Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #15

[Keentoknow]

Carrying a dead body would be almost impossible for one person especially from a road or track, through the bush, down a creekbank or whatever. You would have to be very strong and fit. Think 70kg of unwrapped sausages. I posted in an earlier thread that I once tried to carry a completely drunk person and it was impossible because of arms, legs, head lolling about and being floppy.

There must have been an accomplice or two involved in hiding the body. At least one of those accomplices was obviously not happy to ride in a car with a corpse. Quite understandable I think.

You would think that after the Perp experienced doing this, the Perp would have nightmares and flashbacks, and be haunting yourself. You would never forget it surely.

 

[marlywings]

Why has the hairdresser been questioned three times? As many times as TM?

This is a post by member who posted info back on 6th May re the hairdresser....

05-06-2012, 02:41 PM
BrookieLocal
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 14

Hi everyone, first time poster but had read all previous threads.
My friend works at the Hair Salon in Kenmore Plaza (for non-locals it is not the shopping centre at the roundabout but about 1km down the road), she told me Allison had her hair done on Thursday evening. All the staff were questioned the following morning. They were asked what Allison's demeanor was, what she said, what was she wearing, what time did she leave. My friend said she was happy and relaxed. She was discussing the conference which she was attending the following day. It was with Pathways, she was training to become a Pathways facilitator (works with small groups of children or one-on-one). My friend also mentioned Allison said the girls were at a sleep-over at the in-laws and she had a "night off". I know this conflicts with other info. She was not wearing her walking clothes. I didn't ask her what time Allison left, I presumed it was before 8pm and that's why the police changed the times, perhaps 8pm was the last time someone else besides GB-C saw her.
The staff were also questioned the Tuesday after Allison's body was found, they were asked more specifically about any marks, bruises or scratches she had on her neck, chest, arms and hands.

 

[Zorro]

Thanks zorro and I understand what you are saying - but why would the accomplice not take their own car?

I don't know. It's at this point we run out of facts and develop scenarios which can get quite wild.

Based on who we know the police have spoken to we can only surmise who the murderer is, who accomplices might be and then we need to surmise where these characters were at the time of death and surmise how they got to the place of death and how they got home again. It can become quite bizarre and damaging to innocent people.

 

[Aussie_expat.sg]

Thanks zorro and I understand what you are saying - but why would the accomplice not take their own car?

perhaps either Allison or GBC were chasing the other, and then the "accident" occurred. Is it possible for another accomplice to WALK to that roundabout and meet GBC? If i remember someone said an older gentleman may have been waiting there. I may be wrong. Do either of the two main accomplice suspects live close enough to walk there?

 

[bellgirl]

Because the body was lost for ten days a lot of the physical signs of cause of death could be gone. For example suffocation would probably be impossible to detect. It's not nice to think about, but you can exercise your mind deciding what causes of death would be hard to detect when a lot of the softer tissues of the body have decayed.

A specific cause of death may not be possible to identify but a whole lot of causes will be eliminated. It is not essential to a murder case that the precise cause of death be known but it will certainly be narrowed down.

Thanks again Zorro. Gosh, you make alot of sense and really tell it like it is - but also with 'respect'. OK, going with the 'not so obvious physicals':

* suffocation, it's going to be near impossible to confirm now - details I'm too squirmish to go into, but I understand (after your explanation) and most others would too.

or

* strangulation - but at this point, would that still be physically evident??

or

* hit to the head (term I would prefer not to use)

I'd really like your views/ideas of what actually happened!

 

[mountainhigh]

Carrying a dead body would be almost impossible for one person especially from a road or track, through the bush, down a creekbank or whatever. You would have to be very strong and fit. Think 70kg of unwrapped sausages. I posted in an earlier thread that I once tried to carry a completely drunk person and it was impossible because of arms, legs, head lolling about and being floppy.

There must have been an accomplice or two involved in hiding the body. At least one of those accomplices was obviously not happy to ride in a car with a corpse. Quite understandable I think.

appreciate your comments and sure you are right, just curious though, was she around 70kg? Also, and not talking from experience of course, but wouldn't adrenlin kick in to some degree and assist in all of this. Given the perp probaby would have had several hours to do this, there was no rush.
just curious on your thoughts. I just wouldnt have thought it to be an impossibility is all, for one large male.

 

[Aussie_expat.sg]

appreciate your comments and sure you are right, just curious though, was she around 70kg? Also, and not talking from experience of course, but wouldn't adrenlin kick in to some degree and assist in all of this. Given the perp probaby would have had several hours to do this, there was no rush.
just curious on your thoughts. I just wouldnt have thought it to be an impossibility is all, for one large male.

I"m 65kgs and female...and i can easily lift 1.5 times my body weight in a "dead man's lift". My Dad taught me to do it when i was a teen.

