Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 #19

[linette]

Critical words being friends of HUSBAND !!

First thing I noticed.

 

[Blue Bottle]

Mrs Baden-Clay's bubbly nature might have been masking depression, friends of her husband revealed in the 11 days before her body was found.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tr...ppen-to-the-good/story-fnat7jnn-1226353374332

Double bummer... That's a bugger..... I can't read that article because it's in the Herald Sun True Crime Scene section and seems you need a User log in to read it and other articles there. I might just have to try to source that article elsewhere.

 

[itsthevibe]

If I was good hearted kind of gal, ready to see the best in everyone, I would say that Olivia mentioning Allisons depression was to give us all a bit of a heads up that this whole search and rescue panoply was most likely not going to end up a happy event.. we should prepare ourselves for the inevitable discovery of poor Allison having thrown herself off the nearest bridge, or in her amazing way, buried her own self whilst dead under a sandbank, or perhaps,... perhaps... never being found again..

Preparing everyone for the most likely outcome, and he, Gerard, the bereaved , tired, been thru the wringer, only a little bit hurt, speechless, grieving widower, luckily with an upright sister to assist and help in any way possible, and..


oh yea.. sure..

Your brilliance knows no bounds! Keep up the incisive but insanely witty posts, they make my time here so much happier. (and of course it's all about me!)

 

[Greg]

Double bummer... That's a bugger..... I can't read that article because it's in the Herald Sun True Crime Scene section and seems you need a User log in to read it and other articles there. I might just have to try to source that article elsewhere.

Strange the whole article came up the first time I clicked the link...must be a sucker to get you to subscribe the second time I guess...soz

 

[Nads]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...allisons-in-laws/story-e6freoof-1226390060831

News!

Edit.
All the CM does is make up articles from what's on WS anyway!!

 

[CIB]

New article http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...allisons-in-laws/story-e6freoof-1226390060831

 

[Rational]

Just in the Sunday Mail Supt Det Mark Ainsworth says 'The investigation is progressing and we are confident of a resolution'.
Also more about OW husband and his Facebook address about six weeks ago saying that it was a collective decision by the family to remain silent and slamming the public fora.
Sorry cannot link, should be up on CM website soon.

 

[CIB]

My favourite line?

" Detective Superintendent Mark Ainsworth yesterday said: "The investigation is progressing and we are confident of a resolution." "

 

[possumheart]

Ooooh pooing themselves

 

[Berry]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...allisons-in-laws/story-e6freoof-1226390060831

News!

Edit.
All the CM does is make up articles from what's on WS anyway!!

I like the reminder of this bit......

"I warn you that there may be more and worse to come."
Mr Walton - who is married to Mr Baden-Clay's sister, Olivia - also told how the family had made a collective decision to remain quiet.

 

[Rational]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...allisons-in-laws/story-e6freoof-1226390060831

News!

Edit.
All the CM does is make up articles from what's on WS anyway!!

Thanks Nads (you could almost be Ms Sandy :fence

 

[possumheart]

Ooooh pooing themselves

in slow motion

 

[itsthevibe]

My point was only that OW is reported as having said at one point after the disappearance that ABC seemed fine on the phone the night before, and at another point that she was depressed (or suffering from depression). Point being that these statements are slightly inconsistent (while not mutually exclusive - i.e you can have up days when suffering depression, or down days (reactive depression) when not clinically depressed). I am merely curious at the inconsistency. It may be entirely innocent, but it has crossed my mind whether it (depression) was suggested to OW later, or that the suggestion took some time to sink in, and that MAYBE OW's statements ("she was depressed", "Gerard loves Allison") were in actual fact those of an innocent, ignorant's woman's (understandable) attempt to convince herself of what her family had suggested to her/deny what others in her family may have done. Am I making sense to anyone? ANYONE?

Absolutely! You have basically answered your own question, in a couple of different and very plausible ways. I think personally that the statement about Gerard loving Allison was her way of convincing herself, and the mention of depression was what was told to her - which is why it conflicts with her own more spontaneous account of Allison being bubbly and delightful or whatever she said. Right from the start I saw that interview with OW as being a sign of her being very worried about what might be the real truth, and hoping and trying to make it not be so.

I love your posts clara123, they're excellent.

 

[Rational]

in slow motion

:floorlaughleeeeese Possum too graphic!!!!

 

[marlywings]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...allisons-in-laws/story-e6freoof-1226390060831

News!

