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I don’t think it’s difficult to accidently kill someone - especially a child. They could drown unattended in the bath (one of my theories), they could hang themselves while unattended, eg in the cords of window blinds, they could bang their head or suffer an injury from a reprimanding blow from a caregiver, they could eat something they shouldn’t while unattended, they could choke, they could drink a noxious substance, etc.

Also, I do believe that some people would cover up an accident. Easier to say a child has wondered off than you were responsible for their death.
I know 2 families who accidentally killed their own child. One was run over; the other was fallen on. Kids aged 2 and 3. No charges laid. Deemed to be awful accidents.
 
  • #5,922
I know 2 families who accidentally killed their own child. One was run over; the other was fallen on. Kids aged 2 and 3. No charges laid. Deemed to be awful accidents.
Are you still friends with the parents?
 
  • #5,923
I posted this on March 5….


I wonder if the little shovel was found?




Gus was last seen playing in a mound of dirt with a little shovel in his hand at the front of the homestead on the remote station about 5pm, according to police.”



Speculation about the shovel brings to mind that phrase, “there’s a kernel of truth in every lie.”
Maybe a mound of dirt and a shovel were the last things to be seen with Gus, only in a very different and tragic context??

My hunch is not that Gus died accidentally but that someone unleashed a lot of anger and violence on him.
In my opinion someone would have broken their silence by now if his death was an accident resulting from negligence or poor supervision.

IMO.
 
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Moo...has it been said that no shovel or toys were found. ?
Nope. And its hard to figure if the "no traces of Gus" (I paraphrase) from LE means the / a shovel was not recovered by LE or found by Ronald Bolland (tracker). I wonder if that shovel story may be the undoing of the Grandie(s)' cover up because it has not been found, which I presume. IMO.
 
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Are you still friends with the parents?
I'm not sure I understand your question. Is there a particular reason you're asking?
 
  • #5,929
I know 2 families who accidentally killed their own child. One was run over; the other was fallen on. Kids aged 2 and 3. No charges laid. Deemed to be awful accidents.
The families didn't hide the bodies, I take it?
 
  • #5,930
My understanding is they were interested in that room because it has a view of the sandpit where Shannon says she last saw Gus.

Shannon may have stated she saw him last from that room, and they may think they have a way to either corroberate that she was in that room, or perhaps to find another inconsistency.

OR

They may may be trying to apply pressure by giving the impression they are seeking to discredit something she has said.

OR, as others have said they may be checking for traces of an incident that occurred in that room.
I would hope they have already looked for any traces of an incident in that home.

The grandmothers have been in that home for everyday for 6 months----I doubt there'll be any splatter or drops, or scrapes etc left by now.
 
  • #5,931
The families didn't hide the bodies, I take it?
Of course not. Raced child to hospital immediately in both cases. As most people would.
 
  • #5,932
Despite what you see on TV it's near impossible to remove bloodstains and spatter I cleaned a hotel room after a suicide attempt. There was still bloodstains after scrubbing with bleach. I repainted the walls in the end. Luminol would still pick up bloodstains even under paint.
 
  • #5,933
Despite what you see on TV it's near impossible to remove bloodstains and spatter I cleaned a hotel room after a suicide attempt. There was still bloodstains after scrubbing with bleach. I repainted the walls in the end. Luminol would still pick up bloodstains even under paint.
Unless perhaps poor G was killed at a different property and the police haven’t tried the luminol in that other location?
Of course no one has been charged in connection with his disappearance so I’m cognisant of that, also.
 
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Despite what you see on TV it's near impossible to remove bloodstains and spatter I cleaned a hotel room after a suicide attempt. There was still bloodstains after scrubbing with bleach. I repainted the walls in the end. Luminol would still pick up bloodstains even under paint
Yep. Wood sucks up blood so even the tiniest trace of blood can remain no matter how hard you try to scrub.
 
  • #5,935
Yep. Wood sucks up blood so even the tiniest trace of blood can remain no matter how hard you try to scrub.
The other side of that is that there are hundreds of non-death related reasons to bleed, vomit, empty bowels and bladder in front rooms and every kind of room, especially if you are a preschooler. Aside from really crazy things, like blood on a ceiling that had to spurt from an open artery, most stains could have innocent explanations.

I find myself trying too hard to find meaning in LE quotes like, "no evidence of Gus." Do they mean they found nothing of his outside at all? It is too weird. Maybe they mean they have found evidence, but nothing that is evidence Gus was in the search location around the time he was reportedly last seen.

I mean, I find things my children had at four in my yard every year, and it has been years and years and years since I had a four year old here.

MOO
 
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Unless perhaps poor G was killed at a different property and the police haven’t tried the luminol in that other location?
Of course no one has been charged in connection with his disappearance so I’m cognisant of that, also.

Are you speculating that Shannon might have taken Gus and his baby brother to a neighbouring property, maybe to do a job or just to check on things? And then an accident happened there?

That’s something that occurred to me as a possibility, but I kind of ruled it out a bit as choosing to take a baby and young child to do a chore wouldn’t be my first choice as I’d go when I could go by myself. But, maybe Shannon was used to taking them along on jobs? Or maybe it was a way to entertain Gus and pass the day while Jess and Josie were away tending sheep or mending fences?
 
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Gus could be anywhere, Adelaide even …
 
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Gus could be anywhere, Adelaide even …

He could be but my guess is somewhere on Oak Park or Bullaninnie (sp?) or the nearby National Park. I think it will be somewhere known to the people involved but ‘secret’ in that it wouldn’t be obvious to anyone else. The National Park is a lower possibility IMO as that would be further away and is open to the public.

Why would someone risk driving too faraway with a body in their vehicle? My guess is one of the homesteads. Because the alleged suspect seems to have made up a story about Gus wandering off in Oak Park, I think the body was concealed “in the opposite direction” - not literally, but with searchers in one area, the body was taken elsewhere.

Another thought is that Jess is more likely to be familiar with Oak Park than Bullaninnie so there’d be a risk she might guess the location.
 
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He could be but my guess is somewhere on Oak Park or Bullaninnie (sp?) or the nearby National Park. I think it will be somewhere known to the people involved but ‘secret’ in that it wouldn’t be obvious to anyone else. The National Park is a lower possibility IMO as that would be further away and is open to the public.

Why would someone risk driving too faraway with a body in their vehicle? My guess is one of the homesteads. Because the alleged suspect seems to have made up a story about Gus wandering off in Oak Park, I think the body was concealed “in the opposite direction” - not literally, but with searchers in one area, the body was taken elsewhere.

Another thought is that Jess is more likely to be familiar with Oak Park than Bullaninnie so there’d be a risk she might guess the location.
The national park is closer. Bullyaninnie is about 30km west of Oak Park. The Pualco Range Conservation Park is about 10km south of Oak Park.
 

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