• #4,841
A few things I've been mulling over the last few days whilst reading through the forum and gathering new thoughts. The below comments are of course, my thoughts only, and speculation based on information I have previously read with my own personal thoughts adding further on these topics.

Could it be possible the police have seized items which may have search history of things such as locations, how to conceal, questions around accidental death, how to remove evidence etc. maybe this also ties into the seizure of the car/motorbike; perhaps they believe this was the method of transportation, perhaps there are GPS searches which can be combined with web searches of locations? (Maybe there has been search history and maps for the Nat Park area)

Do we think it's at all possible police may have installed listening devices at the homestead? Could they have been watching any internet browsing (I'm not sure if police intelligence is able to do this remotely - someone maybe able to answer this). I can't help but feel, maybe SAPOL were deliberately giving the family the feeling that they were also treating this as a case of misadventure only to create some feeling of ease for someone to be more relaxed and not looking to immediately wipe/ conceal anything of possible interest. I feel it seems suddenly the case at one point went firmly from there is 'no foul play' to, 'there is no indication of foul play but we are open to investigating all avenues'. That is when my senses really told me something was off, even though I felt it to be true not long after this case broke. I have been out in that country and also around many kids of Gus age, even adventurous kids, and something just didnt sit right. The lack of any dropped clothing or items, the time of day being near dusk, the landscape just didn't seem right. I do wonder, where police genuinely thinking in the early stages that abduction was a genuine consideration? Mostly due to the fact of the photo release, given they have said themselves Oak Park is not somewhere you would be unless very lost or meaning to be there, I would assume they had reasoned that releasing a photo would surely only be of benefit if he truely had been abducted.

Not to sound ageist, and truthfully I mean this without offence, but some older folk aren't always aware of retained internet browsing history/ multiple tabs open and how to close them off when finished. Could they have come across something on a phone or tablet of interest? I'm pondering, is the mention of the Nat Park purely speculative, a thought only because Oak Park has been search thoroughly so looking elsewhere, or has something specifically drawn them to this location?

I know snake bites have been previously mentioned here, but truthfully I don't think this is a consideration. I don't believe if Gus were to have passed to a snake bite that it would lead to concealment of this occurrence. This would surely be treated as purely accidental, it can happen to anyone regardless of whether they are accompanied or alone, so I don't believe that it would be motive to conceal for any concerns of negligence by SM etc. it doesn't really seem to have any weight. I would more so understand falling off a roof or structure, or accident through machinery, etc. to be somewhat more believable in case of concealment for the nature of negligence.

This is probably a how long is a piece of string question, but does anyone have thoughts around how long it may be until another update is made, will it be weeks of investigating these items? I wonder what SAPOL next step will be, if nothing of interest is returned on the seized items? The fact they have said they have a suspect, leads me to think there has been something pretty solid found already.
 
  • #4,842
A few things I've been mulling over the last few days whilst reading through the forum and gathering new thoughts. The below comments are of course, my thoughts only, and speculation based on information I have previously read with my own personal thoughts adding further on these topics.

Could it be possible the police have seized items which may have search history of things such as locations, how to conceal, questions around accidental death, how to remove evidence etc. maybe this also ties into the seizure of the car/motorbike; perhaps they believe this was the method of transportation, perhaps there are GPS searches which can be combined with web searches of locations? (Maybe there has been search history and maps for the Nat Park area)

Do we think it's at all possible police may have installed listening devices at the homestead? Could they have been watching any internet browsing (I'm not sure if police intelligence is able to do this remotely - someone maybe able to answer this). I can't help but feel, maybe SAPOL were deliberately giving the family the feeling that they were also treating this as a case of misadventure only to create some feeling of ease for someone to be more relaxed and not looking to immediately wipe/ conceal anything of possible interest. I feel it seems suddenly the case at one point went firmly from there is 'no foul play' to, 'there is no indication of foul play but we are open to investigating all avenues'. That is when my senses really told me something was off, even though I felt it to be true not long after this case broke. I have been out in that country and also around many kids of Gus age, even adventurous kids, and something just didnt sit right. The lack of any dropped clothing or items, the time of day being near dusk, the landscape just didn't seem right. I do wonder, where police genuinely thinking in the early stages that abduction was a genuine consideration? Mostly due to the fact of the photo release, given they have said themselves Oak Park is not somewhere you would be unless very lost or meaning to be there, I would assume they had reasoned that releasing a photo would surely only be of benefit if he truely had been abducted.

Not to sound ageist, and truthfully I mean this without offence, but some older folk aren't always aware of retained internet browsing history/ multiple tabs open and how to close them off when finished. Could they have come across something on a phone or tablet of interest? I'm pondering, is the mention of the Nat Park purely speculative, a thought only because Oak Park has been search thoroughly so looking elsewhere, or has something specifically drawn them to this location?

