Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #3

[spratsmum]

I think the new details are very interesting. I think it is quite possible the girls had two sleepovers, and perhaps the Thursday night one was to help ABC and GBC with the next mornings routine.

Perhaps also ABC didn't expect her husband home that night, perhaps he hadn't been home on other nights. Perhaps if they were at the Brookfield State School Cross Country on the Thursday, perhaps it all got too much and Gerard had a few too many drinks and then went to the house to try some reconciliation and perhaps Allison won't talk about it , he doesn't seem like the type of man to like being ignored.

If Allison was going to the trouble of having "do" for the next day (mine never looks the same after being slept on) planning something like a sleepover at Grandmas so she had the morning to her self is not far fetched.

Re the money from the former business associates - the information seems to be that they left the business one day and next day lent him $300000. I wonder if this money was the proceeds from their share of the business and if the money wasn't so much borrowed as not paid out.

 

[Limaes]

Mrs Baden-Clay's best friend, Kerry-Anne Walker, has helped the Dickies in their ordeal and was at the search site every day. She was one of the last to have contact with Mrs Baden-Clay, texting her on the night she disappeared about her plans for the following day.

"That Friday was a busy day for her. She had a full-day conference in town and the kids were having a sleepover that night, so she would have got all her stuff ready," Mrs Walker said.

"I had texted her that day, the Thursday, and she texted me back that night saying she'd drop around on her way home from this conference

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/grief-for-lost-daughter/story-e6freoof-1226346302840

Yes, I took this to mean that the kids' sleepover was that night (Thursday) so she would have had a night off to get her stuff ready for the busy day (Friday). jmo

 

[bearbear]

I was in the understanding the children were staying overnight on the friday night????

i thought that too, but after reading her friends quote again, it could have been thursday night.

 

[Willowwind]

this is my biggest fear that he gets off

7. You comments are assuming I have concluded who did this. Once the circumstances of the 12 hour gap between ABC arriving home and the missing persons call the next morning then and only then some certainty can be assumed... Not presumed....until a court hearing decides the fate.

 

[PolyDot]

Thanks for that..interesting about the girls school across the road....?? The cross country on Thursday is interesting as well...Keeping up appearances would be hard if you were pre meditating your wifes murder...IMO.

I wonder if they were overly friendly with each other??

Brookies comment about tueday questioning by Police to Salon was also interesting because they must suspect that she has cuts or bruises prioe to her death OR that GBC has told them that she had a fall or some sort of incident previous to her death?? Otherwise why would they ask that?

Brookie.......Is your friend a reliable source...Did your friend mention anthing else that the Police were interested in knowing?

Also, Getting back to the mistress, she woud of been at one time quite friendly with Allison and would share alot of the same friends or aquaintences considering she worked for Allison. I have seen quite a few pics on the net of C21 westside at various conferences and awards nights so they would of mingled together...This would of been quite hard on staff in this office and perhaps the people in the loop (RE: Affair) were chastised quite firmly by ABC for not telling her and maybe terminated....This may have been the start of the business' problem's because rumour and innuendo and angry employees can be detrimental to a business..Lets face it MUD STICKS and given that GBC was well known in the social circles I would find it hard to believe that people started disassociating themselves from him......

Maybe he was angry that ABC was trying to move forward and build another career and was not interested in helping him fix the problems he has created all on his own......From all reports it was ABC who was the brain in this duo....Why would you help someone who had humiliated and betrayed you??

I know I am rambling but I am really just stumped at what the motive could be?

It will be interesting when it all comes out......I wouyld ike to hear more from the best friend...You know what us women get like with our BFF and a Bottle of Bubbles....!! Kerry Anne Walker my sympathies to you as well.....I could never imagine how I could live with out my Best Friend...She is the one that you trust with your heart and your secrets, the one you laugh and cry with.....What a very sad state of affairs!

MOTIVE = violent controlling man - killed her as result of argument - could have been anything such as

• money problems[isnt thatt what lots argue about]
• family - his hers children
• dinner not ready
• her arguing back
• her 'nagging ' /pressuring him
• who knows but he got angry and killed her - maybe he didn't mean to kill her
• maybe he had strangled her before

I dont care what is motive is because it will just try and cover up/lie/blame her and basically not take responsibility for his actions.

 

[CaseClosed]

HI, I've been lurking on this thread fascinated by this case.

Just wondering, was the body found on the upstream or downstream side of the bridge?

From what I observed in the photo posted yesterday/last night, she was underneath the bridge, closer to the side where there are big elevated water pipes (ducts), but I don't know if that side is up or downstream.

 

[pinhead]

I dont understand how GBC supposedly told the girls something unusual about their mother, when they weren't at the house with him?

Yes, I had not heard that the kids wern't home thursday night ever, and was sure they were there in the morning from reports about what GBC told them.

 

[PolyDot]

7. You comments are assuming I have concluded who did this. Once the circumstances of the 12 hour gap between ABC arriving home and the missing persons call the next morning then and only then some certainty can be assumed... Not presumed....until a court hearing decides the fate.

