• #5,981
And then mention was made of a second person not co-operating, which was assumed to be the other grandparent.

I wish they could bring them in and question them under caution. How could someone ‘not cooperate’ in the search for their grandchild?
All the evidence suggests that one or more of the adults Gus trusted did something very bad to him. I can't fathom an accident with the body so well hidden and the scene so well cleaned.

But I don't think there is much to infer from LE calling whatever the grandparents are doing or not doing "not cooperating." It appears it just means they are directing all questions to attorneys. This is not suspicious.

We know very little of the timeline of Gus' day, or what a typical day would be like. We know very little about the three adults who likely saw Gus more shortly before he disappeared. Gus' father has been more public in his adulthood, being a performer, but we frankly know very little about him, either, except that LE has clearly stated he and Gus' mom are is not suspects.

I can hardly imagine the pain of losing a little child or grandchild fully knowing what happened. This pain, not knowing what happened....wow.

MOO
 
  • #5,982
But I don't think there is much to infer from LE calling whatever the grandparents are doing or not doing "not cooperating." It appears it just means they are directing all questions to attorneys. This is not suspicious.

Maybe not, but I’d be falling over myself to answer and give every minuscule detail of that day in the hope that it would help. I wouldn’t need to direct any questions to a lawyer.

More than that, what is suspicious is that the police have said they have a suspect and strongly implied that suspect is one of the grandparents. That and the not cooperating are connected IMO.

All the evidence suggests that one or more of the adults Gus trusted did something very bad to him. I can't fathom an accident with the body so well hidden and the scene so well cleaned.

Some accidents don’t need cleaning, eg drowning, a blow to the head with a blunt object, suffocation, etc. With regard to the body being well-hidden, as both grandparents are intimately familiar with the land around them, it’s possible they used a hiding place they already knew. I think they put the body somewhere temporarily, then chose a final hiding place. So, it’s not like they had to think of somewhere in 20 minutes. Saying Gus had wandered off and got lost is an obvious excuse not one they’d have had to have laboured over to think up.

An accident, a panicked removal of the body, and a final resting place could all be done - especially if one person is slightly removed from the accident and less emotionally affected. It could fall to them to do the thinking and be the practical one whilst the other mentally and emotionally gathered themselves together. Any hysteria and signs of extreme stress and upset could be attributed to the shock of Gus ‘wandering off and getting lost’.
 
  • #5,983
Maybe not, but I’d be falling over myself to answer and give every minuscule detail of that day in the hope that it would help. I wouldn’t need to direct any questions to a lawyer.

There are only so many times that people (like the grandparents) tell the police what they say were the circumstances.
Then they lawyer up and communicate via their lawyers.

I don't think it is unusual for a guilty or innocent person to do that.
Either way, they are trying to protect themselves against accusations - accusations that may or may not be correct.
We won't know until/unless the accusations (meaning designation of 'suspect') bring charges and are proven in a court of law.

imo

ETA: Unless, of course, the police reveal their case to the public - what problem there is with the timelines, and why that makes someone a suspect. Which may never happen until/unless charges are brought and tried.
 
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  • #5,984
But I don't think there is much to infer from LE calling whatever the grandparents are doing or not doing "not cooperating." It appears it just means they are directing all questions to attorneys. This is not suspicious.

Maybe not, but I’d be falling over myself to answer and give every minuscule detail of that day in the hope that it would help. I wouldn’t need to direct any questions to a lawyer.

More than that, what is suspicious is that the police have said they have a suspect and strongly implied that suspect is one of the grandparents. That and the not cooperating are connected IMO.

All the evidence suggests that one or more of the adults Gus trusted did something very bad to him. I can't fathom an accident with the body so well hidden and the scene so well cleaned.