Edit.
All the CM does is make up articles from what's on WS anyway!!

The bit that matters...

Detective Superintendent Mark Ainsworth yesterday said: "The investigation is progressing and we are confident of a resolution."

 

[Blue Bottle]

I just think the perps had a "storyline" concocted in their minds, to make it all look like suicide, once the deed was done by the main perp. And they planted the seeds of suicide. I realise nobody fell for it, least of all the police. Perhaps they still will get off with reasonable doubt. But something must have happened with the car to stuff up their plans.

Weird that.. I get it now and see what you're getting at..... Never have I once thought, until this thread, that anyone was (subliminally) suggesting Allison was possibly suicidal because she suffered from depression.

The word depression seems so commonly used nowadays and so many people claim to suffer from it to various degrees that mostly it implies a particular state of mind and not that the person is suicidal. Everyday stuff... I hear it heaps, for example, a mate saying I'm depressed because, the kids drove me nuts - it's too cold and miserable lately - my dog died - I don't feel well and so on. It's a very broadly used word in my opinion.

I see that being depressed and being suicidal as being miles apart, other than one can lead into the other...

 

[Mothergoose]

Aside from what Kimster has said, I believe that even if Allison has had an affair, it is irrelevant. The reason being, as others have pointed out, all of the police activity is focussed around the Baden-Clays and the mistress. If Allison had an affair the police would know about it, and have apparently had no interest in it - or most likely, there was no affair.

And I disagree strongly with your statement "there are some very strong opinions here based on speculation (enhancing fact) that make especially one person (and others to a lesser degree)appear guilty.It would be senseless for them to come on here to defend themselves so (if, if, if they are innocent) are they not victims too?" It is absolutely not the speculation that makes those people seem guilty - it is the facts so far. All of the facts point to them - the Baden-Clays, and TM, and particularly Gerard. There have been no facts reported that don't point to them, and possibly only a very few that point to them, that might also point to other unknown people. So no, the GBC's aren't victims, other than victims of their own making.

I do, however respect your right to disagree with the police. If you believe the majority of police activity that has been reported has been misguided, and if that turns out to be the case, then perhaps what you say is correct.

If the facts presented on here "Make THEM guilty" then they should be arrested. I have never ever said I DISAGREE with the police, (please don't speak for me).I NEVER EVER said that "The Majority of police activity that has been reported has been misguided" WOW As I see it you have misread my :whatost and mis-quoted me and definitely do not respect my right to present an alternate view. Not necessarily what I believe is the case but an alternate view. I have also never said she had an affair.I suggested she may have had a a male friend to confide in. I am married and have male friends but would never have an affair. If I was a victim of DV they would help me I'm sure but could also cause added anger to the situation if my partner objected etc....

 

[Greg]

Absolutely! You have basically answered your own question, in a couple of different and very plausible ways. I think personally that the statement about Gerard loving Allison was her way of convincing herself, and the mention of depression was what was told to her - which is why it conflicts with her own more spontaneous account of Allison being bubbly and delightful or whatever she said. Right from the start I saw that interview with OW as being a sign of her being very worried about what might be the real truth, and hoping and trying to make it not be so.

I love your posts clara123, they're excellent.

Apply the blowtorch and the Townsville connection will crack....maybe not intentionally to dump on a family member but crack they will....especially if visits from local D's are in full view of the flock so to say....

 

[Keentoknow]

I think it could be both...for all the reasons you've stated...a crime of passion...kills her. As I've said in the past if after he's killed her he calls ambulance...there'd be an investigation & he'd be up for manslaughter.

By getting rid of the body....making it appear a suicide. His chance at freedom is a fancy pants barrister & a criminal lawyer if the body was ever found...which it was.

Marly could you imagine trying to carrry her after she died. Especially downhill and in the long grass. And the panic that they would have caused themselves.
Never mind they have more panic coming soon. If they like to be aggressive well they are sure going to an aggressive environment when they are convicted.

 

[Rational]

If the facts presented on here "Make THEM guilty" then they should be arrested. I have never ever said I DISAGREE with the police, (please don't speak for me).I NEVER EVER said that "The Majority of police activity that has been reported has been misguided" WOW As I see it you have misread my :whatost and mis-quoted me and definitely do not respect my right to present an alternate view. Not necessarily what I believe is the case but an alternate view.

What do you think is the case if it is not your alternative view??