AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce, Wynarka, Bones of a Child Discovered, July'15 - #7

[Makara]

I've opened a Media/Timeline thread for this case at the link below. Feel free to add media links, photos, maps etc.

Wynarka, Bones of a Child Found MEDIA/TIMELINE *NO DISCUSSION*

 

[MsDee]

Lots of newborns don't have hair, and lots have blonde hair that darkens as they get older.

Hospitals do not record hair colour at birth. Simply because it changes, in the majority of cases. I had 3 blonde girls at birth. All had blue eyes. Now I have 2 brown haired girls and one that is just a shade too dark to be true blonde, but doesn't look brown. The one with the darkest brown hair got brown eyes, the others kept the blue.

As an aside, aboriginal children can be blonde too. They also lose it as they get older.

There is also no evidence that Angel was born in hospital. With Australia's spread out population, it is reasonable to assume that a baby could possibly be born without being entered into the system. For a myriad of reasons.

The cynical part of me says maybe that is another reason why the federal government brought in the baby bonus - incentive to get births registered.

 

[Eloise]

Well they got rid of the baby bonus when they brought in PPL. I think the FTB system is more encompassing but not everyone is eligible for that either.

Regardless where is the info about hair colour coming from crabstick? I've had babies (albeit not in SA.) They don't record hair colour of the baby in the hospital. Probably because the hair a baby is born with is often temporary. Babies are often born bald so who knows what hair colour they'll be, other than taking a guess based on genetics. They can be like mine and born with a full head of dark hair that soon falls out and comes back in dark blonde. Others are born blonde but go dark. It's too variable.

 

[Ellmau]

Blonde hair would mean particular genes, a hair colour probably knocked out by an ASIAN decent etc. Particular genes wipe out Blonde hair. Real blonde hair gene is a derivative of Norse background, European decent. So Angels mother is of particular decent, and more than likely father will too.

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Not necessarily pure European descent - I have blue eyed cousins who are quarter Chinese, and one also has blond hair.

 

[Freddo Frog]

And still no answers

 

[debirlfan]

Not necessarily pure European descent - I have blue eyed cousins who are quarter Chinese, and one also has blond hair.

I talked with a cashier in the local grocery store one time - noticed her nametag was a Japanese name. She said that it was after her Japanese grandmother. The girl had very pale skin and red hair - I would have guessed that she was of totally Irish descent. You can't tell.

 

[Dogface]

So sad there is still no name for this little one.

What is the midwife situation like in Australia? Can anyone be a midwife? Or a birthing doula? If they assist in a birth are they mandated to report it? (I'm not even sure how it works here in the U.S., I had a planned c section)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

So sad there is still no name for this little one.

What is the midwife situation like in Australia? Can anyone be a midwife? Or a birthing doula? If they assist in a birth are they mandated to report it? (I'm not even sure how it works here in the U.S., I had a planned c section)

It doesn't answer your question, but yesterday I found the following. I admit: a little bit O/T - BUT also outrageous, IMO.

Following his conviction he was placed on the sex offenders register for life and banned from practising as a nurse.
But this ban has now been revoked by the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal, and Omant is free to re-apply for registration with the Victorian Nursing and Midwifery Board.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...alian&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=editorial

 

[visioneye]

So sad there is still no name for this little one.

What is the midwife situation like in Australia? Can anyone be a midwife? Or a birthing doula? If they assist in a birth are they mandated to report it? (I'm not even sure how it works here in the U.S., I had a planned c section)

Briefly -To be a midwife in Australia you have to have qualifications which enable you to be registered with AHPRA (Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency), which is a national body responsible for ensuring the quality of training midwives and registered nurses (including ongoing competency) They also regulate most other health professionals (doctors, dentists, physios etc) on behalf of the individual professions medical boards
Midwives registered with AHPRA, as long as maintaining registration guidelines, can practice across all states in Australia.
This was not the case prior to 2007 when each state required individual registration to their own state boards to practice.

