• #4,881
So....

It's reported the current operation is focused on gathering evidence.

Hmmm....
After so much time I'm afraid the alleged evidence is looooong gone.

No body.
No evidence.

Another child vanished into thin air.

And those whose duty was to care for a kid said
Oh well, the boy wandered off into the night.

JMO

I expect the investigators have been gathering evidence from day 1. They were always clear in communicating that nothing was off the table.

Personally, I think the latest presser from SAPOL only divulged a very very small percentage of details that they've uncovered.

So going back to "gather evidence" could be things that investigators dont believe to be important. For example, if a 'suspect' has said something something something, then the investigators may gather evidence on that something...even though they don't believe it to be anything to do with what happened to Gus.
 
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  • #4,882
So....

It's reported the current operation is focused on gathering evidence.

Hmmm....
After so much time I'm afraid the alleged evidence is looooong gone.

No body.
No evidence.

Another child vanished into thin air.

And those whose duty was to care for a kid said
Oh well, the boy wandered off into the night.

JMO
IMO, not necessarily. It's difficult to fully get rid of all trace forensic evidence of crimes, but it's easy to miss if the police don't know exactly what they're searching for or where to look for it. They may well be finding other evidence that's allowed them to narrow their focus considerably, and the vehicles particularly stand a good chance of holding some evidence, since if Gus isn't there and didn't wander off on his own, someone would have needed to transport him a significant distance (if he vanished from the homestead in the first place). Also remember, other adults live there, not just the suspect, and right now the suggestion is neither were involved. If true and the other two were both kept completely in the dark, depending on what happened it could be hard to do the kind of evidence-destroying deep clean needed to really scrub all traces away without them noticing, say, a strong odor of bleach. And if not completely true and someone acted as an accomplice in a cover-up, that's someone who might be more likely to have a change of heart and tell LE what they know (say, divided loyalties between your partner and your grieving daughter; additional evidence, increasing pressure from LE, or even just time can shift the balance from one to the other).

If this is in fact a major crime and he didn't wander off, that means at least one person knows where he is, and people can be persuaded to give up secrets like that with the right leverage, particularly when LE are able to collect enough evidence for prosecutors to make a solid case even without a body (often a reduced sentence in exchange for revealing the location). Once again, MOO, but it sounds like they have lines they're actively pursuing and not stymied at a dead end right now. That means there's still a real chance to find him, find out what happened, and pursue justice as warranted. Here's hoping they do.

often the not calling for help with the death of a child or young person can be to hide the evidence of past or present ca
Absolutely. The same for not taking them to a hospital when they're badly hurt or sick but still could be saved if they got medical attention in time.
 
  • #4,883
Many years ago there was a case I read
about a mother who suffered from post natal depression who medicated her older toddler child to keep him quiet and not wake up the newborn baby.

I suddenly remembered this case.

So...
I have another theory.

ALLEGEDLY

- A grandmother was to take care of 2 kids (Gus, Baby R)
- Being on a farm I bet she had lots of household chores.
Plus she had to prepare dinner for 2 adults who probably were ravenous after hard work at the paddock.

Is it possible that she ALLEGEDLY medicated Gus to nap and not wake up Baby R.
while she had to engage in her tasks??
(2 kids sleeping, peace&quiet, time to do chores)

But, unfortunately the boy ALLEGEDLY didn't wake up.
Could even be allergic to the meds, sleeping pills.

It is as good theory as any other I guess.

(And it happened in real life but with another child in the case I read about)

All this could have happened MUCH earlier than timeline provided.

And the other grandmother might have been summoned to decide what to do.

SPECULATION!!!
My imagination.
 
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I expect the investigators have been gathering evidence from day 1. They were always clear in communicating that nothing was off the table.

Personally, I think the latest presser from SAPOL only divulged a very very small percentage of details that they've uncovered.

So going back to "gather evidence" could be things that investigators dont believe to be important. For example, if a 'suspect' has said something something something, then the investigators may gather evidence on that something...even though they don't believe it to be anything to do with what happened to Gus.

I expect that, as well as searching for Gus, they will be guided by the ODPP with what they need for any prosecution.

imo
 
  • #4,885
I expect the investigators have been gathering evidence from day 1. They were always clear in communicating that nothing was off the table.

Personally, I think the latest presser from SAPOL only divulged a very very small percentage of details that they've uncovered.

So going back to "gather evidence" could be things that investigators dont believe to be important. For example, if a 'suspect' has said something something something, then the investigators may gather evidence on that something...even though they don't believe it to be anything to do with what happened to Gus.
Moo. I think this search is simply part of their current investigation. SAPOL has identified a suspect. That suspect is not charged.

They're continuing their investigation, I would say/guess, with the goal of having sufficient grounds to charge. We have no idea really how long the current investigation might go on for, assuming the intent is to charge someone with an indictable offence (major crime). Jmo
 
  • #4,886
IMO, not necessarily. It's difficult to fully get rid of all trace forensic evidence of crimes, but it's easy to miss if the police don't know exactly what they're searching for or where to look for it. They may well be finding other evidence that's allowed them to narrow their focus considerably, and the vehicles particularly stand a good chance of holding some evidence, since if Gus isn't there and didn't wander off on his own, someone would have needed to transport him a significant distance (if he vanished from the homestead in the first place). Also remember, other adults live there, not just the suspect, and right now the suggestion is neither were involved. If true and the other two were both kept completely in the dark, depending on what happened it could be hard to do the kind of evidence-destroying deep clean needed to really scrub all traces away without them noticing, say, a strong odor of bleach. And if not completely true and someone acted as an accomplice in a cover-up, that's someone who might be more likely to have a change of heart and tell LE what they know (say, divided loyalties between your partner and your grieving daughter; additional evidence, increasing pressure from LE, or even just time can shift the balance from one to the other).

