Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #15

[angel1]

grrr i keep forgetting to put stuff in my messages before sending them. My brain is working overtime today lol

Another 2 things i was thinking of while looking at reports in google

I remember in one they said something about

GBC wasn't going to say who he thought killed Allison

I'm wondering if going by that someone else did do it and GBC was just involved in some way (if he was)


Also i can't understand why (if they think) GBC did it that he hasn't (according to news reports) given a statement yet. I was in a situation last year where i witnessed something. I wasn't even allowed to go too the hospital to see my friend until i had been to the police station to do my statement

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Peeps, ducking in here between rounds of lightning & thunderstorms & wireless outages to say please please post MSM links to the ideas you are posting. Even if you consider these ideas to be "common knowledge," remember that newer members may not have read every post of every thread yet--and that once upon a time we were each of us "newer members."

Oh, sounds like you are in the thick of it. good luck.

referring to posts on previous page regarding what we thought had already been established. The reply was to a long time member. And as the link was already in the quote. I didn't feel a need. But thanks for the reminder..we all were new once. I know I went back and read every post when I was new. But with 15 threads now..that can be harder.

 

[Myserty64]

The QPS will not release anything that will compromise the investigation in any way.

IMHO the great difficulty in this case is directly linking the suspect to the murder.
A lot of the forensic stuff is devalued because DNA, fingerprints, hairs, fabric threads are everywhere due of obvious reasons.

Also, the QPS doesn't want this case unresolved any longer than it has to be.

Allison's family needs closure so they can begin rebuilding their lives as best they can.

What kind of monster inflicts this on all of Allison's loved ones?

 

[marlywings]

Thanks Bayside. That wasn't the one I saw last night. It appears whatever was put up last night has now vanished?? And been replace by the article you just linked.

It seems Courier Mail has been replacing reports/changing wording as they go along.

I posted the following info at 09:15 PM last night so I think this is probably the one you're referring to...the originial time stamp was 8.04pm on the report .....this report was later replaced to read 12.00am.

Hopes of arrest after toxicology results in Allison Baden-Clay murder case released

THE toxicology results in the Allison Baden-Clay murder case have been returned but police are yet to announce how the 43-year-old mother of three was killed.
It is understood other forensic test results are outstanding, but police say they are moving as fast as they can in the investigation.

It is the last piece of the forensic tests puzzle to come back and police say they are moving as fast as they can in the investigation.

It is understood the information will help secure an arrest

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226372823158

That link ^ now reads 12.00am.

nooo...the whole link has been removed now...lol

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

It seems Courier Mail has been replacing reports/changing wording as they go along.

I posted the following info at 09:15 PM last night so I think this is probably the one you're referring to...the originial time stamp was 8.04pm on the report .....this report was later replaced to read 12.00am.

Hopes of arrest after toxicology results in Allison Baden-Clay murder case released

THE toxicology results in the Allison Baden-Clay murder case have been returned but police are yet to announce how the 43-year-old mother of three was killed.
It is understood other forensic test results are outstanding, but police say they are moving as fast as they can in the investigation.

It is the last piece of the forensic tests puzzle to come back and police say they are moving as fast as they can in the investigation.

It is understood the information will help secure an arrest

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/q...-1226372823158

That link ^ now reads 12.00am.

Yes Marlywings!:star2: thats it. Thanks!.. I underlined and bolded the part I was referring to..
I have a feeling..maybe wishful thinking that there might be arrests by the end of the week?

:seeya: .......

 

[mouse detective]