Some accidents don’t need cleaning, eg drowning, a blow to the head with a blunt object, suffocation, etc. With regard to the body being well-hidden, as both grandparents are intimately familiar with the land around them, it’s possible they used a hiding place they already knew. I think they put the body somewhere temporarily, then chose a final hiding place. So, it’s not like they had to think of somewhere in 20 minutes. Saying Gus had wandered off and got lost is an obvious excuse not one they’d have had to have laboured over to think up.

An accident, a panicked removal of the body, and a final resting place could all be done - especially if one person is slightly removed from the accident and less emotionally affected. It could fall to them to do the thinking and be the practical one whilst the other mentally and emotionally gathered themselves together. Any hysteria and signs of extreme stress and upset could be attributed to the shock of Gus ‘wandering off and getting lost’.
True, the above. And clearly I don't know what happened. But I can't imagine moving straight into hide-the-body mode after an accident. Also, why were all outdoor traces of Gus cleaned (it appears)? Like, if he drowned by accident, why were any outdoor toys removed (it seems)?

MOO
 
  • #5,985
Saying Gus had wandered off and got lost is an obvious excuse not one they’d have had to have laboured over to think up.

Just a minor point: my understanding is that Shannon just reported checking that Gus was still at the sandpit but could not see him, he was gone. If so, she would have started searching of course, in case he had just wandered off, before police were contacted later.

I understand it was police who first used the phrase "wandered off" when discussing their large scale search. So Shannon did not use this phrase as an excuse, it came from police, and as far as I understand, she has not expressed an opinion about a theory (lost, accident, abduction, etc), but only the desire that Gus be found.
 
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  • #5,986
Just a minor point: my understanding is that Shannon just reported checking that Gus was still at the sandpit but could not see him, he was gone. If so, she would have started searching of course, in case he had just wandered off, before police were contacted later.

I understand it was police who first used the phrase "wandered off" when discussing their large scale search. So Shannon did not use this phrase as an excuse, it came from police, and as far as I understand, she has not expressed an opinion about a theory (lost, accident, abduction, etc), but only the desire that Gus be found.
Just trivially, as statement analysis . . . I wonder who first called the sand mounds a sand "pit". A mound is the opposite of a pit. Is it a Freudian slip to call the area a pit? Was Gus really last seen in a pit? --On the other hand, I can see why you'd tell a kid that where you want him to play is called his sand pit; like, maybe, children in books or on TV also have. Plus, "Go and play on the dirt hills"--I don't think so; it's hard enough getting little ones to wash without encouraging positive associations with dirt.
 
  • #5,987
I think sandpit is a generic kind of name. My ‘sandpit’ when I was a child was in a kind of raised wooden tray. Even though it wasn’t in anyway a pit, it was still referred to as a “sandpit”.
 
  • #5,988
All the evidence suggests that one or more of the adults Gus trusted did something very bad to him. I can't fathom an accident with the body so well hidden and the scene so well cleaned.

But I don't think there is much to infer from LE calling whatever the grandparents are doing or not doing "not cooperating." It appears it just means they are directing all questions to attorneys. This is not suspicious.

We know very little of the timeline of Gus' day, or what a typical day would be like. We know very little about the three adults who likely saw Gus more shortly before he disappeared. Gus' father has been more public in his adulthood, being a performer, but we frankly know very little about him, either, except that LE has clearly stated he and Gus' mom are is not suspects.

I can hardly imagine the pain of losing a little child or grandchild fully knowing what happened. This pain, not knowing what happened....wow.

MOO
OT but last week I went to a funeral for a lady who buried 3 of her 4 children. And overnight i stayed with a friend who lost her daughter last year to motaneuron diseases.

Nothing was easy with my friends. But being surrounded and comforted tj good friends
 
  • #5,989
OT but last week I went to a funeral for a lady who buried 3 of her 4 children. And overnight i stayed with a friend who lost her daughter last year to motaneuron diseases.

