Australia AUSTRALIA - 4YO AUGUST (GUS) Missing from rural family home in Outback, Yunta, South Australia, 27th Sept 2025

[Dotta]

Newbie here so apologies in advance for any mistake. I joined because of this case. I’ve been reading this thread for months but I might have missed pages, so sorry if I’m covering something already said.

My speculation only:

My mind keeps coming back to the motorbike. I know SAPOL took a few vehicles to test, but the motorbike stands out to me. In general, nobody would use a motorbike to move an alleged body, would they? It would be hard, slower, and far more visible than having someone stowed away in a car or truck. So…..maybe a motorbike was used because there was no other option: ie the ute was elsewhere.

Theory: (speculation, MOO) - If Jess had gone out that morning with Josie, them both taking the motorbike along in the ute (or maybe one of them riding it) so they’d have more flexibility, using the ute as a base while each doing a different task, but then something happens late afternoon, Shannon contacts them by walkie talkie, and Josie races back to the homestead on the motorbike. Josie discovers a dreadful scene and needs to think fast. Evidence must be removed - for concealment reasons, for their own sanity, and because Jess will be back in the ute soon. There’s limited time so Josie takes the ‘evidence’ a few miles away by motorbike, planning to go back to hide it more carefully later. Jess returns to be told that Gus has wandered off. Josie goes out to search on the motorbike, and while out hides the ‘evidence’ more thoroughly, maybe even on a nearby homestead. This would explain the delay in calling the police (to allow time to conceal the ‘evidence’, while reassuring Jess that Josie was busy driving around looking for Gus and would surely be back soon with him.)

The time discrepancies could be related to that alleged latter period when Josie allegedly goes out again to properly conceal the ‘evidence’. She might have said she was gone 20 minutes, driving a rough circle a mile or two out from the homestead but Jess said Josie was gone an hour.

And perhaps while two people might know of the ‘incident’, only one knows where the ‘evidence’ has been hidden, making it harder for the police to know where it might be if that person isn’t going to crack and tell them.

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[Dotta]

Who resides on the property B.
(Sorry the name is too difficult for me to spell hehe)
searched today?

Were the residents interviewed/interrogated by Police?

How could it be possible for a perp to enter a nearby farm to conceal a body???

How strange!

Honestly folks,
I'm not sure poor Gus will ever be found

Terrible, terrible case.

JMO

 

[AmoryK]

Who resides on the property B.
(Sorry the name is too difficult for me to spell hehe)
searched today?

Were the residents interview/interrogated by Police?

How would it be possible for a perp to enter a nearby farm to conceal a body?

How strange!

Is it possible the suspect might have had a helper? Someone who was told of an accident and offered to help, not to deceive but because they thought it would be the kindest thing to do in the circumstances?

While one suspect has been named, that doesn’t mean others (family or friends) didn’t help.

 

[Dotta]

DBM

 

[Warshawski]

The Oct incident has it's own set of circumstances and jmo isn't relevant here.

According to source below, bail isn't the norm for serious firearms offences. Imo if police had been unambigously "ordered off the property" via use of a weopen that would be a serious firearm offence and no bail would have been granted.

Bail was granted in the Magistrates Court per ABC report. Imo serious firearms offences would be escalated to a higher court. Jmo

See previous links and below.

Firearms Offences | South Australia | Criminal Lawyers Adelaide

This article by Williams Family Lawyers looks at the definition of family violence, resolution, intervention orders, and safety with attenting family law court.

www.williamslegal.com.au

I think it possibly was due to having firearms that were not properly stored.

Put simply, firearms must be stored ( unloaded ) in a locked steel cabinet that is bolted to the floor & wall. Ammunition must be in a seperate locked container.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/services-and-events/firearms-and-weapons/firearms-storage-and-security

 

[Warshawski]

Quoting from my above DM link:

" 'As a result of a previous search at Oak Park Station,
Task Force Horizon detectives
have today arrested a 75-year-old from Grampus and charged them with firearm offences',
a spokesperson said on Monday."

What does it exactly mean?
As a result of a previous search...

I think they discovered unsecured firearms previously, but held off on charges as the6 were at that time still trying to keep Josie & Co cooperative.
But since it’s all come to ahead, they’ve laid the charges, which probably gave them the opportunity to fingerprint .

Jmo.

 

[Dotta]

I think it possibly was due to having firearms that were not properly stored.

Put simply, firearms must be stored ( unloaded ) in a locked steel cabinet that is bolted to the floor & wall. Ammunition must be in a seperate locked container.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/services-and-events/firearms-and-weapons/firearms-storage-and-security

Or....
The weapons were illegal.
Or maybe one wasn't registered.

Who knows how many weapons were there?
How many were legal and how many were not?

JMO

https://twitter.com/x/status/2023667752301719888

 

[Dotta]

"Fresh search for Gus Lamont ​

scours mineshafts and freshly-cemented outhouse ​

- as mystery over boy's disappearance deepens further.​

Two nearby properties were searched on Tuesday.

Search for Gus Lamont
will soon enter its sixth month.

A number of disused mine shafts were searched on the property.

Air units also scoured the property
but the search was called off on Tuesday evening with no trace of Gus."

Gus Lamont search ramps up as cops search outhouse and a water tank

Cadaver dogs have inspected a water tank and a recently cemented outhouse as the search for missing four-year-old Gus Lamont continues.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[linge]

How many properties does this family have? Are they very wealthy? Is there a possibility that they have the means to secretly send Gus off somewhere like a boarding school or to another family member or family friend who homeschools instead of having him move to Dad's property for schooling?

I have no idea about their wealth, they probably have had some boom times but also some really tough years because of drought and low wool prices.

The Murray’s don’t seem short of money, pretty sure they could afford to pay a farmhand or two.

Assuming a close-fisted attitude to begin with, I don't know that actual wealth makes a difference to willingness to pay.

IMO, they could be land-poor, especially if the business is less profitable than it used to be. Meaning huge amounts of land that are technically worth a lot of money (if you have a buyer), but it's all a money-sink and they're struggling to keep up with the taxes, fees, maintenance, etc., they need, so very little to no liquidity and having to stretch to make day-to-day ends meet. Like the country manors in England still owned by titled old bloodline families that have been perpetually strapped for cash since the industrial revolution. You're only able to keep it in the family to pass it to the next generation if you live frugally, don't part with money you don't have to, economize. And that includes not hiring anyone on to do things you can reasonably do yourself, or have family do.

I wouldn't doubt they'd want J living there, helping, especially as they age and hard physical labor just keeps getting harder. I suspect it speaks to how deep the rift with JL is that they weren't willing to put aside their differences and keep the peace enough to have an extra pair of hands there to just being able to keep up with everything without having to hire in someone. MOO.