Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #18

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  • #421
Ah, that's OK, you're allowed to be wrong ONCE in your life... afterall, husbands are usually wrong aren't they? :floorlaugh:

Hahahaha! In a heartbeat, I would agree ....... but thinking about it, I know that I don't give my husband enough credit sometimes! He has no interest in this case, so is logic ......... I'm absolutely addicted, so am too emotional/opinionated!
 
  • #422
Read back. Why would the police have them then?

I have no idea, but police collect lots of items in an enquiry and rarely tell us the reasons why.
 
  • #423
That's why I worry about IF their father is found guilty... that's going to hit hard. Not just because they'll be losing him too, but the REASON they'll be losing him. :(

It's such a dreadful scenario for those poor little girls. I can't imagine they would recover from that.
 
  • #424
Hmmmm this could get ugly :0
 
  • #425
All she did was happen to drive past his house and see his car..:woohoo: Sorry Indromum..nothing personal :blushing:

You're a diamond in the rough and it is the Queen's Jubileeeeeeeeee
 
  • #426
Is there a link for the boarding up of windows? or is it just gossip ?
 
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  • #428
Is there a link for the boarding up of windows? or is it just gossip ?

I asked that question a while back and I recall someone saying it was a rumour. Who knows?
 
  • #429
Holy cow there are word filters on here :goodnight:
 
  • #430
I agree with you in part, however it is so hard to not think that GBC is guilty.

Regardless of what was going on in the marriage, affairs, financial troubles his wife was missing. So what if he was going to be scutinized.

If he played no part in this horrible crime then why not

Provide a statement to Police
Allow Police to search whatever they wanted to without having to get a warrant
Hand over the cars to be forensically investigated
Hand over the computers, mobile phones any other phone records whatever was needed
Allow Police to investigate anything they wanted to in order to get himself off the Police POI list so they could concentrate their efforts on finding the murderer
Go to the Showgrounds when the SES were searching for his wife and actually show some due consideration to these people and show some honest concern as to where his wife was
Even if there was trouble in the marriage surely there would be some genuine grief shown considering you now have three children who have no mother, if not for Allison then surely for the children.

I know if I was in this situation I would be doing everything in my power to help the Police in every way that I could in order to find the murderer.

And IMO he is actually not better off saying nothing, if he is innocent and he had done all of the above and more I am sure that the public perhaps would be having a different view towards him than they do now.

He has done nothing to help himself, all his actions and inactions point to GBC.
I just cant be swayed any other way.

All IMO

My question Sheerluck Holmes is how do you know for fact that all of these statements are true? How does any one of us know how cooperative or not this man has been to the police? People have indicated that he didn't attend the search base at the show grounds. Maybe that part is true. How do we know that he wasn't in touch by phone with people who were at the show grounds at this time or whether there was some other reason for him to not attend there? How do we know that he is not in deep personal grief in the privacy of his home? How do we know that he resisted his cars being forensically tested or resisted searches of his home etc? Where is the evidence for these statements?

My other point is that it is for the judicial system, through the police and courts to pronounce judgement of someone. A person's guilt or innocence shouldn't be decided by public poll. Until the judicial system identifies who the guilty people are, the public's perception should be irrelevant....the public don't have all of the facts. The perpetrators will be answerable to the public at the time a conviction is made. Until then we need to be patient.

Personally I find it a poor reflection on our society if these things are decided by brief media snippets of people combined with tidbits of local gossip. Allison deserves the judicial system to be thorough in ensuring they convict the right person(s). She would want no less. It also goes to say that all of her family including her in-laws deserve respect for her sake, the sake of her daughters and for the sake of all of the family. This is people's lives we are talking about. There is a lot at stake. Yes, I know, an innocent woman has lost her life......but let's make sure we make the right people pay for this horrid crime. There is too much at stake if the wrong people are charged. Imagine the loss to those girls if public opinion swayed and their father was charged and he was in fact innocent after all. Let's honour Allison and her daughters by at least being respectful of all members of her family while we wait for charges to be laid. Obviously when the person is charged they will deservedly face the full force of the law regardless of whether they are family or not.

I can understand why many people have come to the conclusion that they have but I for one don't believe that we have enough facts to pronounce guilt beyond reasonable doubt..........because of course we are rightly not privy to everything that the police know. In the meantime we need to respect people's individual ways of dealing with things. If I was in the situation that this family was in I would want that respect and lack of judgement whilst an investigation was occurring. We live in Australia...a very culturally diverse country. We should be respectful of individual difference. We should also uphold the right to justice and a fair trial too of course. Along with all of this we as Aussies are rightly intolerant of murder and other horrid crimes. However, despite our justified intolerance of such a horrid crime we should not forget our values in regards to justice, a fair trial and respecting individual difference in people's response to situations.

This is all just my opinion as I wait for justice to prevail for Allison and her family.
 
