Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #14

[marlywings]

Yes I saw the article too. It has crossed my mind that police may have noticed GBC was hung over that next morning, or still reeking of alcohol, or perhaps evidence of drunken behavior as you say. Would be another reason he would need assistance for driving etc that night (would need more than one person to help in this case). All speculation, MOO.

Yes it is all just speculation at this stage & is all we can do until further info is released.

I'd been thinking on the report re the neighbours being interviewed three times by police....if they'd not heard too much I think police would have questioned them about it but I can't see them going back a second & third time for further interviews.

How often is alcohol involved in domestic disputes these days??...it is soo common....alchohol or drug fuelled violence..... I can quite easily see alcohol being involved in this case.

 

[Maxymoo]

Not sure if this has been posted before and I missed it. Delete it if it has.
Transcript of a speech GBC gave to student leaders at Kenmore State High School
http://expertrealestate.blogspot.co.nz/2008/02/making-history.html

Now that just confuses me even more. Where did it all go wrong ///////???????:waitasec::doh:

 

[Fuskier]

... many appear to believe that ABC was suffering emotionally in her marriage - yet no-one apparently recognised that she was in any danger of any kind, or could no longer cope with her own situation, not even her best friend of many years standing.

This may not be so. People generally do not know how to deal with DV unless they have experience with it either personally or working with it. Although others close to Allison may have recognised that she may be in danger, it was Allison's decision to make in view of her children and her situation - often to the anxiety of best friends and family members who very often feel helpless. MOO. However, as a society we are learning, and we are learning how to advise victims of DV before their situation deteriorates fatally.

 

[amandaton1]

Hmmm just saw this blog,

"http://www.crookedincanada.com/2012/05/27/allison-baden-clay-murder-update-husband-gerard-packs-real-estate-business/

not good at posting links sorry :-(

 

[minni]

I couldn't agree more, their public response has been quite shocking to me on multiple fronts, no heart felt pleas for Allison's return (apart from her SIL who doesn't even live in the same city), no presence around 'the troops' who rallied so quickly to do whatever they could (ie ie family, friends and police, fire, SES and rescue), no public thanks expressed to all those who devoted so much time and energy (often unpaid and on their own time) to help find Allison and no expression of sorrow for the tragedy that unfolded in their midst. To me, it shows a decided lack of empathy and also a decided lack of appropriate social responses (ie at least try to show some empathy and concern even if you don't feel it). To me, this isn't just a matter of being private people with a different way of responding to tragedy, it shows a deficiency in character at the best and and indication of concealment and involvement in Allison's murder at worst

ABSOLUTELY..they simply cannot justify this behaviour with the pathetic, piddly, simple, character deficient explanation that this is 'JUST WHO THEY ARE'......It won't hold true for a single person who knows anything about this.

THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN SAY OR DO THAT WILL EVER EVER EVER MAKE THEIR 'NON REACTION' AND 'NON EMOTION' AND 'NON DETERMINATION TO FIX THIS BE OK WITH THE PUBLIC. EVER

and I dont say this to insinuate that they are homicidal, or murderous or guilty of Allison's death, I am saying that, these people IMO, are cut from a different cloth to the people that I know and love. I do not understand them. I think they make GBC's situation nearly unbearable for him, if innocent

 

[Liadan]

Very interesting whats happened this weekend with the police saying there is a delay in toxicology and then the tox place rebuffing saying they will have it out next week.

Anyway - lets hope that all goes to plan for the police!

 

[kiwi50]

Now that just confuses me even more. Where did it all go wrong ///////???????:waitasec::doh:

It was a fascinating look into his mind. Think I learned more about him on that blog than anywhere else.
I thought it quite sickening to see him preach personal responsibility, team work etc etc.
One thing I do notice there appears to be no occasion when he doesn't throw in the Baden Powell links.

I'm surprised they didn't call themselves Baden-Powell-Clay.... bet they were tempted.
All IMO only

 

[minni]

Now that just confuses me even more. Where did it all go wrong ///////???????:waitasec::doh:

It makes you want to disregard every bad thing you have heard over the last 5 weeks and believe that this man is an upstanding, caring and contributing member of our community. you are so right...WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

 

[linette]

ABSOLUTELY..they simply cannot justify this behaviour with the pathetic, piddly, simple, character deficient explanation that this is 'JUST WHO THEY ARE'......It won't hold true for a single person who knows anything about this.

THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN SAY OR DO THAT WILL EVER EVER EVER MAKE THEIR 'NON REACTION' AND 'NON EMOTION' AND 'NON DETERMINATION TO FIX THIS BE OK WITH THE PUBLIC. EVER

and I dont say this to insinuate that they are homicidal, or murderous or guilty of Allison's death, I am saying that, these people IMO, are cut from a different cloth to the people that I know and love. I do not understand them. I think they make GBC's situation nearly unbearable for him, if innocent

Exactly!! If Gerard is honestly innocent {as opposed to found not guilty and is really guilty} it can never change the fact of how cold his family has been. IMO even if a family is private they still don't act like that. As I said before, it's like they have no feelings. They should have been really worried when she went missing, and in total shock when her body was found. At the funeral they should have been really cut up. Geez, they don't even look like they've been crying behind closed doors. I couldn't even PRETEND not to care. How do they just breeze through this? Are the little girls being comforted enough?

I went to the funeral of someone I'd never met last year {Rellie of hubby} and I started crying when the photos came up.

This family actually knew her very well, she gave them grandchildren. Look at all of the people who have been deeply affected over this who have never even laid eyes on her... what is the BC's problem?? Surely somewhere in there must beat a heart?? ... maybe not.

 

[bellgirl]

Just a quick question for locals .......... I was driving inbound along Mt Crosby Rd this arvo, and half way between Kholo Creek and the Anstead mowing shop, I saw a very tall pole on the right hand side of the road, with what looks like a camera at the top. Does anyone know if it is a camera? It's probably not, but just thought I'd ask.

 

[AllyG]

And why a dry wedding and not a cash bar? Cash bar would come in to it if people were welcome to drink, but the bride and groom didn't want to (or couldn't) pay for the free booze. So it has to come down to either religion or a close family member with a serious drinking problem. MOO

 

[Inanna]

It makes you want to disregard every bad thing you have heard over the last 5 weeks and believe that this man is an upstanding, caring and contributing member of our community. you are so right...WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

In my opinion what is going on is either: a) he has sociopathic traits or perhaps is a psychopath. [If I were a gambler this is where my money would be] OR
b) he is not the one who killed ABC.

 

[marlywings]

I couldn't agree more, their public response has been quite shocking to me on multiple fronts, no heart felt pleas for Allison's return (apart from her SIL who doesn't even live in the same city), no presence around 'the troops' who rallied so quickly to do whatever they could (ie ie family, friends and police, fire, SES and rescue), no public thanks expressed to all those who devoted so much time and energy (often unpaid and on their own time) to help find Allison and no expression of sorrow for the tragedy that unfolded in their midst. To me, it shows a decided lack of empathy and also a decided lack of appropriate social responses (ie at least try to show some empathy and concern even if you don't feel it). To me, this isn't just a matter of being private people with a different way of responding to tragedy, it shows a deficiency in character at the best and and indication of concealment and involvement in Allison's murder at worst

I've thought about their total absence from not only the search but also throughout the following days after Allison's body was found. I don't think it's understandable at all...but there's a tiny bit of my thinking that says whatever they did say would have or could have been interpretated in so many ways....people would still have torn them to shreds as has been done with Olivia's few comments.

 

[minni]

It was a fascinating look into his mind. Think I learned more about him on that blog than anywhere else.
I thought it quite sickening to see him preach personal responsibility, team work etc etc.
One thing I do notice there appears to be no occasion when he doesn't throw in the Baden Powell links.

I'm surprised they didn't call themselves Baden-Powell-Clay.... bet they were tempted.
All IMO only

I feel the opposite. I am a bit freaked out by this. I cannot accept that this man is the same man we are talking about here. I get that people wear masks. but I can't see it. You might all think I have gone a bit mental here, but, to me, that man giving that speech (to the school that I went to) seems more real than the man we have created here on Web Sleuths...I suddenly have a paralysing feeling of guilt and feel that we know nothing AT ALL ABOUT ANYTHING
going to take a break for a day or so

Adiós mis amigos

 

[Inanna]

Exactly!! If Gerard is honestly innocent {as opposed to found not guilty and is really guilty} it can never change the fact of how cold his family has been. IMO even if a family is private they still don't act like that. As I said before, it's like they have no feelings. They should have been really worried when she went missing, and in total shock when her body was found. At the funeral they should have been really cut up. Geez, they don't even look like they've been crying behind closed doors. I couldn't even PRETEND not to care. How do they just breeze through this? Are the little girls being comforted enough?