Nothing was easy with my friends. But being surrounded and comforted tj good friends
However Gus missing is so different from my story. We really dont have a strong timeline of when Gus went missing.
It starting to sound like a cold case to me. Please bring justice for Gus
 
  • #5,990
Beside the grandmothers retaining counsel, is there anything that points toward one or both of them knowing what happened to Gus? I might sound naive but I have a hard time imagining that they deliberately lied to police and set all the searches, investigations, media etc into motion. I think it’s far more likely that this hard working family, whose neighbors describe as lovely people, were minding their business when something happened to little Gus. I don’t interpret any of their interactions with media as being suspect. They cooperated with police who were doing what they could to help them. They owe nothing to the media or public at large. JMO and ramblings…
 
  • #5,991
Beside the grandmothers retaining counsel, is there anything that points toward one or both of them knowing what happened to Gus? I might sound naive but I have a hard time imagining that they deliberately lied to police and set all the searches, investigations, media etc into motion. I think it’s far more likely that this hard working family, whose neighbors describe as lovely people, were minding their business when something happened to little Gus. I don’t interpret any of their interactions with media as being suspect. They cooperated with police who were doing what they could to help them. They owe nothing to the media or public at large. JMO and ramblings…


There really isn't in my mind. I'd even say, speaking 100% through attorneys after the initial 2-3 days of searching doesn't sound suspicious either. A motive doesn't prove anything, but it prompts theories, and I'm at a loss for a motive that makes sense. Some people have spent hours tracing family inheritance, but that is ridiculous in my opinion. The only person in the story with an inheritance motive is a 1 year old.

There are a few suspicious things.

1) Police have said there are inconsistencies in time lines.
2) By all appearances, NO trace of Gus was found, which just doesn't make sense if the day were normal up to a point, then he disappeared. Playing in a dirt pile, he would have removed boots. (Some children have intense sensory preferences, and would keep boots on, but one of the few recent pieces of information we have about him is he was willing to play outdoors barefoot.) If he broke skin in any injury he would have bled. If there was any struggle, he would have lost his hat and some hair.
3) LE and partners did many searches by air, drone, small vehicle and foot. LE said the foot search was in the area defined by a perimeter that a child his age who has gone missing is likely to be found in-95% likely. Searches went well beyond the 95% perimeter foot search in some way. For instance, bodies of water were searched with divers and one huge dam drained. Mines were searched with remote cameras. A tremendous area was photographed and analyzed with AI which mapped live animals by species, dead animals by species and one human. Nothing made public that was suspicious was found, but it remains suspicious that no trace of Gus was found since it is his home.
4) Police said they ruled out Gus wandering away. Police said they ruled out an abduction for reasons such as, no unknown cars reported, all persons working on that and nearby properties eliminated as suspects, and the difficulty in approaching the station undetected as vehicles kick up sand, make noise, and have to go through several gates, some of which are routinely locked, per LE.
5) LE first said that one person is a suspect after withdrawing cooperation. (Which might mean speaking through attorney only). Then said two people are not cooperating. And consistently emphasized that Gus' parents are not suspects in his disappearance. So, that makes a grandparent seem more suspicious. But I agree, that is not because of any behaviors by any grandparent known to the public. We don't know anything suspicious except that LE has said they have a suspect.

I find the time it took for parents to release a photo suspicious. I think, if I searched all over the homestead, and so did LE with infrared and other tools, I would be unable to logic out the gates and the remoteness, and would become convinced he was kidnapped and release the pic...maybe with face blurred, but definitely the pics that were released, and a pic of his distinctive hat. But...that behavior is not universally considered suspicious. If the parents knew LE was right, abduction was impossible, not releasing the photo is not suspicious. And, more importantly, LE keeps emphasizing that the parents, who would have control of publication of Gus' image, are not suspects.

I don't think an accident followed by hiding the body makes sense on the part of either of the grandparents.

