Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #14

[willough]

Delightful eh? Interesting ...

More interesting to me is how certain elements of the funeral were described. That the detectives semed to be giving certain people more attention. That certain attendees, were outward in anger etc.

As a person described way earlier in the thread.....Detectives keep their friends close, but their enemies even closer.

Also displays of over excessive behaviour at funerals can often mean that said person displaying said behaviours, can have, themselves...something to hide. People backed this up with crying and anger videos...of people upset...even stating "they want the murder found".....to be found out, they were the murderer themselves.

GBC was involved in her murder.....but the other person I feel was closer to home too. More closer than many think.

 

[Heyerdahl]

Do you have any idea what he was like behind closed doors? I would love to hear what you have to say - or if you could expand on your 'friends' opinion of GBC - give us some more insight.

Thanks Dahl

I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to what he was/is like behind closed doors - it would merely be uninformed opinion. However, they did have 3 children together...

 

[linette]

Me too. Could this stalker be the hit-run driver that had a previous DUI conviction?

... the same one that stole the phone? ... hang on, was that a different person, yeah because they left it on. The tatooed stalker would have turned it off surely? :waitasec:

 

[Blue Bottle]

I will have compassion for him if he was not guilty and would feel very bad for anything I have said or thought about him.

That's why I find I'm careful about what I say about him, his family and about those who know him. I do have my own thoughts that he possibly is guilty going by what I have read, but I also know that I may be wrong.

I got caught out once in a case (a British one) where the police even arrested the obvious suspect and after he was held for the allocated time you can hold someone without a charge, he was let go. Internet sites and media said all sorts of derogatory stuff about him... Then not long after someone else was arrested and charged, someone who the media and police had made barely any mention on.

Meantime, the obvious suspect had his life and reputation ruined, and I mean ruined and ended up suing the media.

Ever since then, no matter how obvious a suspect may appear, I find I err on the side of caution in what I say publically on the internet until a charge is laid.. What I say publically in forums stays and can be accessed years later... it gives one a most terrible horrid gut feeling knowing that you have somehow contributed towards shirting up someone else's life.

 

[Bayside]

Reading today's summary of the investigation, it reminds me that we might not be too far from 'closure' on this. But it's just awful thinking what will/can happen to those three lovely girls involved, at the point of any arrest/remand of someone they love (if this happens). Does anyone know what tends to happen with kids, eg custody, accommodation etc if something like that happens?

I think it could end up being quite complex regarding the children.

I hope they work together for the sake of them.

 

[linette]

I wouldn't even hazard a guess as to what he was/is like behind closed doors - it would merely be uninformed opinion. However, they did have 3 children together...

Indeed they did... both horrible & nice people have children. Be better if only the nice ones could have them though.

 

[Heyerdahl]

unless you are in fact the man himself, I dont think you can safely comment on his personality in the privacy of his own home, Dahl IMO

Minni, if you re-read my posts, I have never said anything about what he is /was (or I thought he is/was) like in his own home.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

IMO the issue is not whether they would want the media in their lives, but the issue of being patient and accepting of the media being in their lives in a situation where it is very understandable that the media need to report this, and most of the reporting is very helpful to the case. The discussions on this started around this aspect - basically that if you were innocent and were very keen to see a solution, a result, the killer being caught etc, even though you might find it difficult you would cooperate as much as possible for the best of reasons. Also that if you were more used to the media it wouldnt be quite as difficult or foreign, and you would accept that hey, I spent a lot of time trying to get publicity for my business, and I did get a lot of coverage over the years which benefited me, so now that the media is wanting my cooperation, I'll give back.

We already know from their actions they don't want the media attention - but many of us believe that some of the reason for their defensive and defiant type of attitude at the beginning was because of a sort of siege mentality they went into, way before any speculation against them had even occurred. This was not about them and people being against them, it was about Allison and what happened to her, and the community, police and emergency workers searching for her and being in the frontline.

I just dont think everything can be explained away by saying 'everyone reacts differently', and 'we don't know'.

Thanks. I agree with your first paragraph, and understand that. But I was responding to the statement (by another poster) 'But when you have been basically a media all your life - and now you want them to go away under the pretext of maintaining 'normalacy' it makes us all a bit curious and wonder what is motivating this change.' I did not agree with that statement. Maybe it was meant in a different context. But I did not agree that because you promote yourself through business, that it is wrong then to not want to face them in a pretty horrific personal situation. Of course I would want to thank whomever for helping me to search for a lost loved one(but again this may be through a statement from someone else, if I was unable to myself). And understand your sentiments on this.

I actually think there probably was speculation against at least the husband from the beginning. So not sure about the seige mentality from the beginning when there had been no speculation.

I am not saying everything can be explained away as 'everyone reacts different' and 'we don't know'. However it is Fact that people do react to different situations differently, based on their personality, upbringing and many other factors. And it is also fact that 'we don't know' much of the facts. Please don't get me wrong I have had many of the same suspicions as many throughout this case. But it does not mean I am going to judge everyone the same way or outright accuse or denigrate people involved when I don't understand it or don't know for fact.

I try not to judge others when I am not walking in their shoes. Because I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of that.

I won't say anymore on this. Cause I am not trying to start an arguement. Everyone has their opinions and I think we are all entitled to express them within TOS.