I went to the funeral of someone I'd never met last year {Rellie of hubby} and I started crying when the photos came up.

This family actually knew her very well, she gave them grandchildren. Look at all of the people who have been deeply affected over this who have never even laid eyes on her... what is the BC's problem?? Surely somewhere in there must beat a heart?? ... maybe not.

I think we need to be mindful of transferring our judgements on what is the "right" way to grieve. Whilst I think personally we are observing a family with a very restrained emotional response that alone doesn't make them guilty.

My own ex's family behaved and continue to behave much the same way as the BC's... actually the behavior is creepily similar. Should I be found dead I think they would behave in a very similar way. There are many folk in our society who are uncomfortable with emotion.

 

[linette]

I've thought about their total absence from not only the search but also throughout the following days after Allison's body was found. I don't think it's understandable at all...but there's a tiny bit of my thinking that says whatever they did say would have or could have been interpretated in so many ways....people would still have torn them to shreds as has been done with Olivia's few comments.

Good point. However, I think people would have had a bit more respect if they appeared as genuinely greiving people. I don't know of anyone who is that cold. Sorry, but I will never be able to understand their actions at all. I think the general public has shed more tears than them.

Something isn't right there. IMO

 

[Fuskier]

thanks Fuskier...I like that I can state my thoughts here and have some recognition sometimes for my input (when its relevant, and quite frankly, I don't always stay on topic!)

but its important that ANYONE, who cared for Allison or has been affected by Allison's story, can come here and talk to other like minded people without feeling they didn't spend enough time in school to warrant some recognition

Love your posts Minni. Oftentimes they are "right on the knocker". (Aussie slang here). Speak your mind girl! Get it out there! Good on ya. Go girl.

 

[Liadan]

you are all right - there is no uniform and proper way to show grief and there is no guideline on how to behave when the media is bearing down on you.

But when you have been basically a media all your life - and now you want them to go away under the pretext of maintaining 'normalacy' it makes us all a bit curious and wonder what is motivating this change.

 

[AllyG]

I feel the opposite. I am a bit freaked out by this. I cannot accept that this man is the same man we are talking about here. I get that people wear masks. but I can't see it. You might all think I have gone a bit mental here, but, to me, that man giving that speech (to the school that I went to) seems more real than the man we have created here on Web Sleuths...I suddenly have a paralysing feeling of guilt and feel that we know nothing AT ALL ABOUT ANYTHING
going to take a break for a day or so

Adiós mis amigos

I somewhat agree with you, minni. It's confusing and horrible. However reading that I don't see the story of a man who would have had the kind of affair on his wife that he had with TM. Don't get me wrong, I'm not ready to condemn the man just yet. Although there have been times where I have felt that none of the "evidence" points anywhere else but in his direction.

The fact remains that without a confession we are never going to know if he did it. All we will know is if the police or the defence put forward the better argument.

 

[itsthevibe]

I couldn't agree more, their public response has been quite shocking to me on multiple fronts, no heart felt pleas for Allison's return (apart from her SIL who doesn't even live in the same city), no presence around 'the troops' who rallied so quickly to do whatever they could (ie ie family, friends and police, fire, SES and rescue), no public thanks expressed to all those who devoted so much time and energy (often unpaid and on their own time) to help find Allison and no expression of sorrow for the tragedy that unfolded in their midst. To me, it shows a decided lack of empathy and also a decided lack of appropriate social responses (ie at least try to show some empathy and concern even if you don't feel it). To me, this isn't just a matter of being private people with a different way of responding to tragedy, it shows a deficiency in character at the best and and indication of concealment and involvement in Allison's murder at worst

Absolutely it does! Yes, way beyond different people responding differently. Just a simple public thank you to all the Emergency workers and police for searching for their beloved daugher-in-law would have been a basic courtesy even from people who are very private.