Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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I've only seen reported in the earlier day's being a 2.5km radius
I looked into this further and it appears that for a child of 4 and up, 1/2 mile per year of age is a good rule of thumb. So Gus should have been able to walk 2 miles without undue difficulty.


Obviously this depends on how active and fit an individual child is and how used they are to being active. No doubt there are some very sedentary kids who would struggle to walk 100m but equally there will be 4 year olds in traditional nomadic groups who could easily cover 5 to 10 miles in a day.
 
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It's also such a definitive announcement. Like they are aware of the outcome.

Perhaps, in tandem with technology, they have an assisting POI who aided in identifying a location...

JMO
 
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Such a remote location. I can't fathom that reporters are camped out. So why is LE giving advanced notice?

Is it for public interest? Doubt it. Is it to stave media? Maybe. To spook someone, if foul play is suspected? Two-fold move? Follow up on targeted intel AND put someone on notice, see what they'll do?

Why the scheduled search. Who not just descend upon it and inform the media in real time?

Wondering what had led them to the new search area...

Drone anomaly... colors... disturbed earth... cellphone or vehicle telematics?

Let's bring that little guy home.

JMO
I too wondered why this search has been announced. I'm not sure what that achieves.... Why not just do it as part of the ongoing efforts then announce results or not, depending on the outcome? Can more experienced web-sleuthers elaborate?
 
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I guess that when there’s no real info or few details it’s natural to be attentive to LE wording of statements. There’s got to be more evidence for them to announce another search of the area IMO. Gonna be bracing myself for whatever happens.
 
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I too wondered why this search has been announced. I'm not sure what that achieves.... Why not just do it as part of the ongoing efforts then announce results or not, depending on the outcome? Can more experienced web-sleuthers elaborate?

The same strategy was used in case of Australian Samantha M targeted searches.
There were photos from Canadian Forest in MSM with officers and Police dogs searching.
But, unfortunately, she is still missing :(
 
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The same strategy was used in case of Australian Samantha M targeted searches.
But, unfortunately, she is still missing :(
But at least they have the killer locked up it seems.
 
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I too wondered why this search has been announced. I'm not sure what that achieves.... Why not just do it as part of the ongoing efforts then announce results or not, depending on the outcome? Can more experienced web-sleuthers elaborate?

If they didn't make the announcement everyone would probably be saying "why didn't they tell anyone they were going to do another search? What's the big secret? They said they were scaling back."

Probably whichever way the police try to deal with the publicity, there will be speculation. Everyone wants Gus to be found.

imo
 
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I too wondered why this search has been announced. I'm not sure what that achieves.... Why not just do it as part of the ongoing efforts then announce results or not, depending on the outcome? Can more experienced web-sleuthers elaborate?

That's why it stands out.

What would be the point of announcing a bombshell search if it's just speculative? Then have a presser to say, whoops, when it comes up empty?

More likely, LE has something. Like a peculiar disturbance discovered in the drone data. Or digital forensics isolated a point of extreme interest.

In attention, cooperating and assisting might be words of distinction without a difference except LE highlighted a difference in how they said it, two different things.

Cooperating, to me, means being cooperative, answering questions, making cellphones available, granting search access, etc.

Assisting goes beyond that. Not just cooperating but participating.

Maybe there's a POI who was confronted with evidence who is now helping, arrest forthcoming.

Maybe there's a witness who is assisting LE...

It's a marked change.

JMO
 
  • #1,370
I have a stupid question. What do you do on a sheep station when there aren't any sheep? How do you earn an income and generate enough expendable income to live?

(I'm not a sheep farm girlie so humour me...)
Depends on a whole lot of factors. Excuse the incoming essay, but I’ll try answer your question the best I can.

