Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[PolyDot]

So again, a ton of convoluted speculation following, but if SAPOL told the truth, if one and only one of the Oak Park Station grandparents is "the suspect," and if JM and SM know which one of them it is, while their lawyering up at the same time looks pretty similar from the outside, their lawyers have significantly different jobs to do to try to serve their respective clients' best interests. Particularly IF this actually IS a major crime and IF 'the suspect' is guilty of it, meanwhile the other may or may not have acted as an accessory after the fact, however willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly. If both JM and SM are smart, they've each told their respective lawyers what they know, what they've told police, what they haven't told police, and any relevant details (including family dynamics that could be influencing the situation), everything (seriously, do not keep secrets from your lawyer).

It's likely in the best interest of 'the suspect,' particularly if guilty, to not say anything. It would also likely be in the best interest of 'the suspect' for the other grandparent, not the suspect, to also not say anything, also not cooperate, help present a unified front of stonewalling and to make it harder (or impossible), for SAPOL to differentiate between which parts each may have played in this, cast doubt, give them nothing to look into or work with so they can't gather enough to press charges, and create plausible deniability if charges are brought against 'the suspect' for the death of Gus Lamont and this gets taken to court.

Meanwhile it would likely be in the best interest of the grandparent who isn't the suspect, if not guilty, to draw a clear distinction, to create distance/differentiation and not get turned into a human shield/smokescreen for the suspect, and make it clear to SAPOL that they weren't responsible for this and are on the side of wanting justice for Gus. Including maybe to proactively demonstrate their innocence, be cooperative, and hopefully not get pulled any further into it. While personal loyalties to each other and other emotional considerations could muddy this for the Murrays, this would probably be the aim for their respective lawyers and so would shape the advice they'd give their clients to follow, even though, again, on the surface, almost certainly share a very similar 'don't speak to LE without me present.'

In this light, and IF JM is the suspect and IF SM is not, and IF SAPOL is on the right track with both this designation of major crime and who they believe committed it, and IF the dynamics in the home have been preventing SM from being able to safely cooperate fully with SAPOL...IMO, it would completely make sense for SM's lawyer to coordinate a time with SAPOL, likely when he could be present, when Shannon could walk them through what she knows while JM is conveniently out of the way for the time they need at Oak Park Station. IMO, that could be the actions of a competent defense lawyer representing the best interests of an innocent client who lives with the suspect for (and potentially perpetrator of) a violent crime, one whose own best interests are that she keep her mouth shut.

That's a lot of 'ifs' that would need to line up a certain way, but IMO it would fit cleanly within what just happened and also within the broader context of this case. MOO.

TLDR: It might not have been without a lawyer present. It could have even been partly organized with the lawyer, for above reasons.

Some good thoughtful points . I wonder why mum hasn’t engaged a lawyer ?

 

[PolyDot]

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Police scour outhouse, water tank in Gus search

SA police have inspected an outhouse where fresh cement has recently been laid and a water tank as part of the latest search for Gus Lamont in South Australia's Mid North, with no evidence so far.

www.abc.net.au

Who lived on this property ? , do grandparents have other children beside Gus mum ? . Was this property searched previously ?

 

[Old Soul]

That is very interesting ? , were they searching or the neighbours have further information ? Mmm hope LE have some leads

According to the ABC news article posted above, at least one of the properties, if not both, are owned by the Murray’s.

 

[essareem]

News reporter states that Police are searching a nearby property today.

Looks like it is Bullaninnie station. IMO



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Nice spotting Marg!

There was an incident at Bullyaninnie homestead years ago, if I remember correctly.

 

[_sleuthdog_]

Nice spotting Marg!

There was an incident at Bullyaninnie homestead years ago, if I remember correctly.

What’s the incident from years ago which you refer to?

The only thing I came across was an accidental shooting in 1954 with unrelated parties involved (not Murray’s or Pfiffers etc)

Edit: Ah, I think you refer to an incident reported by DM (?) which I refuse to give clicks to

 

[Marg944]

Nice spotting Marg!

There was an incident at Bullyaninnie homestead years ago, if I remember correctly.

Yes, there was an incident there, some years ago….

Outback siege man 'sexually assaulted' hostage

South Australian police say an elderly woman was taken hostage and sexually assaulted by a man who stabbed a police officer and stole his car this morning.

www.abc.net.au

 

[_sleuthdog_]

Yes, there was an incident there, some years ago….

Outback siege man 'sexually assaulted' hostage

South Australian police say an elderly woman was taken hostage and sexually assaulted by a man who stabbed a police officer and stole his car this morning.

www.abc.net.au

Thanks for the link.

I suspect it didn’t come up in my search due to the different spelling used in the news article - “Bulyninnie Station”

 

[Marg944]

Thanks for the link.