I have a friend who until recently was involved with a real-estate agent. His business has been floundering for the past 3 years. He has had to move his prominent street front business into his home. He has a massive tax bill to pay plus other debts. In addition to lavish office he over-extended himself on cars.He has loaned a significant amount of money from his "controlling" parents and brother. He is going through an ugly divorce which has compounded the financial pressure on him. He does an extensive amount of caring for his two young children. He has churned through so many staff its not funny. He's a Jekyll and Hyde character to his partner ( my friend) - one minute he loved her the next he was being emotionally abusive. He has repeatedly asked her to loan him money. She has repeatedly declined to help him as she does not feel he will repay her. This amount he has been asking for has been gradually increasing and now is in the $100,000's. When my friend declines his request for financial support he becomes very nasty - verbally abusing her and quite recently he pushed her so hard she fell and had a massive deep purple bruise on her hip for weeks afterwards.He has made suicide and death threats along the way - basically he is very unstable. My friend discovered that he had been chatting to an east european woman Nadia* on the net for up to 8 hours a day every day for weeks so doing nothing to help his financial position. He has since declared undying love for Nadia and paid for her to go on a holiday with him ( which he paid for) and has been sending her expansive gifts. He has rejected my friend and she is gutted because she really wanted it to work. This story of ABC resonates so well with me because I can seriously imagine a scenario where my friend could have come to a sticky end had he been the beneficiary of her estate or insurance policy. There are some scarily similar circumstances here I feel.

 

[marlywings]

The above 8.04pm report was replaced with this one with a time stamp of 12.00am

Hopes of arrest after toxicology results in Allison Baden-Clay murder case released

TOXICOLOGY tests into the murder of Allison Baden-Clay have been completed, but police are yet to announce what killed the mother-of-three.
It's the last piece of the puzzle from the post-mortem examination and police say they are moving as fast as they can.

Police won't reveal what information they've gleaned so far from the results and say they won't be releasing the toxicology findings, which were returned on Monday.

Police Minister Jack Dempsey said last week the investigation was a priority and police would do everything they could to ensure no stone was left unturned.

Despite a backlog in forensic test analysis, data submitted from the post-mortem examination on Mrs Baden-Clay had been fast-tracked to try to secure an arrest as soon as possible.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...results-released/story-e6freoof-1226372823158

 

[marlywings]

Yes Marlywings!:star2: thats it. Thanks!.. I underlined and bolded the part I was referring to..
I have a feeling..maybe wishful thinking that there might be arrests by the end of the week?

Here's hoping that's the case Unfolding...or even sooner would be better.

"why do they do that"...because they can/in too much of a hurry to get the report out & or perhaps realised they've included something which isn't correct....wish I knew why...lol.

Last night even from one report to the next just a couple of words had been changed from the original.

Interesting though as it's the same journo who did the "sleepover" thing in those two past reports.

 

[Thinking]

Also thought it might be interesting to post a few facts (gleaned from links posted here).

FACTS
Allison was excited to be preparing for the conference, had her hair done
Last seen by hairdresser (unless you count GBC)
Not seen by anyone else until body found
GBC sets the timeframe as around 10pm (I think this is important, it gives an insight into what I think really happened)
Reports her missing at 730am, in his estimate around 9 hours after assumed 'walk'
GCB tells Dickies about the 'walk'
Cars spotted on roundabout
Cars spotted at dump site
Police arrive in the am
GCB has scratches on face

ASSUMPTIONS
My assumptions based on these facts
1. Murder was not pre-meditated
2. Murder caused by GBC feeling a lack of control over ABC- I feel the hair appointment prior is telling in this case
3. ABC murdered in DV incident at home around 10pm
4. GBC calls ?
5. GBC and ? take body to dump site
6. GBC goes home- WERE THE CARS SPOTTED TWICE AT THE ROUNDABOUT? THIS WOULD PROVIDE CRUCIAL TIMING TO DRIVE TO DUMP SITE AND COME BACK
7. Clean up occurs

Thanks Louh, it helps to see it all in point form like that!

Something that keeps troubling me, and which we have discussed a bit, is in relation to assumption no. 5:

If we are to assume that the two family cars were involved, why the two cars? Why wouldn't the perp and accomplice go in one car, dump body and return together? Unless they were going to leave Allison's car out there to make it look like suicide/car accident etc, I don't get why both family cars were taken (if this is the case of course - maybe it was a family car and a totally different car seen, who knows.....)??

 

[minni]

grrr i keep forgetting to put stuff in my messages before sending them. My brain is working overtime today lol

Another 2 things i was thinking of while looking at reports in google

I remember in one they said something about

GBC wasn't going to say who he thought killed Allison

I'm wondering if going by that someone else did do it and GBC was just involved in some way (if he was)

I remember trying to decipher what that meant too....It seems like it means something and I can't figure out what!

