Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #18

[squizzey1]

Thanks to whoever posted this

http://masksofsanity.blogspot.com.au/2009/02/stare-of-psychopath-whats-beneath-it.html

It sounds like the psychopath / sociopath would make a great salesman. And could be the reason why we don't take to a lot of salesmen! Just wondering also, does anyone know if many women are socio/psychopaths?

Yes I was married to one, and dont ask me anymore about THAT lol

 

[DunnoZo]

:floorlaugh:

the horse was the person who saw him there and stopped and spoke to him

 

[possumheart]

http://www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Baden-Clay.htm

"Mrs Baden-Clay, 43, was reported missing by her husband Gerard Baden-Clay around 8am on Friday morning."

"Mrs Baden-Clay was last seen by her husband before going to bed."

"Det-Supt Ainsworth said Mr Baden-Clay was the last person to see Mrs Baden-Clay before reporting her missing just after 7.30am on Friday.

"The husband has gone to bed and that was when he last saw her,'' he said.

He ruled out the woman being abducted. Police said they "had some suspicions''."

"Insp Gundry confirmed that when Ms Baden-Clay was declared missing, her car was still on the family property."

"Insp Gundry refused to comment on the suggestion of a disturbance at the home on the night of Ms Baden-Clay's disappearance."

"Mr Baden-Clay is in hospital after reportedly suffering a breakdown."

 

[Nads]

Yes I was married to one, and dont ask me anymore about THAT lol

And me to a narcissistic / aspergers combo type, if there is such a thing?

Poor you with sociopath OH. Chew you up and spit you out by the sounds of it. :anguish:

 

[Bayside]

Thank you Unfolding Truth. I was starting to feel like my post regarding GBC's car being in an accident prior to Allison going missing was being disregarded so quickly, without anyone asking me for further info to back it up.

Firstly, everyone is quite correct to question EVERYTHING that is written on here as rumour unless it is reported by the Detective in charge.

After all I have no way of proving to you guys that my best friend of 30 years works in Taringa and has known GBC and his parents through their work at C21 for a number of years. When my friend and I heard of the Indro crash, I cannot prove to you the discussion we had immediately about 'not again'!? However, I certainly didn't think of jumping on a forum to discuss it.

In fact, it wasn't until the CM did that story on 'GBC silent over how his car got damaged', that I felt compelled to post (and I certainly have not read every post here to remember a discussion around his latest accident).

My friend was not a witness to the crash, but having heard the loud bang, was witness to the aftermath (with a little blue suzuki swift driven by a young lady, not coming off too good either). Without prior knowledge that this event would become a hot topic of conversation weeks later, a date cannot be put on it, but it was definitively in April (most likely very soon before his wife disappearing). The crash happened right outside his offices, and it was clearly his car being driven by him.

I know of other witnesses but they have not even read 1 websleuth post. There are quite a few 'locals', only a small proportion are on here.

Now, there is always the very slim possibility he got it fixed within a week and had another scrape whilst out the night in question and it was in exactly the same spot, but I still stick to my 99.9% sure the damage is from this accident.

It appears from the aftermath that GBC was trying to turn right off of the Moggill Road and ran into the back of the Suzuki swift as he did so. I have attached a map. The star is where GBCs car was and the hexagon is the little Swift. I hope this clarifies.

Thanks for taking the time to go into such detail and post it here.

 

[Kimster]

:nono: We aren't in the chat room!

 

[squizzey1]

:nono: We aren't in the chat room!

Sorry Kimster if you are referring to me. was trying to put a bit of humour in. will refrain from chat type stuff

 

[Kimster]

It was more than just one member off topic, but thank you !

 

[Mothergoose]

Should I state the obvious and say that when you eliminate rumor, speculation and hearsay from this forum (and I must say well done!!)and ask only for verified fact and truth (the facts and truth will not be known until this matter goes before a court) that the discussion is over until the next media report. I must say I did learn a lot about Koppers logs though. Moo

 

[Fuskier]

There is an interesting comment on 'aussie criminals and crooks' site by REDBACK1

https://sites.google.com/site/abcwhydidithappen/

He has done a photo analysis of where the body was found. If you draw a line between the two right side pylons, it will be clear that the body fell right on this line. Is this proof that she was thrown over or pushed through the side of the bridge on the Brisbane river side?

Is this the angle that the photo was taken in this shot? In other photos it seems that the body is a little more under the bridge.

 

[possumheart]

There is an interesting comment on 'aussie criminals and crooks' site by REDBACK1

https://sites.google.com/site/abcwhydidithappen/

He has done a photo analysis of where the body was found. If you draw a line between the two right side pylons, it will be clear that the body fell right on this line. Is this proof that she was thrown over or pushed through the side of the bridge on the Brisbane river side?

Is this the angle that the photo was taken in this shot? In other photos it seems that the body is a little more under the bridge.

http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/ne...y-3287159.html

(From 40 seconds onwards) I used this video as reference before I went to the site. It is much better because you see it in context with the bridge. I posted some photos yesterday of the slope, thread 18 post 136.

 

[Mani]

Thanks, CC. That's where I'm confused. Hawkins mentioned fluorescent powder is used often on metals not dark powder, plus no one actually queried fingerprint powder until after Hawkin's comment. Unless it was in the post that mum73 later said was strangely deleted from the thread (?).

After your comment above, I searched this thread and the last thread for any mention of "bonnet" or "fingerprint". I could still have missed something, so sorry if I have

Originally Posted by Mani
I thought fingerprint dust was much darker/black?

