created them," he said.

Dilts' father, Vern, raises Molly Jean's son in western Pennsylvania and said that he doesn't keep track of the case like Auslander or get on computers too often. He did say that his daughter had a boyfriend in New York.

 

[Theforeigner]

In the same April 19, 2011news report, as in the above post, a source familiar with the investigation thinks that one killer could have murdered both the AC4 victims and the GB4 victims (I agree)
Very interesting that this source state this despite the fact that the police on AC & Long Island denies this:

http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-19/news/29447411_1_profile-hugh-auslander-shannan-gilbert

Quote:

Last week, after speculation that the same killer was responsible for the women found slain near Atlantic City and on Long Island, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Richard Dormer discounted the connections at a news conference.


BUT...

Quote:

Not everyone sees the murders as the work of two killers. In Atlantic County, one source familiar with the investigation thinks that one killer could have murdered all eight women - and may be getting better with every kill.

The first murder victim in Atlantic City, Molly Jean Dilts, was the newest to the area, but Raffo, the last victim, was a veteran, the source said.

"You could see the progression. You could see him getting more confident," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The killer, the source suggested, may have left the area after the bodies were discovered behind the Golden Key Motel in 2006 and settled near Long Island. Prostitutes there began disappearing in 2007.

"The similarities are glaring. I still can't conceive you have two serial killers committing the same murders in so close an area," the source said. "It has to be the same person. He's just getting better."

 

[Theforeigner]

Kind of interesting that April 8, 2011, the LI police are stating they are "looking at somebody" and that they DO believe that the AC4 & the GB4 ARE connected, and then few days later they say the opposite !!!???
Was it investigating damage control???:

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/po...killer-atlantic-city-119476194-237381031.html

Police close in on suspect in Long Island Ripper killer - VIDEO
CATHY HAYES @irishcentral April 08,2011

Quote:

A spokesperson for the police department said they were "looking at somebody". Police believe there is a connection between the murders on Long Island and those which took place in Atlantic City in 2006. Those buried on a remote beach in Atlantic City were sex workers just like the first four victims discovered on Long Island and missing Shannan Gilbert.

More interesting info in the link...

 

[Puggle]

The Foreigner.... there are individuals who provided statements to the media in relation to the Atlantic City murders who are still alive and currently have facebook accounts...they may not appreciate being reminded of their past..or not care??...but they are out there....if you have no aversion to contacting them...they can be found. I have seen at least two people on Facebook in 2014. You'll have to dig up all the old media reports to get their names....I'm sorry I can't remember their names..... one of them was in the media and an article was written how she remembered spending a drug fuelled few days with a man who had minders...and she was sure she woke up in a motel room with another prostitute who she actually thought may have been dead... that's all I can remember...hopefully through a few key words of what I remember you can find the article...