 

[jubillee]

And for these reasons and more (i.e., WS rules about wild or unfounded speculation about victims), we don't go down those paths, or discuss those unfounded speculations here.

you dont discuss unfounded speculations here?:waitasec:

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Here's hoping that's the case Unfolding...or even sooner would be better.

"why do they do that"...because they can/in too much of a hurry to get the report out & or perhaps realised they've included something which isn't correct....wish I knew why...lol.

Last night even from one report to the next just a couple of words had been changed from the original.

Interesting though as it's the same journo who did the "sleepover" thing in those two past reports.

I think also..if you look when the article is no longer there. It states as one reason why, that it may be pulled to comply with legal reasons. Perhaps the police at times, ask for an article to be pulled because of certain things said, or if not pulled. 'please reword'

 

[LauraMars]

Peeps, ducking in here between rounds of lightning & thunderstorms & wireless outages to say please please post MSM links to the ideas you are posting. Even if you consider these ideas to be "common knowledge," remember that newer members may not have read every post of every thread yet--and that once upon a time we were each of us "newer members."

Sorry ynotdivein, I was guilty of this on my previous post, but have edited and inserted a link, after finally figuring out how to do it lol - still finding my way round the site functions :blushing:

 

[imamaze]

you dont discuss unfounded speculations here?:waitasec:

Hi jubillee

No we don't, we can discuss and speculate based on the facts we know, but not unfounded rumors and speculation. Hope that helps.

Ima

 

[Greg]

grrr i keep forgetting to put stuff in my messages before sending them. My brain is working overtime today lol

Another 2 things i was thinking of while looking at reports in google

I remember in one they said something about

GBC wasn't going to say who he thought killed Allison

I'm wondering if going by that someone else did do it and GBC was just involved in some way (if he was)


Also i can't understand why (if they think) GBC did it that he hasn't (according to news reports) given a statement yet. I was in a situation last year where i witnessed something. I wasn't even allowed to go too the hospital to see my friend until i had been to the police station to do my statement

http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/LEGA...ITHPOLICE/Pages/DoIhavetotalktothepolice.aspx

The police want me to go to the police station to answer questions. Do I have to go?

No, unless you are under arrest. The police cannot force you to go to the police station without arresting you. Just because the police call at your address or ring you and ask you to come to the police station doesn't mean you have to go there.

If police don't seem to be giving you a choice about going to the police station you can ask if you're under arrest. If you're not you don't have to go.

Even if you do go to the police station, you still have the right to remain silent.

I've told the police I don't want to be interviewed but they're still at me to go to the police station anyway. What can I do?

Sometimes the police tell you that you still need to come and say on a tape that you don't want to be interviewed. You don't have to do it. You may need to write a letter to confirm that you don't want to go and be interviewed.

In some circumstances you do have to answer questions or show police things like your ID, your licence.

If you don't want to answer questions and you're not sure whether you have to, ask a lawyer for legal advice.

The police want to interview me to tell my side of the story. If I've got nothing to hide it can't hurt to go for a police interview can it?

Yes, it can.

If you say something, it's recorded and you can't take it back. It can be used against you in court (unless you can get the interview thrown out, which is hard).
Even if you've done nothing wrong, you can feel nervous at the interview, misunderstand the question and perhaps answer incorrectly.
You might expect one charge, but what you say can lead to a different, more serious charge or more charges.
You can take a lawyer with you to the interview to advise you, but the lawyer cannot interfere in the interview.
Even if it doesn't hurt to go and be interviewed, it doesn't usually help you either.
It's rare that what you say in an interview will mean that the police will drop charges against you.

You can get advice from a lawyer about whether agreeing to a police interview is a good idea for you. Legal Aid Queensland does not provide lawyers to go to the police station with you, but can arrange for you to get legal advice to help you decide whether you want to agree to an interview.