If the property has been owned by the same family for several generations and the business hasn’t bought out neighbours or other paddocks to expand, there shouldn’t be a debt burden to service which is a big assist in running a “small” family business.
Anyone trying to run a sustainable operation will have drought plans and ideally will be able to absorb the hit from a dry year or so, particularly if they’ve been profitable in the past and money has be put away in farm management deposits to draw on in leaner years (like now).
Cashflow is very seasonal even in a regular year, most sheep operations will basically generate an income once or twice a year and that has to stretch across the rest of the year to cover everything else (including living expenses for whoever is running it). One, the wool clip if you’re a woolgrower - not that wool prices have been substantial over the past decade compared to running costs - and two, lamb sales if you’re running a self replacing flock.
In a drought if you don’t have the manpower, reserves or infrastructure to containment feed (grain and hay or a combination pellet) you have no choice but to de stock.
Wiser operators will “lighten off” early and take advantage of the higher prices before everyone else panics and sells once the dry really sets in, because the livestock market is very supply/demand driven so a glut of supply naturally drives prices down.
If you sell off all of your livestock, you’ll have a sizeable cash injection at that point so budget to cover overheads and survive off that, not an unfamiliar concept to most of us - The issue in de stocking totally, whether by choice or necessity, is that you’ve crippled your future earning potential, and will likely have to borrow money to re establish a breeding flock when seasonal conditions recover, and on it goes.
Obviously whether you are running stock or not, expenses like pastoral board/council rates still need paying (and given the absurd property prices these days it’s always a sizeable hit) registration and maintenance on vehicles, telephone and internet, maintaining fences, water infrastructure, tracks (most properties have earthmoving equipment of their own to maintain their own internal roads) and pest management all still needs to be paid for.
This is why corporates are becoming such a huge player in the Australian agriculture industry for better or worse, and many small towns (see Yunta or nearby Peterborough) are basically dying as it’s increasingly difficult to support a family, let alone multiple generations of a family, on the income from a properties like this, despite the million dollar valuations on paper.

It would be a busy place to run.

There would be workers. Lots of maintenance people entering and leaving, who would be assisting in the station operations

Vans as also delivering food, house items

Trucks for produce and animal feeds

As I’ve tried to explain above, I’d say majority of the properties under these circumstances are hard pressed supporting an owner/operator and their family.
Labour is expensive (and rightly so, everyone deserves a fair wage for their work) so unless you’re a large corporate entity (like Jumbuck or McBrides invoked in another comment here) most family enterprises will do as much of their own maintenance as humanely possible from vehicles to water infrastructure and fencing. Spending on contractors is generally reserved for the really labour intensive, more specialised tasks like shearing, but it’s not completely unheard of for people to do their own shearing or whatever if you’re in a position where keeping costs down is more important than efficiency.
From experience living in similar isolation, I’d say one of the adults on the property would head to a regional center once every few weeks for “stores” - maybe Burra, Peterborough or Jamestown, maybe Port Pirie or Clare for “bigger” shops at Woolworths or Coles - if you’re running sheep you generally butcher your own meat and only buy in what you don’t grow yourself.
There’s no milkman coming by once or twice a week with supplies, and being less than an hour from Yunta I’d be very surprised if they didn’t collect their own mail from town.
 
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I'm afraid that family may end up more fractured than it already is.
 
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1799 Oak Park Road going from SA government map viewer has that property on the otherside of Oak Park Station. It's what people on here have been calling the junk yard.

Also notice that realestate.com have 1799 listed as sold in 1999.

Lot 6 Oak Park Road on the same mapviewer seems to be in the location of Oak Park Station and Real Estate.com have that listed as sold in 2022.

1799 and lot 6 seem to have the exact same planparcel ID.


Real estate.com says there is only 6 properties on Oak Park Road. 2 other properties have the same ID'S which I believe are both Tiverton Station going by map locations.



I personally am not good at reading that sort of data lol So maybe someone more tech savvy with data and maps could have a look.
Marg was right it is 1799 Oak Park Road - Screen Recording from source Location SA Viewer


Note: I don't know who owns the parcels of land surrounding it, any of them could be their land as well.
 
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I tried to do all the math with square miles, square km, acres and hectares, and I got in such a muddle I had to give up. I have decided not to think about it again.
Same here.
It made my head hurt :)
 
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Count me in as another one questioning
why the announcement, especially given how much scrutiny there's been in regards to the family and the details surrounding Gus' disappearance.

They only need to get their ducks in a row, inform the family of their plans, and quietly execute their search tomorrow. Are they hoping someone cracks overnight? Perhaps hoping the media will descend and capture the moment he's found (cold, but maybe somewhat of a PR stunt, especially if there's questions around their competency in this case.)? Or perhaps it's nothing more than an update on the case as it's such high profile.

I'm hoping for some closure tomorrow, and hoping that if he has actually wandered away and perished, that it is well away from the search area. It doesn't change the fact that he's (likely) dead, but it seems to hurt more if he was so close to being found, especially if the outcome could have been different if he was found in the first day of so. It just seems to make the loss that much harder.
 
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Depends on a whole lot of factors. Excuse the incoming essay, but I’ll try answer your question the best I can.

