Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

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We don't know when Gus' mother and grandparent joined the search - that is, when they arrived back at the homestead.
We don't know when neighbours may have joined the search.

The grandmother was also minding a 1-year old when she realised Gus wasn't there. She likely couldn't have searched very far, on her own with a 1-year old in tow.

We also don't know if Gus was conscious when they were searching.

imo
My point exactly. If Gus were unconscious then he likely was rather near the point last seen, greatly increasing the likelihood he'd be found

And Gramma, in my opinion, almost certainly yelled his name more than once....early on, at 5:30, before anyone else comes along, yet Gus never made a sound.

It doesn't add up in this old country boys way of thinking.

Gramma would be yellin' for Gus, Gus never answered. Gus didn't yell out through the early evening hours. Think about it, the quiet of evening, and a 4 year old boy, darkness setting in....he didn't hear anyone calling his name, and no one heard him yelling for his momma.

Strange.
 
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So I guess we could assume Gramma never called out Gus's name, but I find that highly unlikely.

For Gus not to hear, he had to be unconscious or deceased, willfully ignoring, or too distant to hear.

If unconscious or deceased, it happened in the first half hour, placing him closer to the house.

If willfully ignoring, I'd think as night came, that little game wouldn't be fun anymore

And in a half hour, likely less, he'd be in earshot of a yelling Grammy. They'd hear each other

But they didn't.
 
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The young man never even cried out for help. Isn't that odd? 4 years old, lost, dark, 3 adults frantically searching, and Gus never made a peep. No screaming, no wailing, no yelling MOMMY.

I'd imagine the three were yelling his name, yet never heard a sound.

Don't you think when first noticed missing, that some yelling of his name likely occured, right at 5:30ish... he'd only been gone a max of half an hour...my gut says he'd still be in earshot.

Was he already dead? Playing hide and seek? Why would a 4 year old not be heard yelling for his mommy in the still of night? Makes no sense.
Because he wasn’t on the property.
 
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And let's not forget, Sunset that evening was ~6:10pm and Astronomical Twilight (darkest point of twilight) was at ~7:40pm.

That's nearing pitch black with a bit of moon and Milky Way light. And temperatures would have dropped fast.

I posit wee Gus, if he did wander, would have not gone far after sunset that night, and would have been in earshot, if alive.

IMO
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Gramma would be yellin' for Gus, Gus never answered. Gus didn't yell out through the early evening hours. Think about it, the quiet of evening, and a 4 year old boy, darkness setting in....he didn't hear anyone calling his name, and no one heard him yelling for his momma.
RSBM

In the spirit of sleuthing all possibilities though, what if Gus was non-verbal? If so, he would not have called out / back.
 
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RSBM

In the spirit of sleuthing all possibilities though, what if Gus was non-verbal? If so, he would not have called out / back.
Well now, non verbal truly would throw a twist in to things, including the obvious danger in allowing a non verbal 4 year old outside to play on his own in the presence of venomous snakes.
 
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Every time I read about this case I can’t help but remember how long it took to find any trace of Azaria Chamberlain.
 
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Well now, non verbal truly would throw a twist in to things, including the obvious danger in allowing a non verbal 4 year old outside to play on his own in the presence of venomous snakes.
non-verbal generally means non-speaking. It doesn't mean silent.
Non-verbal children are, more often than not in my experience, actually quite loud.

We have no indication he's non-verbal anyway.
 
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non-verbal generally means non-speaking. It doesn't mean silent.
Non-verbal children are, more often than not in my experience, actually quite loud.

We have no indication he's non-verbal anyway.
Well, there are different types of non-verbal young children, aren't there?

Selective Mutism (SM) for example, often stems from anxiety associated with speech. So a child with SM who is lost may actually not be inclined to verbalize.

They may instead freeze in response to the stress of being lost or fear of having to communicate with strangers, etc.

I am not an expert, although I had SM as a child due to emotional trauma.

And we know nothing about wee Gus' behavior other than he played one late afternoon on a sand pile with a shovel.

So this is really just a discussion about "what if?" Gus had verbalization issues.


IMO.
 
  • #3,730
There are a few factors that could affect how noise travels.

If there is a breeze in the opposite direction to a person yelling, then it may easily not be heard from not too far away.

Also, if there is a small hill between a person yelling and Gus, it's likely to not be heard.

Gus was described as "quiet" and "adventurous". It's possible he frequently wandered from the home but on this occasion it was not where he was expected to be.