 

[BrizzychickinUSA]

I have a friend who until recently was involved with a real-estate agent. His business has been floundering for the past 3 years. He has had to move his prominent street front business into his home. He has inute he loved her the next he was being emotionally abusive. He has repeatedly asked her to loan him money. She has repeatedly declined to help him as she does not feel he will repay her. This amount he has been asking for has been gradually increasing and now is in the $100,000's. When my friend declines his request so doing nothing to help his financial position. He has since declared undying love for Nadia and paid for her to go on a holiday with him ( which he paid for) and has been sending her expansive gifts. He has rejected my friend and she is gutted because she really wanted it to work. This story of ABC resonates so well with me because I can seriously imagine a scenario where my friend could have come to a sticky end had he been the beneficiary of her estate or insurance policy. There are some scarily similar circumstances here I feel.

Oh yeah...I had a marriage like this once....I'm still waiting for the prick today to pay me back the debt...guys that put u in debt and have affairs on yah suck...glad I got out,...

But you are right, there's a few men like this out there

 

[possumheart]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/police-interview-brisbane-man-over-missing-wife/story-e6frg6nf-1226342131175

THE husband of missing Brisbane woman Allison Baden-Clay was interviewed by detectives yesterday as police continued their search for her in western Brisbane.

Gerard Baden-Clay arrived at Indooroopilly Police Station in the western suburbs early yesterday afternoon with his father, leaving his three children with his wife's parents at a nearby park. He returned to his parents' house in nearby Kenmore an hour or so later.

Mrs Baden-Clay has not been seen since she left her home at the semi-rural suburb of Brookfield on the evening of April 19.

Police have previously said Mr Baden-Clay was not a person of interest in his wife's disappearance.

A Brookfield resident told Brisbane's Sunday Mail newspaper he heard a woman scream at about the time Mrs Baden-Clay disappeared.

Up to 80 police are involved in the search, and police divers were called in yesterday to scour private dams in the area.

The area also has several old mine shafts, and police are investigating whether she may have fallen down one of these.

Assistant Commissioner Mike Condon said yesterday family members were co-operating with police. MB

Really – the media are so confusing!!!!

 

[Seeking]

Yes, this has been discussed. There are no facts or anything pointing that way at this stage.

This message from Currious cat was in regards to someone asking whether there could be someone else involved that we are unaware of.........perhaps someone that ABC knew for any number of reasons. I agree that we can't go down the path of speculating who this could be if it did happen to be true etc. because we have no information about anything of that nature......and we don't want to start any rumours etc.

However, we are not the police, just because WE (the public) don't have any solid facts about anyone else doesn't mean that the police don't have such facts or information. So in my opinion the scenario of a completely different person being involved who we have not heard of here or in the media even, is not impossible. In saying this, remember this is just my opinion and not fact. By saying this, I am also only reflecting a POSSIBILITY of other things that the police may have considered and not shared with the public for their own reasons. We obviously are unable to sleuth in this direction though.

The other brief comment that I wanted to make was that someone questioned whether GBC had visited the Kholo Creek site after Allison's body was found. I cannot remember where (and even if I did I am so technologically unsavvy that I wouldn't know how to link anyway!), but I do remember reading somewhere about GBC visiting the site with his daughters. From what I remember, it was a different occasion to the time that the Dickies visited.

I am not trying to "defend GBC" or anything like that. I am just trying to be fair. Reality is that there is so much that we (the public) don't know and it is very hard to make a true judgement without all of the facts. All I hope for everyone's sake, is that the QPS do a thorough job and arrest the right person(s)...whoever they are.

 

[Curiousasacat]

I don't think we missed it. It has been stated in previous threads and linked to media articles, that the girls were on sleepover. I am not sure why there was continued speculation. I thought we had established that some time back.. Or maybe its just MOO that we had established it. I thought we had- in my mind we had.

I didn't recall it as being confirmed fact but the last time it was mentioned I ended up with a time out. It is interesting that the ipad version was different though.
Sorry I missed it. : (

 

[Woof]

thank you for those thoughts Mountainhigh.

I find it very strange that a real estate office would move into a Tower block. Usually Real estate offices want the passing traffic (both pedestrian and vehicular) to sell their product and their name.

I think the real estate office is down to a couple of properties and some rentals and is winding down. Be interesting to know when he took the lease on the new office

Most often now RE searching is done via the net, through realestate.com.au or other such sites. No more need for agents to have ground level offices. I think someone may have mentioned this already. Sorry if so.