  • #431
My question Sheerluck Holmes is how do you know for fact that all of these statements are true? How does any one of us know how cooperative or not this man has been to the police? People have indicated that he didn't attend the search base at the show grounds. Maybe that part is true. How do we know that he wasn't in touch by phone with people who were at the show grounds at this time or whether there was some other reason for him to not attend there? How do we know that he is not in deep personal grief in the privacy of his home? How do we know that he resisted his cars being forensically tested or resisted searches of his home etc? Where is the evidence for these statements?

My other point is that it is for the judicial system, through the police and courts to pronounce judgement of someone. A person's guilt or innocence shouldn't be decided by public poll. Until the judicial system identifies who the guilty people are, the public's perception should be irrelevant....the public don't have all of the facts. The perpetrators will be answerable to the public at the time a conviction is made. Until then we need to be patient.

Personally I find it a poor reflection on our society if these things are decided by brief media snippets of people combined with tidbits of local gossip. Allison deserves the judicial system to be thorough in ensuring they convict the right person(s). She would want no less. It also goes to say that all of her family including her in-laws deserve respect for her sake, the sake of her daughters and for the sake of all of the family. This is people's lives we are talking about. There is a lot at stake. Yes, I know, an innocent woman has lost her life......but let's make sure we make the right people pay for this horrid crime. There is too much at stake if the wrong people are charged. Imagine the loss to those girls if public opinion swayed and their father was charged and he was in fact innocent after all. Let's honour Allison and her daughters by at least being respectful of all members of her family while we wait for charges to be laid. Obviously when the person is charged they will deservedly face the full force of the law regardless of whether they are family or not.

I can understand why many people have come to the conclusion that they have but I for one don't believe that we have enough facts to pronounce guilt beyond reasonable doubt..........because of course we are rightly not privy to everything that the police know. In the meantime we need to respect people's individual ways of dealing with things. If I was in the situation that this family was in I would want that respect and lack of judgement whilst an investigation was occurring. We live in Australia...a very culturally diverse country. We should be respectful of individual difference. We should also uphold the right to justice and a fair trial too of course. Along with all of this we as Aussies are rightly intolerant of murder and other horrid crimes. However, despite our justified intolerance of such a horrid crime we should not forget our values in regards to justice, a fair trial and respecting individual difference in people's response to situations.

This is all just my opinion as I wait for justice to prevail for Allison and her family.

Well said Seeking
 
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My question Sheerluck Holmes is how do you know for fact that all of these statements are true? How does any one of us know how cooperative or not this man has been to the police? People have indicated that he didn't attend the search base at the show grounds. Maybe that part is true. How do we know that he wasn't in touch by phone with people who were at the show grounds at this time or whether there was some other reason for him to not attend there? How do we know that he is not in deep personal grief in the privacy of his home? How do we know that he resisted his cars being forensically tested or resisted searches of his home etc? Where is the evidence for these statements?

My other point is that it is for the judicial system, through the police and courts to pronounce judgement of someone. A person's guilt or innocence shouldn't be decided by public poll. Until the judicial system identifies who the guilty people are, the public's perception should be irrelevant....the public don't have all of the facts. The perpetrators will be answerable to the public at the time a conviction is made. Until then we need to be patient.

Personally I find it a poor reflection on our society if these things are decided by brief media snippets of people combined with tidbits of local gossip. Allison deserves the judicial system to be thorough in ensuring they convict the right person(s). She would want no less. It also goes to say that all of her family including her in-laws deserve respect for her sake, the sake of her daughters and for the sake of all of the family. This is people's lives we are talking about. There is a lot at stake. Yes, I know, an innocent woman has lost her life......but let's make sure we make the right people pay for this horrid crime. There is too much at stake if the wrong people are charged. Imagine the loss to those girls if public opinion swayed and their father was charged and he was in fact innocent after all. Let's honour Allison and her daughters by at least being respectful of all members of her family while we wait for charges to be laid. Obviously when the person is charged they will deservedly face the full force of the law regardless of whether they are family or not.

I can understand why many people have come to the conclusion that they have but I for one don't believe that we have enough facts to pronounce guilt beyond reasonable doubt..........because of course we are rightly not privy to everything that the police know. In the meantime we need to respect people's individual ways of dealing with things. If I was in the situation that this family was in I would want that respect and lack of judgement whilst an investigation was occurring. We live in Australia...a very culturally diverse country. We should be respectful of individual difference. We should also uphold the right to justice and a fair trial too of course. Along with all of this we as Aussies are rightly intolerant of murder and other horrid crimes. However, despite our justified intolerance of such a horrid crime we should not forget our values in regards to justice, a fair trial and respecting individual difference in people's response to situations.

This is all just my opinion as I wait for justice to prevail for Allison and her family.

totally agree!
 