I know snake bites have been previously mentioned here, but truthfully I don't think this is a consideration. I don't believe if Gus were to have passed to a snake bite that it would lead to concealment of this occurrence. This would surely be treated as purely accidental, it can happen to anyone regardless of whether they are accompanied or alone, so I don't believe that it would be motive to conceal for any concerns of negligence by SM etc. it doesn't really seem to have any weight. I would more so understand falling off a roof or structure, or accident through machinery, etc. to be somewhat more believable in case of concealment for the nature of negligence.

This is probably a how long is a piece of string question, but does anyone have thoughts around how long it may be until another update is made, will it be weeks of investigating these items? I wonder what SAPOL next step will be, if nothing of interest is returned on the seized items? The fact they have said they have a suspect, leads me to think there has been something pretty solid found already.
I think the seizing of devices is important and significant. I don't necessarily think all devices will be relevant to the investigation but it would be remiss of LE if they were to decide there and then to, for example, leave behind the iPad. They may find a load of information on devices. Or nothing. It may be unexpected. For example, if there are children's apps loaded it might indicate when they were last accessed which helps build the timeline. I think taking them all is standard procedure.
I do wonder what's taking the time with the analysis of these and the vehicles. Surely tests would be prioritised?
Also, I'm wondering about the declaration of a person of interest. I didn't follow the William Tyrrell case but I believe a person of interest was declared in relation to that (apologies to all concerned if I'm wrong here)? I don't think anyone was charged. So how does this work? In such situations, does the person of interest just remain so, with this hanging over them indefinitely? Is there a time period within which the person of interest needs to be charged or cleared?
JMO.
 
  • #4,843
I swear I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I know this comment may go for being OT. I just can't help strongly questioning the assumption here a child would certainly be a goner given the remoteness.


"The important thing to know is how to manage the bite — a common trend I've noticed about snakebite deaths in Australia is failure to manage the bite correctly.".

It seems to me, that managing a highly venomous bite correctly is the start of immediate attention.

According to the very qualified professional cited, if the correct first aid is applied immediately and then consistently, an average adult has up to 10 hours to get to hospital for anti venom. Much more detail at link.

Idk, maybe halve that for an average child. With Royal Flying Doctor, an envenomated child could make it, if first aid is applied appropriately. Jmo
Fantastic article with very practical advice.
 
  • #4,844
This is probably a how long is a piece of string question, but does anyone have thoughts around how long it may be until another update is made, will it be weeks of investigating these items? I wonder what SAPOL next step will be, if nothing of interest is returned on the seized items? The fact they have said they have a suspect, leads me to think there has been something pretty solid found already.

IMO, there might not be another one until they either proceed with charges or decide it isn't a major crime, clear their suspect, something like that. Because right now they're handling all of this with an eye to what will happen in court, not keeping the public apprised of the case of a lost child.

Off on a tangent, but was thinking of another way this timeline could have gone in a way that would keep two of the three adults on the property in the dark as to what happened. MOO the lack of footprints and lack of trail found by the dogs to follow still stink for this theory just as much as they do for the pure 'Gus just wandered off' theory, but...3 hours is a long time and a lot could happen in that time, particularly almost 2 1/2 of those spent searching in the dusk, then dark. Say for the sake of argument that the timeline we've been told is mostly correct and moreover everyone gets back to the homestead close to the time Gus is discovered missing. Probably while worried, at first feeling sort of like, well, we'll find him soon. But they don't, and as it gets darker and time passes without finding him they get more fearful, emotions get more heightened. After he wasn't found close to the homestead, they'd likely be spreading out more to search the land further out, using torches or headlights to try to spot him, particularly looking for eyeshine as it got properly dark. If using headlights, one of them, searching off on their own while the other two were far off in different directions, could have accidentally struck him with the vehicle or motorbike in the dark, killing him, then hid him from the others. Or, alternatively, one of them could have found him and been so furious that he'd wandered off and scared everyone like this that they lost it on him and hurt him, killed him, then hid him from the others. Even the pro-corporal punishment camp say you should 'never strike children in anger,' that if spanking you need to be calm, because it's just too easy for an adult to use too much force if you're angry and can badly hurt or kill them without meaning to, children are fragile. One way or the other, hides Gus, tells the others just didn't find him, and then eventually calls the police. Again, my own speculation only.
 