I suspect it didn’t come up in my search due to the different spelling used in the news article - “Bulyninnie Station”

Hehe….

 

[essareem]

I wonder if the police are suspecting child concealment. I guess there's always a chance, and that would explain searching neighbouring properties, as well as the family's decision to not release a photo at the initial stage.

Edit: That would also explain Josie's behaviour with the gun incident... If perhaps Gus was in the house at that time.

 

[Morequestionsthananswers]

Yes, there was an incident there, some years ago….

Outback siege man 'sexually assaulted' hostage

South Australian police say an elderly woman was taken hostage and sexually assaulted by a man who stabbed a police officer and stole his car this morning.

www.abc.net.au

Was the woman who was sexually assaulted related to Shannon?

 

[drsleuth]

For anyone interested in hearing some evidence from a dog handler about his cadaver dog ( Creed ) in a recent USA court case I watched , here is a link , interesting part starts at about 6hrs 50 mins in where the handler gives a run down of what cadaver dogs can do & how they work & how they react etc

I imagine that while they had access to the cadaver dog/s they were used with the vehicles they have collected under the warrant ??

 

[Ellery84]

How many properties does this family have? Are they very wealthy? Is there a possibility that they have the means to secretly send Gus off somewhere like a boarding school or to another family member or family friend who homeschools instead of having him move to Dad's property for schooling?

Do you think Gus is still alive?

 

[Ellery84]

Was the woman who was sexually assaulted related to Shannon?

No one is allowed to say because there is a law protecting the identity of sexual assault victims in South Australia, whilst that victim is still alive.

But when the victim passes away, it may be able to be reported on.

On another topic; Shannon does have an Aunty and she is very old. She is in nursing home.

The aunty’s property was called Bullyaninnie. I think that’s where police were searching today.

IMO

If you see the map I have attached of the distance between Bullyaninnie and Oak Park, where I have drawn the dark pink line is where there is a road between the two properties.

For the general public, the roads (in blue) represent a very long journey from one property to the other, but the Murray and Betty families could use their own private road, which is more direct, to travel from Oak Park homestead to Bullyaninnie homestead.

Edit: Joy Betty and Clair Pfeiffer are sisters, or were, and Clair died in 1988. Clair was Shannon’s mother, so Clair would have been Gus’ great grandmother, and Joy Betty is Gus’ great aunt.

 

[Ellery84]

Who lived on this property ? , do grandparents have other children beside Gus mum ? . Was this property searched previously ?

Gus’ great aunt Joy Betty but she is now in a nursing home.

 

[Ellery84]

What’s the incident from years ago which you refer to?

The only thing I came across was an accidental shooting in 1954 with unrelated parties involved (not Murray’s or Pfiffers etc)

Edit: Ah, I think you refer to an incident reported by DM (?) which I refuse to give clicks to

There was a siege at Bullyaninnie.

 

[BreakingNews]

Police scour outhouse, water tank in Gus search

SA police have inspected an outhouse where fresh cement has recently been laid and a water tank as part of the latest search for Gus Lamont in South Australia's Mid North, with no evidence so far.

www.abc.net.au

Police have used a cadaver dog from NSW in today’s search at a Grampus property 24km from Oak Park station and another property 30km from Oak Park station.

“SA police have inspected an outhouse where fresh cement has recently been laid and a water tank as part of the latest search for Gus Lamont in South Australia's Mid North.”

Does anyone know if a dog could sniff through concrete

 

[drsleuth]

Does anyone know if a dog could sniff through concrete

I believe they can.

 

[JLZ]

Does anyone know if a dog could sniff through concrete

Here's one that did. BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | How can a dog sniff through concrete?

 

[drsleuth]

Wow they used 4 cadaver dogs, video in link

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023649296340644048

 

[_sleuthdog_]

No one is allowed to say because there is a law protecting the identity of sexual assault victims in South Australia, whilst that victim is still alive.

But when the victim passes away, it may be able to be reported on.

On another topic; Shannon does have an Aunty and she is very old. She is in nursing home.

The aunty’s property was called Bullyaninnie. I think that’s where police were searching today.

IMO

If you see the map I have attached of the distance between Bullyaninnie and Oak Park, where I have drawn the dark pink line is where there is a road between the two properties.

For the general public, the roads (in blue) represent a very long journey from one property to the other, but the Murray and Betty families could use their own private road, which is more direct, to travel from Oak Park homestead to Bullyaninnie homestead.

Edit: Joy Betty and Clair Pfeiffer are sisters, or were, and Clair died in 1988. Clair was Shannon’s mother, so Clair would have been Gus’ great grandmother, and Joy Betty is Gus’ great aunt.

Interesting info.

Nb, I believe Gus’ first name is August, not Augustus.