Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #2

[Maverick.au]

Just wondering away here. Might be completely off track. But wonder if police received a distress call from ABC that night ? Maybe a call which was interrupted, even

If so, it would explain their rapid response to claims she'd gone missing

If the phone was ripped from ABC's hands mid-dial, for instance, it might explain why reports a few days ago stated police were concentrating searches in a very specific location. That location, according to the media, involved 'the two neighbours' (either side, I'm guessing) and the BC's own property

Did she try to call for help and was the phone ripped from her hands and tossed out of a window?

It's not that fanciful. I've seen men tear the phone from women's hands when the woman sought outside help. Have seen men tear car keys from women's hands too - to prevent them (and kids) from escaping

That doesn't make any sense, if she had made a call to 000 and it was connected and she was cut off the call would have been followed up on. The reason for the search was because of the the responding officers observations on Friday morning.

The reason they were concentrating their search in that area is because they had further information on the location of the phone from the telco.

 

[Maverick.au]

It could also just be the implausibility of his story -- she went walking at 10pm and I just went to bed and only noticed she wasn't there at 7:30 -- and the way he told it. I think most people would agree that the only time he spoke to the press he was pretty unimpressive. I'm not saying the police didn't pick up on something else at the time.

She didn't go walking at 10pm, he never said this and it's the media that reported on this incorrectly.

He went to bed at 10pm and she was still up watching the footy show - this has been is story since day 1.

 

[marlywings]

I'm not saying the police didn't pick up on something else at the time.

Whatever it was they picked up on it very quickly. Interesting reading back on one of the very early reports....

April 21,

Police regional crime co-ordinator metro north Mark Ainsworth told the Sunday Mail that Mrs Baden-Clay was, at this stage, considered a missing person.


But the home of the Baden-Clay's at 593 Brookfield Road, Brookfield, has been locked down as a crime scene by Police.


"We have the house locked down as a crime scene and we are doing a full examination of the area and there is a crime scene warrant," he said


http://m.news.com.au/QLD/pg/0/fi1171444.htm

 

[laserdisc10]

Now I want to go and search for the phone too..... :banghead:

Investigators may well have it in their possession, never know. The sim card discovered by searchers may have been a ruse to focus the public's mind (and maybe the killer's mind) elsewhere

But knowing what men in a rage are likely to do when the women and children under their control seek to escape the situation, is why I said a few days ago that I hoped her hands would be scrutinized for signs of the damage typical of a woman who may have desperately tried to keep hold of her keys and phone. Unfortunately, the extremes to which ABC's remains were subjected by the elements may conceal that sort of evidence. Hope not

A woman will struggle to retain her car keys, her phone and her purse. They mean escape, help and survival

 

[Stick]

Any person here with access to real estate databases could easily verify this.

I have access, and no, it is not owned by the parents.

 

[willough]

If a distressed call was placed earlier, wouldn't the police attend immediately after tracing it, i.e. in the middle of the night or the evening before? All points to the police only attending after she was reported missing. The phone (if not reset and erased) would also contain txt and calls made in the days prior to these developments. The husband's fingerprints on it would not prove anything.

I said the murderers prints. That may be Gerard's or someone elses. I was under the impression there is new overlay technology regarding finger printing. Which shows the more prevalent as the top layer and most likely the most recent person to hold it.

As for the police not attending, I dont think the police check out every call made to triple 000, especially if info hasnt been given (I know my cheeky children called triple 000 once....I was wild and concerned the police would come.....noone came). She may not have even got to the police aspect of 000. Here in vic, they say "Police, Fire or Ambulance".........then move the call on.

 

[laserdisc10]

If a distressed call was placed earlier, wouldn't the police attend immediately after tracing it, i.e. in the middle of the night or the evening before? All points to the police only attending after she was reported missing. The phone (if not reset and erased) would also contain txt and calls made in the days prior to these developments. The husband's fingerprints on it would not prove anything.

Who knows?

But there are numerous cases where women who'd placed AVOs on their partners and who subsequently phoned police and even attended the police in person (to report further violence, threats, etc.) were murdered -- because police did not follow up. So those women's headstones stand in testimony to less than vigorous police compliance with procedure

 

[marlywings]

She didn't go walking at 10pm, he never said this and it's the media that reported on this incorrectly.

He went to bed at 10pm and she was still up watching the footy show - this has been is story since day 1.

Yes..."his story". Coming from one who's been cheating on his wife for however long,.... etc etc etc....I don't believe "his story" at all!!!

 

[Hillsdon]

What prompted police to act so quickly in this case? I understand the urgency when children are missing, but an adult woman? Why was this case different? Had anyone else reported domestic violence in this household in the past? Was there a record with the police? The urgency with which police acted is strange! Previous reports of an AVO would explain this, however why was he then living in the house again? Or was he living somewhere else (parents) and was not supposed to be there that night?

I agree, the police must have a) already had record of previous domestic V reports b) Seen something in the house that was alarming c) took one look at him and were concerned for her safety.