Notably to comply with conditions of registration in the area of midwifery AHPRA requires all midwives to annually declare whether or not they are practicing home births (excluding hospital based home birth programs) and will not insure (and usually cancel the registrations) of those practicing outside these guideline.
However there continues to be "midwives" who practice without insurance ( deregistered midwives) and doulas who practice homebirth in South Australia.
Most are extremely competent and are simply offering an in demand service outside the health system for normal births. However South Australia also have midwifery practitioners who get into trouble...
Nursing & Midwifery Board of Australia v Barrett [2014] SAHPT 1

Not sure if any of this is relevant in this case. Would have totally agreed with this angle if she was near newborn
IMO "Angel" was not wearing the type of clothing typical of totally off the grid kids- too commercial.
I believe this child will have been registered at birth to get the baby bonus.

 

[Makara]

Briefly -To be a midwife in Australia you have to have qualifications which enable you to be registered with AHPRA (Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency), which is a national body responsible for ensuring the quality of training midwives and registered nurses (including ongoing competency) They also regulate most other health professionals (doctors, dentists, physios etc) on behalf of the individual professions medical boards
Midwives registered with AHPRA, as long as maintaining registration guidelines, can practice across all states in Australia.
This was not the case prior to 2007 when each state required individual registration to their own state boards to practice.

Notably to comply with conditions of registration in the area of midwifery AHPRA requires all midwives to annually declare whether or not they are practicing home births (excluding hospital based home birth programs) and will not insure (and usually cancel the registrations) of those practicing outside these guideline.
However there continues to be "midwives" who practice without insurance ( deregistered midwives) and doulas who practice homebirth in South Australia.
Most are extremely competent and are simply offering an in demand service outside the health system for normal births. However South Australia also have midwifery practitioners who get into trouble...
Nursing & Midwifery Board of Australia v Barrett [2014] SAHPT 1

Not sure if any of this is relevant in this case. Would have totally agreed with this angle if she was near newborn
IMO "Angel" was not wearing the type of clothing typical of totally off the grid kids- too commercial.
I believe this child will have been registered at birth to get the baby bonus.

Thank you visioneye. Yes, I think it is relevant to this case in that it give us a better understanding of midwifery and home births etc.

We don't really know if Angel was clothed. All we know is some of the clothing and the quilt that was found in the suitcase that may or may not have belonged to her.

 

[visioneye]

If they assist in a birth are they mandated to report it?

Within the hospital systems all details of the infants birth are noted in a birth register (a formal book ). Details of the birth are also noted in the woman's medical record, and an individual infant medical record is created for the child. The registration papers for births, deaths and marriages are a separate document and these partially completed and signed by the midwives (as witnesses to the birth) to then be submitted by the parents of the child after discharge from hospital. Registration of the child as "Baby of ...... insert mothers name" and have it listed under the mothers surname at the time of birth. These details are obviously altered by the parents when obtaining a birth certificate.
In 2007 and probably still today, there is no automatic link btw the data collected in the birth registers and the information submitted to the register of births deaths and marriages. This defect was noted in the well known Kelli Lane case 2006 in Sydney, where Kelli concealed her pregnancy, delivered a baby in hospital and then the baby "disappeared" for all intensive purposes, never registered and was never missed from the system, only tracked through relentless investigation including the seizure of her hospital records.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/la...australian-women/story-fni0ffnk-1226649240723

 

[squish]

I'm confused; were there two girls found in the Wynarka region? If so, which one is the subject of this thread? Which one is known as Angel? Are they both known as Angel? Which one has had the reconstruction image made of her? Is there a thread for the other child?

 

[Makara]

I'm confused; were there two girls found in the Wynarka region? If so, which one is the subject of this thread? Which one is known as Angel? Are they both known as Angel? Which one has had the reconstruction image made of her? Is there a thread for the other child?

Squish, this thread is for the little girl whose remains were found in a suitcase near Wynarka S.A. I dubbed her Angel in one of the earlier threads because I just wanted to give the poor little baby a name.

Another girl, believed to be aged between 13 and 25 when she died was found in the Belanglo State Forest, NSW in 2011 and has nothing to do with the case we're discussing here. This young girl has never been identified and the police named her Angel because of a t-shirt with the word Angelic printed on it was found with her remains.