If the property has been owned by the same family for several generations and the business hasn’t bought out neighbours or other paddocks to expand, there shouldn’t be a debt burden to service which is a big assist in running a “small” family business.
Anyone trying to run a sustainable operation will have drought plans and ideally will be able to absorb the hit from a dry year or so, particularly if they’ve been profitable in the past and money has be put away in farm management deposits to draw on in leaner years (like now).
Cashflow is very seasonal even in a regular year, most sheep operations will basically generate an income once or twice a year and that has to stretch across the rest of the year to cover everything else (including living expenses for whoever is running it). One, the wool clip if you’re a woolgrower - not that wool prices have been substantial over the past decade compared to running costs - and two, lamb sales if you’re running a self replacing flock.
In a drought if you don’t have the manpower, reserves or infrastructure to containment feed (grain and hay or a combination pellet) you have no choice but to de stock.
Wiser operators will “lighten off” early and take advantage of the higher prices before everyone else panics and sells once the dry really sets in, because the livestock market is very supply/demand driven so a glut of supply naturally drives prices down.
If you sell off all of your livestock, you’ll have a sizeable cash injection at that point so budget to cover overheads and survive off that, not an unfamiliar concept to most of us - The issue in de stocking totally, whether by choice or necessity, is that you’ve crippled your future earning potential, and will likely have to borrow money to re establish a breeding flock when seasonal conditions recover, and on it goes.
Obviously whether you are running stock or not, expenses like pastoral board/council rates still need paying (and given the absurd property prices these days it’s always a sizeable hit) registration and maintenance on vehicles, telephone and internet, maintaining fences, water infrastructure, tracks (most properties have earthmoving equipment of their own to maintain their own internal roads) and pest management all still needs to be paid for.
This is why corporates are becoming such a huge player in the Australian agriculture industry for better or worse, and many small towns (see Yunta or nearby Peterborough) are basically dying as it’s increasingly difficult to support a family, let alone multiple generations of a family, on the income from a properties like this, despite the million dollar valuations on paper.



As I’ve tried to explain above, I’d say majority of the properties under these circumstances are hard pressed supporting an owner/operator and their family.
Labour is expensive (and rightly so, everyone deserves a fair wage for their work) so unless you’re a large corporate entity (like Jumbuck or McBrides invoked in another comment here) most family enterprises will do as much of their own maintenance as humanely possible from vehicles to water infrastructure and fencing. Spending on contractors is generally reserved for the really labour intensive, more specialised tasks like shearing, but it’s not completely unheard of for people to do their own shearing or whatever if you’re in a position where keeping costs down is more important than efficiency.
From experience living in similar isolation, I’d say one of the adults on the property would head to a regional center once every few weeks for “stores” - maybe Burra, Peterborough or Jamestown, maybe Port Pirie or Clare for “bigger” shops at Woolworths or Coles - if you’re running sheep you generally butcher your own meat and only buy in what you don’t grow yourself.
There’s no milkman coming by once or twice a week with supplies, and being less than an hour from Yunta I’d be very surprised if they didn’t collect their own mail from town.
You are just such a gem, thank you I much.
 
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Yes, thanks, I meant the infrared doesn’t have GPR capabilities AFAIK, it’s separate tech, right?
Yes, you're right, they are two different and seperate technologies.
 
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I too wondered why this search has been announced. I'm not sure what that achieves.... Why not just do it as part of the ongoing efforts then announce results or not, depending on the outcome? Can more experienced web-sleuthers elaborate?
Was it announced as a press conference or a press release to media?

It would have been announced a day early so that media had time to get their butts down to the property, which probably takes a day from Sydney.

Imo

To follow on from the practicalities of allowing journalists to reach their destination in a timely fashion, maybe the police wanted their operation to be transparent to the public, especially given the enormous public interest in the case, or maybe their announcement is operational strategy to snare an unwitting POI to say or do something incriminating?
 
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If they didn't make the announcement everyone would probably be saying "why didn't they tell anyone they were going to do another search? What's the big secret? They said they were scaling back."

Probably whichever way the police try to deal with the publicity, there will be speculation. Everyone wants Gus to be found.

imo
Exactly.
I think they announced it so people couldn't accuse them of not being transparent.
 
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I looked into this further and it appears that for a child of 4 and up, 1/2 mile per year of age is a good rule of thumb. So Gus should have been able to walk 2 miles without undue difficulty.


Obviously this depends on how active and fit an individual child is and how used they are to being active. No doubt there are some very sedentary kids who would struggle to walk 100m but equally there will be 4 year olds in traditional nomadic groups who could easily cover 5 to 10 miles in a day.


IMO it would have not been on the highest side of capability because of lack of food and water and fear. But presumably he would have crashed a few times and then wandered again with a burst of energy so he may have quite far assuming he wandered
 
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It would have been announced a day early so that media had time to get their butts down to the property, which probably takes a day from Sydney.

But.. but...

Didn't family ask Media firmly
to KEEP AWAY from property??

Is this new search STILL within the property?
I guess so.
 

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