If this is in fact a major crime and he didn't wander off, that means at least one person knows where he is, and people can be persuaded to give up secrets like that with the right leverage, particularly when LE are able to collect enough evidence for prosecutors to make a solid case even without a body (often a reduced sentence in exchange for revealing the location). Once again, MOO, but it sounds like they have lines they're actively pursuing and not stymied at a dead end right now. That means there's still a real chance to find him, find out what happened, and pursue justice as warranted. Here's hoping they do.


Absolutely. The same for not taking them to a hospital when they're badly hurt or sick but still could be saved if they got medical attention in time.
Jess is not living there she’s long gone it’s only the grandparents at the homestead.

A suspect was declared on February 5th. The innocent grandparent must know who killed Gus so why haven’t they come forward? It’s starting to look like they both know what happened and one is covering up for the other IMO
 
  • #4,887
Many years ago there was a case I read
about a mother who suffered from post natal depression who medicated her older toddler child to keep him quiet and not wake up the newborn baby.

I suddenly remembered this case.

So...
I have another theory.

ALLEGEDLY

- A grandmother was to take care of 2 kids (Gus, Baby R)
- Being on a farm I bet she had lots of household chores.
Plus she had to prepare dinner for 2 adults who probably were ravenous after hard work at the paddock.

Is it possible that she ALLEGEDLY medicated Gus to nap and not wake up Baby R.
while she had to engage in her tasks??
(2 kids sleeping, peace&quiet, time to do chores)

But, unfortunately the boy ALLEGEDLY didn't wake up.
Could even be allergic to the meds, sleeping pills.

It is as good theory as any other I guess.

(And it happened in real life but with another child in the case I read about)

All this could have happened MUCH earlier than timeline provided.

And the other grandmother might have been summoned to decide what to do.

SPECULATION!!!
My imagination.
It’s got to be far worse for them to decide that wasting all the resources and costing the country a fortune and lying to their daughter is the better option. IMO
If it was Shannon I’d say it’s more along the lines of her losing her temper for a moment and in anger hitting him with something and his head caving in, something so bad you have to cover up for self-preservation.
 
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It’s got to be far worse for them to decide that wasting all the resources and costing the country a fortune and lying to their daughter is the better option. IMO
If it was Shannon I’d say it’s more along the lines of her losing her temper for a moment and in anger hitting him with something and his head caving in, something so bad you have to cover up for self-preservation.
Just I'm remembered of little Emile in France ...... grandpa ...... temper ...... missing ...... dead ...... unsolved ...... 😔
 
  • #4,889
So, just to be clear the article says, or hints at the possibility that Gus may never be found?
Moo, guessing that could well be either the opinion of the reporter (comparing this current case with other cases in past) and/or the editing style of the article, including headline?

I don't think this is something that investigators have said. At least no msm I've read are making a point of that possibility or reporting that SAPOL feel that way at this time. Jmo
ETA "...at this time"
 
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Moo, guessing that could well be either the opinion of the reporter (comparing this current case with other cases in past) and/or the editing style of the article, including headline?

I don't think this is something that investigators have said. At least no msm I've read are making a point of that possibility or reporting that SAPOL feel that way. Jmo

Considering the boy has STILL not been found,
even after engaging super drones and extensive searches,
I'm afraid the possibility of never finding him might prove true.

And the same can be said about Samantha M.

Forever lost.
Deprived of civilized burial.

JMO
 
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  • #4,892
The pressure will be on now, hope someone confesses or stuffs up and they are brought before the court.
 
  • #4,893
The pressure will be on now, hope someone confesses or stuffs up and they are brought before the court.

Hmmm...
Judging by the latest statement via lawyers
with being "absolutely devastated" by Police declaration
I wouldn't count on any confessions.

JMO
 
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A 75 yr old has been arrested on firearm related offences. Not related to Gus's disappearance or the infamous DM incident.


For anyone who wants to speculate re what the firearm related offences could be.

At this point, have to assume it is one of the grandparents, unless another person of similar age was at Oak Park at the time of today's police activity. Jmo

ETA Summary article of various offences and subsequent proceedings through legal system.

 
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For anyone who wants to speculate re what the firearm related offences could be.

At this point, have to assume it is one of the grandparents, unless another person of similar age was at Oak Park at the time of today's police activity. Jmo
DBM
 
  • #4,898
It’s got to be far worse for them to decide that wasting all the resources and costing the country a fortune and lying to their daughter is the better option. IMO
If it was Shannon I’d say it’s more along the lines of her losing her temper for a moment and in anger hitting him with something and his head caving in, something so bad you have to cover up for self-preservation.

Considering the boy has STILL not been found,
even after engaging super drones and extensive searches,
I'm afraid the possibility of never finding him might prove true.

And the same can be said about Samantha M.

Forever lost.
Deprived of civilized burial.

JMO
Often, when someone lies about an “accident,” it raises the question of whether they are concealing something far more serious — such as ongoing abuse, criminal behaviour, or neglect — rather than a genuine mishap. In many tragic cases involving children, the person responsible is someone known to them, and the circumstances may involve patterns of abuse, mental health struggles, or conflict within family or custody situations.
Hence why bodies are hidden - & often never recovered.

Obviously LE are putting on the pressure , I just hope there are some results. I do note that only the grandparents have sought legal advice , not the parents , they could mean something or not .
 
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Do you think the police might have been ordered off the property by someone waving a gun.?
 
  • #4,900

For anyone who wants to speculate re what the firearm related offences could be.

At this point, have to assume it is one of the grandparents, unless another person of similar age was at Oak Park at the time of today's police activity. Jmo

ETA Summary article of various offences and subsequent proceedings through legal system.

More pressure being asserted ..
 

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