There is a thread for the girl found in the Belanglo State Forest at the link below.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...van-Milat-victim-Aug-10&p=8546683#post8546683

 

[squish]

Thanks for the clarification

 

[Silverdraco69]

My kids have blonde hair and they're half Asian

I just Google natural blonde asians. Very beautiful children. Yes asians can be blonde.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

So much fanfare around the suitcase and the suitcase man and now nothing more? Nobody is asked to call for clothing, clothing labels, quilts/a special quilt, 60yo men with/without suitcase, missing little ones (maybe girl or boy), cars ...? Unusual, I would think.

 

[Dogface]

Yeah I was thinking if there was a registry of midwives that might be a good outlet for police to get info to, maybe the mother of this little girl never received typical prenatal care, but spoke to a midwife or doula through her pregnancy. Perhaps even the mommy to be message boards would be a good place for police to look, I.e. Someone in that area frequenting a board, asking lots of questions perhaps about home births...just an idea

 

[Imagining]

Hi my fellow websleuthers, haven’t been here for a while but I have tried catching up.

Wish I could write more about this case but it seems I have reached my thinking limit! Just some random thoughts :

• I felt that making the effort of going into a remote location dropping a suitcase does shown that he/she cares about themselves being caught.

• But leaving a suitcase on a surface where there is public access, although it is a very isolated area, rather than digging and hiding it in a hole, to me this is saying that the person doesn’t really cares/mind whether the suitcase was found or not. But I don’t agree with some posters suggested that this person placing the suitcase out there wanted the bones to be discovered and perhaps to unveil a ring because the lack of details provided and the remote and isolated location that the suitcase was being placed doesn’t looks like it was meant to be for someone else to discover.

• About those clothes placed together with the bones in the suitcase, I suddenly came up with a thought that those clothes was for covering up the bones during the delivery of the suitcase. The person did not want to get caught along the way from the original location to the Wynarka Highway. What if he/she was stopped by a police and asked to open the suitcase? Those clothes could cover up the bones. It made me wondered how did he/she got access of all those children’s clothing? The clothing doesn’t feels like it was for just one child but I also don’t feel that it is from someone who has a few children (don’t ask me why, is just a few bit and pieces that made me feel this way and can be a very long explanation) so I kept thinking that if it is someone who has or used to had access to children caring services? Just things that made me wondered?

 

[squish]

I personally think that the suitcase had been stored somewhere else for a while, then circumstances changed/something happened that meant the killer or another guilty person had to get rid of it in a hurry. Somebody on here posted a theory that the suitcase could have actually been local, and removed from a shed by a burglar, since there had been a spate of such burglaries in the area.

I think that all of the dumped clothing and blankets were for the child, maybe the killer wanted to dump all traces of her, or maybe he wanted to remove all incriminating fabrics that he thought could be contaminated with forensic evidence.

 

[Wozzie]

I have a question about the quilt.

Has it just been assumed that the bones were wrapped up in the quilt or was it mentioned somewhere in the media or by police?

When I look at the quilt I can see some very obvious fold marks where it has been neatly folded up just like some of the clothes. They look like pretty good creases which indicates to me that it has been compressed in a folded up position for a fair period of time. Looks like it was folded into quite a small surface area to me, more than a couple of folds. I have some machine embroidered baby rugs of a similar size in my cupboard that are folded with things sitting on top of them and when I unfold them the creases aren't anywhere near as defined as the ones in the Wynarka quilt.

I personally don't see how the little girl could have been wrapped in this quilt and have it still maintain these neat fold lines. Is it just the hope that she was loved enough in some way to have been wrapped in a favourite quilt that makes people think this? I don't see how this quilt indicates that at all, as much as I wish it were true.

The 2 embroidered rugs I have are gorgeous things that have had plenty of time put into them but they weren't made by anyone in my family... I was given them by someone else who has too many rugs made by her Granny.

My point is I don't think it's presence in the case tells us that some loving Grandparent made it for her or that she was carefully and lovingly wrapped in it. I hope she felt some love and happiness in her short little life but I'm not sure this quilt can necessarily tell us that.