 

[Zorro]

Thanks again Zorro. Gosh, you make alot of sense and really tell it like it is - but also with 'respect'. OK, going with the 'not so obvious physicals':

* suffocation, it's going to be near impossible to confirm now - details I'm too squirmish to go into, but I understand (after your explanation) and most others would too.

or

* strangulation - but at this point, would that still be physically evident??

or

* hit to the head (term I would prefer not to use)

I'd really like your views/ideas of what actually happened!

I'm no expert in bodies. Based on dead animals, if somebody gave me a fairly decomposed body and ask me how it died I think an Xray would show broken bones, bullets, chipped bones, possible torn ligaments. I'm sure a skull would have to be cracked if the blow was enough to kill. I imagine there are much more sophisticated methods that forensic experts would have.

 

[bellgirl]

This is a post by member who posted info back on 6th May re the hairdresser....

05-06-2012, 02:41 PM
BrookieLocal
Registered User Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 14

Hi everyone, first time poster but had read all previous threads.
My friend works at the Hair Salon in Kenmore Plaza (for non-locals it is not the shopping centre at the roundabout but about 1km down the road), she told me Allison had her hair done on Thursday evening. All the staff were questioned the following morning. They were asked what Allison's demeanor was, what she said, what was she wearing, what time did she leave. My friend said she was happy and relaxed. She was discussing the conference which she was attending the following day. It was with Pathways, she was training to become a Pathways facilitator (works with small groups of children or one-on-one). My friend also mentioned Allison said the girls were at a sleep-over at the in-laws and she had a "night off". I know this conflicts with other info. She was not wearing her walking clothes. I didn't ask her what time Allison left, I presumed it was before 8pm and that's why the police changed the times, perhaps 8pm was the last time someone else besides GB-C saw her.
The staff were also questioned the Tuesday after Allison's body was found, they were asked more specifically about any marks, bruises or scratches she had on her neck, chest, arms and hands.

Thanks marlywings. I remember this post - it was huge news at the time! I still believe every word from what BrookieLocal said.

 

[Cleverchick]

I can't stop thinking about earlier reports before she was confirmed as dead, on the 1st of May when an unidentified body was found this was reported

"The missing persons case has been ramped up for some time, basically as a result of investigations that have been undertaken," Superintendent Ainsworth said.


At this stage we're looking at an unlawful homicide investigation. We have been looking at that for some time now.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...for-answers-20120430-1xut4.html#ixzz1wM98b8NP

So there must have been something from the very beginning to get them worried.

 

[mountainhigh]

You would think that after the Perp experienced doing this, the Perp would have nightmares and flashbacks, and be haunting yourself. You would never forget it surely.

Yes especially given the perp on this occasion is clearly not a seasoned killer. One would think that just through sheer behavioural change you could spot the novice killer in a second. That has been bothering me for a little while as well to be honest. I am pretty sure that if anyone I knew personallly (probably 100 odd people) had killed someone, especially one of their family members or a loved one close to them that they would have it literally written all over their face. They would be an absolute mess, a train wreck!

This is not something the average person ever experiences in their lifetime. My wife knows when I have done something just a teeny bit wrong like forget to take the wheelie bin out and then try to cover it up somehow, so I'm pretty sure she would know if i'd snuck out to go and kill my brother or something like that...
interesting, and im sure the police have this completed covered.
I think we all know that they know full well who's gonna cop it here and hae done probably since day 1, now its just when...so it sticks...

 

[Zorro]

appreciate your comments and sure you are right, just curious though, was she around 70kg? Also, and not talking from experience of course, but wouldn't adrenlin kick in to some degree and assist in all of this. Given the perp probaby would have had several hours to do this, there was no rush.
just curious on your thoughts. I just wouldnt have thought it to be an impossibility is all, for one large male.

70kg? I saw photographs of the C21 Awards night Feb 2012 (I think they have gone from the photographers website) and Allison looked like an average size. I'm not saying that a person couldn't carry a body but the terrain around Kholo Creek is not parkland, it's rough steep bush.

Without wanting to open a debate about who the murderer was, I don't think we can assume it was a strong man.

 

[mountainhigh]

I"m 65kgs and female...and i can easily lift 1.5 times my body weight in a "dead man's lift". My Dad taught me to do it when i was a teen.

ok, well I'm not gonna call you any names then am I!
oh what the hell, you live in Singapore, what are you gonna do, bring it on!! lol

 

[Woof]

Believe it or not there could actually be a message in this beard. I understand they are quite religous people yes? Perhaps there is more into this beard than you think. Perhaps a reach out. The beard in fact has quite alot of historical relevance in a biblical sense. some will say 'turn it up' but you never know....

quote:

"When you see the Scripture, you are going to learn that there are plenty of passages in the proclamation of the truth of God's Word about the beard."