Local gossip suggests that he hadnt been living at the family home 100% of the time.

 

[laserdisc10]

=willough;7866318]I said the murderers prints. That may be Gerard's or someone elses. I was under the impression there is new overlay technology regarding finger printing. Which shows the more prevalent as the top layer and most likely the most recent person to hold it.

As for the police not attending, I dont think the police check out every call made to triple 000, especially if info hasnt been given (I know my cheeky children called triple 000 once....I was wild and concerned the police would come.....noone came). She may not have even got to the police aspect of 000. Here in vic, they say "Police, Fire or Ambulance".........then move the call on.

:goodpost:

 

[Maverick.au]

Yes..."his story". Coming from one who's been cheating on his wife for however long,.... etc etc etc....I don't believe "his story" at all!!!

That's not the point I'm making, I was responding to the false information about him saying she went for a walk at 10pm - this NEVER occurred. His story has always been that he went to bed at 10pm and she was still up watching tv. It's irrelevant if people believe that or not because it's what he said.

 

[laserdisc10]

That's not the point I'm making, I was responding to the false information about him saying she went for a walk at 10pm - this NEVER occurred. His story has always been that he went to bed at 10pm and she was still up watching tv. It's irrelevant if people believe that or not because it's what he said.

Well let's put it this way --- I wouldn't buy a place from him, no matter what 'he said'

 

[Maverick.au]

Who knows?

But there are numerous cases where women who'd placed AVOs on their partners and who subsequently phoned police and even attended the police in person (to report further violence, threats, etc.) were murdered -- because police did not follow up. So those women's headstones stand in testimony to less than vigorous police compliance with procedure

And there have been plenty of cases where a partner has murdered another partner and that victim has had dozens of opportunities to press charges but each time fails to do so. Each time the police attend a domestic violence situation they have to fill in 8+ hours of paperwork to numerous organisations. Perhaps if those victims would press charges police would have more time to follow up on AVOs instead of doing paperwork.

 

[willough]

Another thought.....If she was calling police regularly already. I know a girl who has a restraining order on someone...........and boy, she has burnt her bridge with the police. Constantly calling them as soon as she hears a minor noise outside. She is freaked.................but has cried wolf so much, that now when he actually came to the door, they took forever to come....Sadly, we dont know such intricacies and the tidings of the Baden-Clay scenario.

 

[marlywings]

That's not the point I'm making, I was responding to the false information about him saying she went for a walk at 10pm - this NEVER occurred. His story has always been that he went to bed at 10pm and she was still up watching tv. It's irrelevant if people believe that or not because it's what he said.

Yes I realised the point you were making re the earlier "false" information. But I'd say that "went to bed at 10pm" is very relevant to police, who I would say don't believe it either. Here's hoping they crack that statement & soon.

 

[willough]

And there have been plenty of cases where a partner has murdered another partner and that victim has had dozens of opportunities to press charges but each time fails to do so. Each time the police attend a domestic violence situation they have to fill in 8+ hours of paperwork to numerous organisations. Perhaps if those victims would press charges police would have more time to follow up on AVOs instead of doing paperwork.

So true Mav.....and after filling in that paperwork, the person then is convinced by the perpetrator to drop the charges......and all that paperwork (and yep, there is alot of it) goes to waste.

 

[marlywings]

Well let's put it this way --- I wouldn't buy a place from him, no matter what 'he said'

Definitely with you on that one laser!!

 

[CaseClosed]

I said the murderers prints. That may be Gerard's or someone elses. I was under the impression there is new overlay technology regarding finger printing. Which shows the more prevalent as the top layer and most likely the most recent person to hold it.

As for the police not attending, I dont think the police check out every call made to triple 000, especially if info hasnt been given (I know my cheeky children called triple 000 once....I was wild and concerned the police would come.....noone came). She may not have even got to the police aspect of 000. Here in vic, they say "Police, Fire or Ambulance".........then move the call on.

From a mobile is 112, but I don't know what the response procedure is. I personally don't think there is another person involved, hence my comment regarding the husband's fingerprints on her mobile.

 

[marlywings]

How often do we hear of wives/girlfriends taking out an AVO on their husbands/partners, time goes by & they allow that husband/partner back to the home again. "He's a changed man"...till the next time the violence starts.

 

[Keyboredom]

Sorry, I don't mean to be pissy here, of all places, but I know you have expressed appreciation for the facts here. Come stand by the heartbreaking floral tributes on her fence and see.

While looking directly at the floral tributes, turn 180 degrees, and you should be looking at the house on the corner of Boscome and Brookfield Road, and the Rural Fire Brigade and gates to the Showground on the right. If you're not, you're attending the wrong address. The point being made was there would be no need to DRIVE to the Showgrounds for anything, because that was the question asked. Within the space of a few metres, what I stated was accurate, so unless you feel the additional distance you're calculating would cause a person to get in their car and drive to the showgrounds, maybe we can stay focussed on the issue at hand.