Originally posted by Mum73

I may be wrong, but the marks I am referring to do appear to be quite dark (above the light).

Here's some interesting links:

"my car was fingerprinted by the police because it was parked next to a "crime scene" and now i cant get the stuff off..."

http://www.bmwland.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=564454

In the 8th photo down, the markings appear quite similar

http://www.excitementcarmagazine.com...pps-black-swan

GA it was me querying the colour of fingerprint dust and here is Mum73's reply.

 

[Agent_99]

Yes I read that too....doesn't mean it's fact. What seems very odd to me is, this forum has been running for almost 7weeks now, there's been posts from umpty eleventy locals & not one has mentioned a word about the condition of GBC's Prado PRIOR to Allison's disappearance. One would think, even more so, after the "infamous car crash", that there would have been at least one local mentioning it especially as it looks to be fairly significant damage.

Then all of a sudden, out of the blue, after the photos of the damage are released, someone turns up & says oh yeah that all happened before Allison's disappearance...nup I'll wait till we hear more from Inspector Ainsworth.

It has been mentioned that the Prado was Allison's car not GBC's.
"Caviar" mentions GBC had a car accident outside C21 Taringa but no mention of which car this occurred in. He may very well have had this accident - in his car...the Captiva.

 

[Mani]

Thank you Unfolding Truth. I was starting to feel like my post regarding GBC's car being in an accident prior to Allison going missing was being disregarded so quickly, without anyone asking me for further info to back it up.

Firstly, everyone is quite correct to question EVERYTHING that is written on here as rumour unless it is reported by the Detective in charge.

After all I have no way of proving to you guys that my best friend of 30 years works in Taringa and has known GBC and his parents through their work at C21 for a number of years. When my friend and I heard of the Indro crash, I cannot prove to you the discussion we had immediately about 'not again'!? However, I certainly didn't think of jumping on a forum to discuss it.

In fact, it wasn't until the CM did that story on 'GBC silent over how his car got damaged', that I felt compelled to post (and I certainly have not read every post here to remember a discussion around his latest accident).

My friend was not a witness to the crash, but having heard the loud bang, was witness to the aftermath (with a little blue suzuki swift driven by a young lady, not coming off too good either). Without prior knowledge that this event would become a hot topic of conversation weeks later, a date cannot be put on it, but it was definitively in April (most likely very soon before his wife disappearing). The crash happened right outside his offices, and it was clearly his car being driven by him.

I know of other witnesses but they have not even read 1 websleuth post. There are quite a few 'locals', only a small proportion are on here.

Now, there is always the very slim possibility he got it fixed within a week and had another scrape whilst out the night in question and it was in exactly the same spot, but I still stick to my 99.9% sure the damage is from this accident.

It appears from the aftermath that GBC was trying to turn right off of the Moggill Road and ran into the back of the Suzuki swift as he did so. I have attached a map. The star is where GBCs car was and the hexagon is the little Swift. I hope this clarifies.

Thank you Caviar for explaining this.

 

[whatif?]

I've always thought this too Mani. It just doesn't make any sense. As you say - why would he not drive his car? And if he didn't want to drive, why would GBC not just pick him up in Durness St, which is much more discreet than the roundabout and relatively close?

I was thinking that the only reason he might wait at the bus shelter is if, eg, he had been out drinking/at the pub/out somewhere that night when GBC called him, so he got a taxi to the roundabout so he was at an easy spot to be picked up (and maybe didn't want his wife to know at that point) - but really this is all a bit far-fetched and I find it very difficult to believe.

I think they didn't want any vehicle movement noted by the neighbours so NBC walked to the roundabout to wait for GBC to pick him up. IMO

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

It has been mentioned that the Prado was Allison's car not GBC's.
"Caviar" mentions GBC had a car accident outside C21 Taringa but no mention of which car this occurred in. He may very well have had this accident - in his car...the Captiva.

I thought they did mention a night or two back. Not sure. Eitherway, I think thats what they were meaning... otherwise would mean the Captiva was also dented..in which case, boy is there bad driving history lol JMO

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

I think they didn't want any vehicle movement noted by the neighbours so NBC walked to the roundabout to wait for GBC to pick him up. IMO

But wouldn't an Older man walking the streets and sitting at a bus shelter in the middle of the night be noted by people? I guess theres no car make or model or numberplates to refer to..but still.. JMO

 

[rhb]

The only verified insiders we have for Allison's case are Itsthevibe and Squizzey1. The Dark Shadow is a verified professional.

Dumb question but what is considered an "insider" in instances like this? Is this someone who can verify they have family that are working on the case or...??? Just wondering.

 

[Mani]

But wouldn't an Older man walking the streets and sitting at a bus shelter in the middle of the night be noted by people? I guess theres no car make or model or numberplates to refer to..but still.. JMO

I think Whatif has made a good point that is a possiblity UT. If you didn't want to use your own car and you wanted to be picked up late at night, what would look more suspicious to someone driving by - sitting at a bus stop or waiting in a sidestreet?

Whatif, if the story about the man at the bus-stop is related to this case, you have given me food for thought about why he chose to sit at the bus-stop.
Thank you.

Note to original post - UT, I wish the Net had tone! lol - Big hugs to you - unfortunately we are not able to hear the other person's tone (of voice). I posted on here earlier today that I thought the story was BS but.........
reading Whatif?'s post has resonated and I can now see that the sitting at a bus stop is a possibility. Cheers. I hope that makes sense.

 

[Mothergoose]

Good question rhb ..have wondered that myself.