"The beard is assumed in Scripture just like the doctrine of God is assumed. There are no definite commands to grow a beard, but there are divine regulations concerning the beard."

II Samuel 19:24-26, "And Mephibosheth the son of Saul come down to meet the king, and had neither dressed his feet, nor trimmed his beard, nor washed his clothes, from the day the king departed until the day he came again in peace. And it came to pass, when he was come to Jerusalem to meet the king, that the king said unto him, Wherefore wentest not thou with me, Mephibosheth? And he answered, My lord, O king, my servant deceived me: for thy servant said, I will saddle me an , that I may ride thereon, and go to the king; because thy servant is lame." In this story, David was ran off the throne by Absalom his son, and Mephibosheth wanted to go with him. You see, the very fact that Mephibosheth had neglected his beard, indicated that he was honest and wanted David to return.

I don't buy the beard story. That's a Jewish tradition which the BCs are not. Jews who already have beards will not trim them in times of mourning. GBC is usually clean shaven. My suspicion is that he's attempting to hide behind it.

 

[Aussie_expat.sg]

ok, well I'm not gonna call you any names then am I!
oh what the hell, you live in Singapore, what are you gonna do, bring it on!! lol

Pilates makes me STRONG Mountainhigh! LOL. I'm no body builder.
But seriously, you can lift much more than your body weight if you do it the right way. My dad taught me "dead man's lift"...one arm and one leg over each of your shoulders...that is how they carried their wounded mates in WWII.

I'm sure the Scouts would have learned the same thing as a "rescue" method.

 

[Aussie_expat.sg]

Pilates makes me STRONG Mountainhigh! LOL. I'm no body builder.
But seriously, you can lift much more than your body weight if you do it the right way. My dad taught me "dead man's lift"...one arm and one leg over each of your shoulders...that is how they carried their wounded mates in WWII.

I'm sure the Scouts would have learned the same thing as a "rescue" method.

by the way, i'm not saying this is what the perp did! I agree with you...in the blind panic, he/she most likely called for help. I"m hoping that will be the perp's undoing. Once more than one person is involved, the chances of stuffing up your story are much higher.

 

[mountainhigh]

I don't buy the beard story. That's a Jewish tradition which the BCs are not. Jews who already have beards will not trim them in times of mourning. GBC is usually clean shaven. My suspicion is that he's attempting to hide behind it.

you don't have to buy it, just worth throwing it out there given the family in question are quite religous from all accounts and as widely reported. but yes its probably more of a case of hiding behind it, true.
by the way its not just a jewish thing, my research on it centred mainly on historical christianity in fact and the relevance of beards in god knows AD or BC, anyway not relevant.
gotta throw a few things out there at the moment, not much else doing...wouldn't have bothered if they weren't very religous but from all accounts they are... <modsnip>

 

[Keentoknow]

Yes especially given the perp on this occasion is clearly not a seasoned killer. One would think that just through sheer behavioural change you could spot the novice killer in a second. That has been bothering me for a little while as well to be honest. I am pretty sure that if anyone I knew personallly (probably 100 odd people) had killed someone, especially one of their family members or a loved one close to them that they would have it literally written all over their face. They would be an absolute mess, a train wreck!

This is not something the average person ever experiences in their lifetime. My wife knows when I have done something just a teeny bit wrong like forget to take the wheelie bin out and then try to cover it up somehow, so I'm pretty sure she would know if i'd snuck out to go and kill my brother or something like that...
interesting, and im sure the police have this completed covered.
I think we all know that they know full well who's gonna cop it here and hae done probably since day 1, now its just when...so it sticks...

Then when Perp gets to prison he will be reinventing himself as a model prisoner.

 

[Berry]

Yes especially given the perp on this occasion is clearly not a seasoned killer. One would think that just through sheer behavioural change you could spot the novice killer in a second. That has been bothering me for a little while as well to be honest. I am pretty sure that if anyone I knew personallly (probably 100 odd people) had killed someone, especially one of their family members or a loved one close to them that they would have it literally written all over their face. They would be an absolute mess, a train wreck!

This is not something the average person ever experiences in their lifetime. My wife knows when I have done something just a teeny bit wrong like forget to take the wheelie bin out and then try to cover it up somehow, so I'm pretty sure she would know if i'd snuck out to go and kill my brother or something like that...
interesting, and im sure the police have this completed covered.
I think we all know that they know full well who's gonna cop it here and hae done probably since day 1, now its just when...so it sticks...

Oh yes indeed mountainhigh, it would be readable from their face.....wonder why it is now covered by a beard??

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Remember earlier they said that she could have died as early as 8pm...

I do remember. BUt then I amnot sure if that went by the way as they were concentrating then on the 11:30pm- 4am timeframe.