 

[linette]

Minni, if you re-read my posts, I have never said anything about what he is /was (or I thought he is/was) like in his own home.

Maybe you haven't ... but you're picking at those of us who have stated our opinion.

 

[marlywings]

I am not naming anyone as a POI, including GBC. He happens to be one of a cast of players in this tragic saga.

It's an alternative theory (as per one of my first posts).

So let's play "alternative theories"....who exactly is this "cast of players" you're referring to??

 

[Heyerdahl]

I have read your post. Is it fact or your opinion that GBC is aware of the public interest/scrutiny of him?

I have not stated it as a 'fact'. Therefore, it is an opinion, the rationale for which is his action(s).

 

[Kimster]

Maybe you haven't ... but you're picking at those of us who have stated our opinion.

I have not stated it as a 'fact'. Therefore, it is an opinion, the rationale for which is his action(s).

Please don't start it up again. Just continue on with differing opinions and stop saying "you said, you did, you think".

State your own opinion and that's okay.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

That's why I find I'm careful about what I say about him, his family and about those who know him. I do have my own thoughts that he possibly is guilty going by what I have read, but I also know that I may be wrong.

I got caught out once in a case (a British one) where the police even arrested the obvious suspect and after he was held for the allocated time you can hold someone without a charge, he was let go. Internet sites and media said all sorts of derogatory stuff about him... Then not long after someone else was arrested and charged, someone who the media and police had made barely any mention on.

Meantime, the obvious suspect had his life and reputation ruined, and I mean ruined and ended up suing the media.

Ever since then, no matter how obvious a suspect may appear, I find I err on the side of caution in what I say publically on the internet until a charge is laid.. What I say publically in forums stays and can be accessed years later... it gives one a most terrible horrid gut feeling knowing that you have somehow contributed towards shirting up someone else's life.

Exactly the same here. Regardless of what I think. It does not mean I am correct without all the evidence to show me one way or the other. I am cautious of what I say, because, what if we are incorrect. regardless of our opinions. We have no fact yet. I would hate for someone to actually be innocent and having to deal with the situation as well as all the rest of the c**p, and insinutations etc. And this is a very public forum.

 

[Fuskier]

Defamation in Australia
http://www.thenewsmanual.net/Resources/medialaw_in_australia_02.html

Defamation Laws & the Internet
https://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Censor/defamation.html

Thanks GRANNIE. This is the kind of information many posters have sought throughout the forum. Finally, we have some clear guidelines about Defamation in the Australian legal context. Thanks also to Watsonian Institute, Indogswetrust, Hawkins and Actus Reus for their comments re legal citations/context.

 

[willough]

I feel we have exhausted the GBC angle to the ground.....Where we are all very understanding that he was one of the orchestrators of this crime. How about now (whilst keeping him in mind....I am not suggesting we take him away from the fore front at all...Not saying we try to take the pressure of him here). But, why can we not now try to sleuth, other possibilities that may tie in.....looking at everyone surrounding Allison, empthasis on EVERYONE. Not in an accusationary manner, but in a manner to deleting each possibility...as a process of elimination.

 

[Heyerdahl]

@ dahl

Dahl, so do you think the stalker was the guy with tatts and gardening gloves spotted by another posters mate, at Kholo?
Dahl... you still there Dahl?

Did I mention anyone with a tatoo and gardening gloves in any of my posts?? Nope - that wasn't me! Re-read the original post with the stalker scenario I put forward as an alternative way of looking at the case. No mention of the bloke you describe in it I'm afraid.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Don't forget that if someone is found "not guilty" in a Court of Law, it doesn't mean they are really innocent. Unless someone else confesses to this murder, I believe a cloud will always hover over his head, even if he were to be found not guilty. IMO.

Thanks. I am not forgetting. But I was not actually saying if he is found not guilty. So basically in some peoples mind regardless of whether he is found not guilty or not. He is still hung drawn and quartered? lol.

I can understand having an opinion on his guilty. Not though to the point that nothing is going to sway you any other way ever, even without the facts and even if found not guilty?

If someone else is proven to be guilty(not saying that will happen). Then surely he can be afforded some compassion or at least//'let off the hook'?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

... and "the dingo took my baby" case IMO.

See I don't know if I can make a judgement in that case. Even the courts couldn't. well ok yes I know how the case went but... ah well won't go into that one.

 

[Bayside]

Did I mention anyone with a tatoo and gardening gloves in any of my posts?? Nope - that wasn't me! Re-read the original post with the stalker scenario I put forward as an alternative way of looking at the case. No mention of the bloke you describe in it I'm afraid.

If the person was a stalker I would think the police would have warned the public. I also think the police wouldnt be so interested in the Baden Clay cars they would be looking for the stalkers car.

 

[willough]

So basically in some peoples mind regardless of whether he is found not guilty or not. He is still hung drawn and quartered? lol.

Oh hell yeah.....As I stipulated once before, If he saw me in the street and said "Hi, I'm Gerard...Would you like some coffee?"..............I'd do a speedy gonzales....right on out of there "NOOOOOO THANK YOU"....I prefer to stay dry and alive thanks.

Sadly, that would be no matter what the result is....Sad or not, that is my truth.