MOO
 
  • #5,992
Beside the grandmothers retaining counsel, is there anything that points toward one or both of them knowing what happened to Gus? I might sound naive but I have a hard time imagining that they deliberately lied to police and set all the searches, investigations, media etc into motion. I think it’s far more likely that this hard working family, whose neighbors describe as lovely people, were minding their business when something happened to little Gus. I don’t interpret any of their interactions with media as being suspect. They cooperated with police who were doing what they could to help them. They owe nothing to the media or public at large. JMO and ramblings…

Yes, the inconsistencies in the timeline and the fact that the police have said one of them is a suspect.

IMO, it’s not hard to imagine why they might lie about an accident. They might even have thought it was the kindest thing to do for Jess. Or maybe they were so wracked with guilt, they couldn’t deal with what had happened? Plenty of scenarios. We don’t know what the truth is but we do know the police suspect the grandparents are involved.

The tracker found no sign of Gus either - despite him allegedly playing in the sandpit.

It’s also very possible that the grandparents weren’t anticipating such a massive and prolonged search response. Perhaps they were hoping it would be assumed Gus had perished in a mine shaft or by another method.
 
  • #5,993
Beside the grandmothers retaining counsel, is there anything that points toward one or both of them knowing what happened to Gus? I might sound naive but I have a hard time imagining that they deliberately lied to police and set all the searches, investigations, media etc into motion. I think it’s far more likely that this hard working family, whose neighbors describe as lovely people, were minding their business when something happened to little Gus. I don’t interpret any of their interactions with media as being suspect. They cooperated with police who were doing what they could to help them. They owe nothing to the media or public at large. JMO and ramblings…
Nothing really that's been made public, but the police seem pretty convinced by whatever it is they have. Declaring the case a major crime and publicly announcing that a family member is considered a suspect are both big steps IMO, especially when they were so cautious earlier in the investigation not to publicly rule anything out
 
  • #5,994
Didn’t the trackers notice some suspicious behaviour?
I’d love to know what that was.
 
  • #5,995
Didn’t the trackers notice some suspicious behaviour?
I’d love to know what that was.

That was a later tracker, I think. There was the local tracker (Roland?) and what he said made me think he’d possibly spotted inconsistencies too.
 
  • #5,996
That was a later tracker, I think. There was the local tracker (Roland?) and what he said made me think he’d possibly spotted inconsistencies too.
I thought he had once worked on the property and was referring to that.
 
  • #5,997
I thought he had once worked on the property and was referring to that.

Which tracker? The one who was there soon after the disappearance (Roland??) or the one who said something later on his FB page (Jason??). The first one intimated that the scene he examined might not reflect the story that had been reported (Gus in sandpit, etc), and the later one, who made an allusion to suspicious discussions or movement?
 
  • #5,998
This is the later tracker who is, indeed, called Jason:

“Jason O'Connell, from Mid North Wildlife Rescue South Australia, volunteered his services within hours of Gus vanishing from his family's farm, drawing on decades of his SES training and specialist tracking skills to assist Major Crimes detectives.The veteran searcher said there are 'two locations off property' that had raised concerns with his team based on what they saw, heard or were told by family.”

Link:

 
  • #5,999
I muddled the name of the earlier tracker - apologies. He’s not called Roland, he’s called Ronald Boland.
 
  • #6,000
This is the later tracker who is, indeed, called Jason:

“Jason O'Connell, from Mid North Wildlife Rescue South Australia, volunteered his services within hours of Gus vanishing from his family's farm, drawing on decades of his SES training and specialist tracking skills to assist Major Crimes detectives.The veteran searcher said there are 'two locations off property' that had raised concerns with his team based on what they saw, heard or were told by family.”

Link:

Jason searched alongside Josh Lamont.
Seems they were onto something.
Apparently Josh had words with Josie and left the property. Why did he leave. Was he told to get off the property?
I always thought it was odd that Josh didn’t continue searching for his son.
Jason knew Gus wasn’t on the property. He said so in an interview on A Current Affair.
 

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