What would a 4 year old do to keep warm? I think once it started getting cold he'd probably curl himself up. Would he also try to cover himself with something? Personally, I think it would have been difficult to survive one night out there as an adult let alone a small child. The ground probably retained a bit of heat for a few hours but it got down to 6 degrees Celsius I think.
 
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My point exactly. If Gus were unconscious then he likely was rather near the point last seen, greatly increasing the likelihood he'd be found

And Gramma, in my opinion, almost certainly yelled his name more than once....early on, at 5:30, before anyone else comes along, yet Gus never made a sound.

It doesn't add up in this old country boys way of thinking.

Gramma would be yellin' for Gus, Gus never answered. Gus didn't yell out through the early evening hours. Think about it, the quiet of evening, and a 4 year old boy, darkness setting in....he didn't hear anyone calling his name, and no one heard him yelling for his momma.

Strange.
I asked this upthread.... and why the family dogs would not find him...they are dogs that herd and would have good hearing and sense of smell...but apparently autism "wandering" is common and the "experts" say expect it, have a plan, use tracking devices:

Study finds autism wandering is common

Autism Speaks
https://www.autismspeaks.org › blog › study-confirms-a...




Nearly half (49 percent) of parents reported that a child with ASD had attempted to wander or run away at least once after age 4. Over half of these wandering ...


Autism & Wandering: Safety Tips for Parents

Child Mind Institute
https://childmind.org › article › autism-plus-wandering




Oct 30, 2025 — Kids with autism may wander because they have a weaker sense of danger than other kids. Or they may get fixated on exploring something interesting.


What to Do When Your Child Elopes

Marcus Autism Center
https://www.marcus.org › autism-tips-and-resources › w...




It's common for children who have autism spectrum disorder (ASD) to run or wander away from caregivers or secure locations. This is called elopement.


Wandering Off (Elopement)—Autism Toolkit

True North Kressly Pediatrics
https://kressly.truenorthdocs.com › Autism-Wandering-...




Aug 6, 2023 — Research shows that about 1 in 3 young children with ASD has tried to wander off. This behavior may continue to happen in older children and even teenagers and ..


  • Wandering (Elopement) | Child Development - CDC
    Jul 30, 2025 — About half of children and youth with ASD were reported to wander. Based on a survey of parents, about half of childre...
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention | CDC (.gov)



  • Half of All Autistic Kids Will Run Away, Tragedy Often Follows
    May 1, 2013 — May 1, 2013, 10:45 AM. May 2, 2013 -- Within hours one day in April, two children went missing hundreds of miles apar...
    ABC News
 
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A child that thinks they are in trouble may not respond. And might run or hide. I certainly did that as a child and hid from my angry mother. I imagine if I thought I was in trouble with another relative I might have been even more terrified.
 
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RSBM

In the spirit of sleuthing all possibilities though, what if Gus was non-verbal? If so, he would not have called out / back.
That information would’ve been made public
 
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We do not know if the shotgun was loaded at that time
Why would she say it was for snake protection if it wasn't loaded? Kind of useless at that point because no time to load it if you see the snake on your porch already...
And It was Shannon who was watching Gus so only she can answer why he was allowed outside.
Right, but you do see the question----why the need for a shotgun for snake protection but then allow a 4 yr old to play all alone, pretty far from the house, in a pile of dirt, where snakes and spiders would be expected to appear?

Sometimes bodies do get missed even when same ground is searched over and over, as is well known from past cases. It happens!
Either bodies? Who else? I am just talking about Gus.

Yes, sorry, that was a mental glitch because I am also following Jack and Lily case, very similar circumstances...
Anyways, this is just my opinion from everything we've learned thus far. Thats all.
Good discussion, I hear ya!
 
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Well spotted.

Yeah I agree the footage was excellent and educational. Being missed is the most feasible possibility, more feasible JMO than a successful cover up (just too many impossible leaps) or an abduction. To be clear this is MOO based on what is most realistic, assuming crime scene detectives know their jobs and are exercising due diligence. Additionally assuming SAPOL are being truthful when updating the public rather than actively misleading. Jmo
Most of the searchers don’t appear to pay attention underneath the salt bushes .
 
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Why would she say it was for snake protection if it wasn't loaded? Kind of useless at that point because no time to load it if you see the snake on your porch already...

Right, but you do see the question----why the need for a shotgun for snake protection but then allow a 4 yr old to play all alone, pretty far from the house, in a pile of dirt, where snakes and spiders would be expected to appear?



Yes, sorry, that was a mental glitch because I am also following Jack and Lily case, very similar circumstances...