  • #434
My question Sheerluck Holmes is how do you know for fact that all of these statements are true? How does any one of us know how cooperative or not this man has been to the police? People have indicated that he didn't attend the search base at the show grounds. Maybe that part is true. How do we know that he wasn't in touch by phone with people who were at the show grounds at this time or whether there was some other reason for him to not attend there? How do we know that he is not in deep personal grief in the privacy of his home? How do we know that he resisted his cars being forensically tested or resisted searches of his home etc? Where is the evidence for these statements?

My other point is that it is for the judicial system, through the police and courts to pronounce judgement of someone. A person's guilt or innocence shouldn't be decided by public poll. Until the judicial system identifies who the guilty people are, the public's perception should be irrelevant....the public don't have all of the facts. The perpetrators will be answerable to the public at the time a conviction is made. Until then we need to be patient.

Personally I find it a poor reflection on our society if these things are decided by brief media snippets of people combined with tidbits of local gossip. Allison deserves the judicial system to be thorough in ensuring they convict the right person(s). She would want no less. It also goes to say that all of her family including her in-laws deserve respect for her sake, the sake of her daughters and for the sake of all of the family. This is people's lives we are talking about. There is a lot at stake. Yes, I know, an innocent woman has lost her life......but let's make sure we make the right people pay for this horrid crime. There is too much at stake if the wrong people are charged. Imagine the loss to those girls if public opinion swayed and their father was charged and he was in fact innocent after all. Let's honour Allison and her daughters by at least being respectful of all members of her family while we wait for charges to be laid. Obviously when the person is charged they will deservedly face the full force of the law regardless of whether they are family or not.

I can understand why many people have come to the conclusion that they have but I for one don't believe that we have enough facts to pronounce guilt beyond reasonable doubt..........because of course we are rightly not privy to everything that the police know. In the meantime we need to respect people's individual ways of dealing with things. If I was in the situation that this family was in I would want that respect and lack of judgement whilst an investigation was occurring. We live in Australia...a very culturally diverse country. We should be respectful of individual difference. We should also uphold the right to justice and a fair trial too of course. Along with all of this we as Aussies are rightly intolerant of murder and other horrid crimes. However, despite our justified intolerance of such a horrid crime we should not forget our values in regards to justice, a fair trial and respecting individual difference in people's response to situations.

This is all just my opinion as I wait for justice to prevail for Allison and her family.

Brilliant post - well said
 
  • #435
I just knew someone would clarify what a 'koppers log' was. I have never heard the term but it may be common for all I know. Is it a name for these railings unique to Qld or is it the usual name. I am from Victoria and have no idea what they are called here.

Sorry for the confusion, that's what we called them as teenagers in Canberra (so maybe it's an ACT thing). In fact Koppers might even just be a particular brand of them.

Mind you, I'm pretty convinced that the damage is totally unrelated to Allisons' death. Things just are not going right for this guy :/

...it's all a bit chilly in here tonight...and the drinks appear to be flowing freely.
 
  • #436
Sorry for the confusion, that's what we called them as teenagers in Canberra (so maybe it's an ACT thing). In fact Koppers might even just be a particular brand of them.

Same same in Canberra, W Creek
 
  • #437
Sorry for the confusion, that's what we called them as teenagers in Canberra (so maybe it's an ACT thing). In fact Koppers might even just be a particular brand of them.

Mind you, I'm pretty convinced that the damage is totally unrelated to Allisons' death. Things just are not going right for this guy :/

...it's all a bit chilly in here tonight...and the drinks appear to be flowing freely.

Yes, it is a bit 'chilly' ... as for drinks, I've got my nice hot coffee to keep me company. :)
 
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  • #439
Sorry for the confusion, that's what we called them as teenagers in Canberra (so maybe it's an ACT thing). In fact Koppers might even just be a particular brand of them.

Mind you, I'm pretty convinced that the damage is totally unrelated to Allisons' death. Things just are not going right for this guy :/

...it's all a bit chilly in here tonight...and the drinks appear to be flowing freely.

I have googled Kopper logs and surprise, surprise, (to me), they are supplied by a company called Koppers, a subsiduary of a US firm. I have enclosed a link for anyone's interest. Now I know what koppers logs are. It probably attained the terminology over time and usage, much the same as when some people say "I am going to 'hoover' the carpet", meaning to vacuum the carpet. But the hoover brand of vacuum became so popular that the brand name seemed to replace the chore name. I've noticed this more particularly with people from the UK, where Hoover brand vacuum cleaners must have been very popular.

http://www.koppers.com.au/KW-Logs-and-Building-Poles/default.aspx
 
  • #440
It's such a dreadful scenario for those poor little girls. I can't imagine they would recover from that.

It gets worse. The perps father makes an application in prison for the children to visit him.
It can be daunting for them. To see these childrens reactions can be heartbreaking. Another experience for them.
 
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