Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[_sleuthdog_]

Hypothetically let’s say SM is the suspect and JM is innocent - how is gender important then?

I too am tired of the gender debate here and as noted above there is a victim (a child no less!) and family suffering. The “I told you so” type comments, particularly referring to JM, aren’t helpful either.

 

[tlcya]

LE believe Gus didn't wander off and wasn't abducted. That leaves only death and coverup of said death. Sigh, it's taken a long long time to get to this point. Given that mother and Josie were 10K away I'd say that leaves Shannon as the only adult present when Gus went missing making her the logical unnamed suspect.

It has been revealed a member of Gus Lamont's family at Oak Park Station is no longer co-operating with police as they continue to probe his disappearance.

It is understood Gus grandmother, grandparent, mother and younger brother were on the property at the time.

Gus Lamont's parents are not suspects in the investigation.
Gus Lamont updates LIVE: Cops identify ONE suspect in disappearance

 

[jepop]

I think any convo here of gender or anything related is ridiculous. There is a dead child.

Does make me wonder if that’s why this was put out so quickly in the case though - to distract.

Exactly as it’s working here

I agree. There is a dead child, the convo on gender is a major distraction.Moo

But unsure what you mean by "... wonder if that's why this was put out so quickly in the case though - to distract, exactly as it's working here".

If you mean the Police, then IMO they have never referred once to gender when updating the public. The topic has primarily been fanned by select MSM (the DM I believe) and I guess on social media outside WS. My understanding is it is deemed OT here, though ICBW.

 

[jepop]

IMO a criminal lawyer is someone representing a person in a criminal case while a defence lawyer specifically represents the accused

That is a good point. I did not pick up on the difference in lawyers. SM could be the current suspect, or alternatively anticipates becoming one. Jmo

 

[TMich6811]

I agree. There is a dead child, the convo on gender is a major distraction.Moo

But unsure what you mean by "... wonder if that's why this was put out so quickly in the case though - to distract, exactly as it's working here".

If you mean the Police, then IMO they have never referred once to gender when updating the public. The topic has primarily been fanned by select MSM (the DM I believe) and I guess on social media outside WS. My understanding is it is deemed OT here, though ICBW.

it was an oddly early convo and blasted on everything very very early on. I just said it’s possible it was used as a distraction as it was discussed so early and picked up quickly. nothing related to LE

 

[TMich6811]

I think gender can be very important to consider when exploring motives, if a crime has occurred.

Can be sure, I don’t feel at this point the conversation has anything to down with that or is related at all

 

[kurtneverdied]

That is a good point. I did not pick up on the difference in lawyers. SM could be the current suspect, or alternatively anticipates becoming one. Jmo

She will have to defend herself if she knew what happened and lied about it so perhaps a lawyer to argue she was perhaps threatened or felt she had to for her own safety.

 

[kurtneverdied]

LE believe Gus didn't wander off and wasn't abducted. That leaves only death and coverup of said death. Sigh, it's taken a long long time to get to this point. Given that mother and Josie were 10K away I'd say that leaves Shannon as the only adult present when Gus went missing making her the logical unnamed suspect.

That is just the story the family gave so who knows if there was any truth to it.

 

[tlcya]

That is just the story the family gave so who knows if there was any truth to it.

If there were more members of the family involved I would think LE would say they suspect members of the family, not one specific one who's timeline has inconsistencies. MOO the sole adult who was present and claims to have been the last to see him is the one LE are looking at.

I am wondering why NOW LE chose to share this info. Inconsistencies with that individuals story would or should have been apparent early on.

 

[all_things_resolved]

The news.com.au article did mention that the suspect was a man.
It's no longer there. They've taken it out.

The police said nothing about whether the suspect was a man or a woman.

Yes I saw it too on news.com.au around 2 hours ago. It stated it was a man. It must have been taken down. And they have also added the following sentence at the end of the article now. “There is no suggestion that Josie or Shannon Murray were involved in Gus’ disappearance”.

 

[Bats]

If there were more members of the family involved I would think LE would say they suspect members of the family, not one specific one who's timeline has inconsistencies. MOO the sole adult who was present and claims to have been the last to see him is the one LE are looking at.

I am wondering why NOW LE chose to share this info. Inconsistencies with that individuals story would or should have been apparent early on.

Yes, I have no doubt that investigators could see inconsistencies very early on. Hence, very early on the messaging was "nothing is off the table".

It was very important for investigators to be able to rule out the "wandered off" story they were being told.

Even now, they don't know what happened to Gus. They are only confident he didn't wander off based on statistics and that together with the inconsistencies in a story is why they can reveal they have a "suspect". A suspect that is not under arrest but would no doubt be feeling the full pressure, as their lie is being carefully unpicked.

MOO

 

[kurtneverdied]

If there were more members of the family involved I would think LE would say they suspect members of the family, not one specific one who's timeline has inconsistencies. MOO the sole adult who was present and claims to have been the last to see him is the one LE are looking at.

I am wondering why NOW LE chose to share this info. Inconsistencies with that individuals story would or should have been apparent early on.

I think LE are talking about the suspect is the one who either killed and/or hid Gus.
I would assume that any others in the family that may know what happened would be treated as they were perhaps feeling threatened or in danger if they didn't go by the suspects version of events, but they would still likely have to face the courts.
However you may be right and only the suspect knows knows the real story and told the other family members a lie.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Could the perpetrator be autogenophilic? It's my understanding that paraphilic interests often co-occur.

I suspect you mean autogynophilic.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Then what is that mysterious paraphilia aka elephant in the room?

It's autogynophilia - a fetish in which a man is sexually aroused by imagining himself as a woman or as having a female body, and more specifically by imagining himself having sex as a woman.

I'm not sure what specific point Athena is making but the above is just by way of explanation or clarification so folks know what she is referring to.

 

[Rosydecember]

Adding, afaik, after reading that article twice, there is not one reference to 'a man' in it. So moo a reference to a 'man' actually doesn't exist in the report linked by OP.

The article was updated… considering OP copied and pasted from the article, I would imagine someone got a stern talking to and updated the article

 

[Ghostwheel]

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[ChatteringBirds]

Quotes snipped by me.

The tyranny of distance doesn't give you the option of waiting for someone to come.

You're right, but the point being an accident, even something like a caved-in sand pile or fall, would lead almost anyone to seek help somehow, no matter how bad the injuries seemed. Not a cover-up. That didn't happen, so I suspect it was not an accident.

I am sure the home has been bugged

Wait -- is LE allowed to do that in Australia? Would evidence obtained in such a manner be admissible?

There was an American case years ago in which LE did that and the parents received a legal settlement.

Why separate lawyers?

It would make no sense if the two grandmothers had the same lawyer, since LE has said someone in the family has stopped cooperating.
They need separate representation, because how can the one who is cooperating trust the one who isn't?