Good discussion, I hear ya!
I think you might be making some assumptions about how snakes behave, including dangerous snakes such as brown snakes and dugites.

Moo people who are bitten by snakes are almost never attacked by them unprovoked. Bites usually happen on lower legs or ankles when a person accidentally steps on one or otherwise inadvertently makes contact with a snake that is laying low.. My understanding and experience is most snakes in Aust will either move away when they see, smell or hear a person approaching, or they will stay still and hidden if there isn't time ( from the snake's estimation) to move.

I have seen snakes in the wild only a handful times throughout my life despite extensive bushwalking, walking in marshy areas and walking through Sand dunes. On all but one occasion I only ever caught a glimpse of the snake from the corner of my eye as it either slithered away or remained still. I remember one time clearly as a child when I was going along a sandy dune path to a public beach and as I stepped over some dry brush on the path I saw a partially concealed snake lying very still beneath it. It didn't move and I hurried on my way!

I grew up until a tween on a 5 acre pristine bush block. We were allowed to play outside and had a great time. My parents loved us and were responsible parents, balancing our freedom to play and explore with basic instructions on what to do on the chance we ever saw a snake (I never did once on that property though I heard slithers in the bush sometimes as snakes and other critters fled on our approach).

My father told us to make noise and to stamp and watch our feet if we were romping through the bush because this scared snakes away. If we ever saw one, don't touch, back up and go another way.

Concerning the snake on Oak Park homestead porch, as a reptile a snake IMO will make its way to a porch to get some sun, more likely in September and October; but only if it senses no human (or dog) movement or presence there at the time. Jmo

Imo the incident could have easily happened like this: IIRC Ms. Bray claimed JM rounded a corner of the house with rifle in hand. Seems to me the snake had likely been on the opposite porch to the one where the surreptitious (upside down) and non-consented to footage was recorded. JM could have seen the snake sunning itself on the back porch, she gets the rifle, carrying the shells in hand. As she approaches the snake it would either have immediately slithered off the porch to seek cover, or if caught by surprise then Imo JM could have poked it while standing back with the barrel, causing snake to immediately slither off the porch. As an experienced bushy I really doubt she would have had intentions
to shoot at it on the porch itself though I guess it's possible. The rifle, even unloaded, acts as a safety guard against a snake which you are deliberately approaching. Jmo

Any number of scenarios would make sense from this point. E.g. JM may have lost sight of the snake if it made a quick get away (no need to load and shoot after all) or she may have clocked it hiding/freezing under a bush; at this point she could have heard voices (SM talking to someone ie Ms. Bray) and walked around the house to see what was what prior to loading the rifle. In that case, you can be pretty sure the snake would have been long gone by the time she returned. My point is, there's no reason to assume the rifle had to be loaded. And moo, no one needs to have made up a story about a snake Moo.

On you criticism of the grandparents' supervision as it specifically relates to snakes: I'm not sure it's warranted to be making assumptions that they were blase/ indifferent?? concerning Gus' safety! To me your post makes it sound like you believe the place was constantly teeming with aggressive, dangerous snakes. If so, that is highly unlikely to be the case IMO. Seems to me that sand pile is in shade, and it's not like a snake would be expected to approach and attack Gus as he played. Snakes will slither off as soon as they hear or smell a human approaching.

We also don't know if Gus had been given basic instructions on what to do if he saw a snake; also, on the day he went missing he was appropriately dressed in pants and boots. Given all that I think Gus was very likely quite safe from snakes playing in the sand 'like he usually did". (Per msm accounts of SAPOL updates).

*Moo spiders unlikely to be hanging in sand and like snakes will move away if they can. Redbacks hide in
dark corners not sand.
 
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I respect your opinion and understand why.
I am sure everyone of us here have different thoughts of what potentially happened and/or how they view people and organisations involved.
Thanks for that response.That's very true. I appreciate and respect you making the point. All good.
 
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bbm
I want to know also.
I think perhaps the commenter who said that got two different cases mixed up mid-comment - they started out by talking about Gus, but I suspect the "either bodies" remark is about the Sullivan children. Very similar conversations happening in both threads about the likelihood of small children wandering off and no trace of them being found
 
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Most of the searchers don’t appear to pay attention underneath the salt bushes .
Yes! I noticed that in the few clips I saw. That the searchers didnt seem to have poles to poke around in the brush bit by bit and moved along quickly. Of course they couldve just been moving quickly to go to new search areas and a few short clips is not enough to make a proper judgement. They would know what they are doing! But still...
 

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