  • #4,845
BBM : Correct. I've known someone to walk into Emergency & say that they had been bitten by a brown snake ( to the foot ) over 24hrs earlier. No first aid at all. No symptoms. Just that "my missus said I should get it checked out" :rolleyes:

Most important thing is applying a pressure immobilisation bandage, start at bite site & for an arm bangdage from fingers to shoulder & leg from toes to hip ( not tight enough to cut of circulation - same as for a sprained ankle ) & minimise movement, call 000.

A good tip also is to but a mark on the bandage where the bite is - or cut a small window / hole.

NEVER take the bandage off once applied - should only be removed by a medical professional - usually after d/w a toxicologist.

All IMO

This is fascinating. We don't have any poisonous snakes, so this is all new to me. What is "d/w a toxicologist"?

If little Gus was bit by a snake it would serve no purpose whatsoever to hide his body. I highly doubt that is what happened.
 
  • #4,846
Moo.. at age 10- 13 I lived in Australia in Tasmania and from Melbourne to Perth, we were transient. Not once did I see a snake cruising around. But I did used to hunt snakes during the cool season. Put them in a jar then go to library to see what I caught. I did catch a brown snake and proudly showed my catch at a friend's place. The horror on the adults faces...they told me to get rid of it...so I let go of it in their garden...that is not what they meant apparently..I was never invited back..oops . Now the ants out there..are to be feared.
I can still accept that Gus wandered and has not been found....moo
 
  • #4,847
This is fascinating. We don't have any poisonous snakes, so this is all new to me. What is "d/w a toxicologist"?

If little Gus was bit by a snake it would serve no purpose whatsoever to hide his body. I highly doubt that is what happened.
Sorry, discuss with.
 
  • #4,848
A few things I've been mulling over the last few days whilst reading through the forum and gathering new thoughts. The below comments are of course, my thoughts only, and speculation based on information I have previously read with my own personal thoughts adding further on these topics.

Could it be possible the police have seized items which may have search history of things such as locations, how to conceal, questions around accidental death, how to remove evidence etc. maybe this also ties into the seizure of the car/motorbike; perhaps they believe this was the method of transportation, perhaps there are GPS searches which can be combined with web searches of locations? (Maybe there has been search history and maps for the Nat Park area)

Do we think it's at all possible police may have installed listening devices at the homestead? Could they have been watching any internet browsing (I'm not sure if police intelligence is able to do this remotely - someone maybe able to answer this). I can't help but feel, maybe SAPOL were deliberately giving the family the feeling that they were also treating this as a case of misadventure only to create some feeling of ease for someone to be more relaxed and not looking to immediately wipe/ conceal anything of possible interest. I feel it seems suddenly the case at one point went firmly from there is 'no foul play' to, 'there is no indication of foul play but we are open to investigating all avenues'. That is when my senses really told me something was off, even though I felt it to be true not long after this case broke. I have been out in that country and also around many kids of Gus age, even adventurous kids, and something just didnt sit right. The lack of any dropped clothing or items, the time of day being near dusk, the landscape just didn't seem right. I do wonder, where police genuinely thinking in the early stages that abduction was a genuine consideration? Mostly due to the fact of the photo release, given they have said themselves Oak Park is not somewhere you would be unless very lost or meaning to be there, I would assume they had reasoned that releasing a photo would surely only be of benefit if he truely had been abducted.

Not to sound ageist, and truthfully I mean this without offence, but some older folk aren't always aware of retained internet browsing history/ multiple tabs open and how to close them off when finished. Could they have come across something on a phone or tablet of interest? I'm pondering, is the mention of the Nat Park purely speculative, a thought only because Oak Park has been search thoroughly so looking elsewhere, or has something specifically drawn them to this location?

I know snake bites have been previously mentioned here, but truthfully I don't think this is a consideration. I don't believe if Gus were to have passed to a snake bite that it would lead to concealment of this occurrence. This would surely be treated as purely accidental, it can happen to anyone regardless of whether they are accompanied or alone, so I don't believe that it would be motive to conceal for any concerns of negligence by SM etc. it doesn't really seem to have any weight. I would more so understand falling off a roof or structure, or accident through machinery, etc. to be somewhat more believable in case of concealment for the nature of negligence.

This is probably a how long is a piece of string question, but does anyone have thoughts around how long it may be until another update is made, will it be weeks of investigating these items? I wonder what SAPOL next step will be, if nothing of interest is returned on the seized items? The fact they have said they have a suspect, leads me to think there has been something pretty solid found already.
I totally believe the police will have been running a parallel investigation since the very early days, and no doubt have been using wiretaps.
If most of us thought things were “ off” from the beginning, you can guarantee the police did too, they just played along with them, as they appear to have friends in high places, so took the softly softly approach, and let them think they had fooled everyone.
 

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