Yes I take your point
However I think it is likely her did it ,
it may be likely that they do not have enough to charge him
and i think it is even less likely that he will be charged - man + $ + good barrister

 

[bearbear]

Yes, I had not heard that the kids wern't home thursday night ever, and was sure they were there in the morning from reports about what GBC told them.

he probably picked them up from his parents to get them ready for school, they probably asked him wheres mummy?

 

[possumheart]

I just found myself in prayer. I am not religious. I prayed that the prosecutors have enough resourcing to process all of the information. I have been a victim and the prosecution was sadly underresourced against some cocksure barristers.

 

[JK673]

Agree with you it is much more likely that her best friend has got it right as reported in media .. that abc was planning the kids sleepover on friday night..
more likely that - with al respects - soemone who heard it from her hairdresser saying the sleepover was thursday night ..

kids dont usually sleepover during school week

The way the quote is from the best friend (rather than the chinese whispers here - it has been contorted I think with so many people talking about it) is what I read (in the newspaper) into as being that they were not at home that night. As a working mother myself I do have my parents look after my kids if I have a very early start and they take them to school.

The hearsay of the hairdresser's recall does make sense - but by this stage most people here made up their mind that the kids were at home - you cannot do that when it is hearsay - that is why the police have to keep an open mind to everything.

 

[True]

I also spent a little time thinking about WHY she would be left like that.

I'm no good at sleuthing but I consider myself to be better at the psychology part.

If a killer knows their victim, they are more likely to bury the victim underground, way out of site and in a place difficult to get to. Serial killers, organized, or disorganized tend to discard their victims without much thought to covering up. They have no ties to the victim so they don't care.

Therefor if someone was trying to make it look like some deranged killer picked her up and dispose of they body, they would probably leave it out in the open, but hidden enough to hope it got deteriorated to hinder forensics.

If the search party stumbled upon disturbed ground which proved to be a grave, or dogs sniffed out a grave, it would be very obvious that someone she knew killed her. You think about it, if it were you driving around trying to work out what to do.a

 

[Berry]

ODD ANSWERS GBC COULD HAVE SAID (to children):

-she went mad and I shot her..and laugh

-up the creek with no paddle

-went out and got lost

-died and went to haeven...and laugh

I know they are all horrid, but shock can make one say some funny things to stop a child that keeps asking why, why, why.

 

[CaseClosed]

The way the quote is from the best friend (rather than the chinese whispers here - it has been contorted I think with so many people talking about it) is what I read (in the newspaper) into as being that they were not at home that night. As a working mother myself I do have my parents look after my kids if I have a very early start and they take them to school.

The hearsay of the hairdresser's recall does make sense - but by this stage most people here made up their mind that the kids were at home - you cannot do that when it is hearsay - that is why the police have to keep an open mind to everything. A lot of you aren't

For me it's pretty difficult to keep an open mind when everything indicated by the police is pointing at one person only, who has NOT been excluded as a possible culprit. I wish there were more indications that there could be another person responsible for this, but in my view, there is not (at this stage at least).

 

[possumheart]

ODD ANSWERS GBC COULD HAVE SAID (to children):

-she went mad and I shot her..and laugh

-up the creek with no paddle

-went out and got lost

-died and went to haeven...and laugh

I know they are all horrid, but shock can make one say some funny things to stop a child that keeps asking why, why, why.

- playing hide & seek. : (

 

[marlywings]

I don't remember reading any media reports where it was stated that "GBC said he put the kids to bed" or that "they were in bed".

From what I remember there was no mention of the kids at all.

Anyone have a link where it states they were there??

 

[Cccclllaareb]

The way the quote is from the best friend (rather than the chinese whispers here - it has been contorted I think with so many people talking about it) is what I read (in the newspaper) into as being that they were not at home that night. As a working mother myself I do have my parents look after my kids if I have a very early start and they take them to school.

The hearsay of the hairdresser's recall does make sense - but by this stage most people here made up their mind that the kids were at home - you cannot do that when it is hearsay - that is why the police have to keep an open mind to everything.

The way the direct quote is from the friend I still take her to mean the kids were having a sleepover on Friday. Now that I have read it over and over I think it could be interpreted either way and is another reminder that we need to keep an open mind.

 

[Cccclllaareb]

I don't remember reading any media reports where it was stated that "GBC said he put the kids to bed" or that "they were in bed".

From what I remember there was no mention of the kids at all.

Anyone have a link where it states they were there??

I read an article that ABC tucked the girls into bed, and I am still looking for the link for everyone.

 

[JK673]

For me it's pretty difficult to keep an open mind when everything indicated by the police is pointing at one person only, who has NOT been excluded as a possible culprit. I wish there were more indications that there could be another person responsible for this, but in my view, there is not (at this stage at least).

Sorry I meant an open mind as to what occurred as well as who did it. But the cops do need to take into account any possible suspect even if they have a good idea who did it. It just makes it easier to prove the prime suspect did it and gives the defence no way to say that the cops had a witchhunt.

That is why an open mind to who killed her is absolutely essential as they have to rule out all other possibilities for a concrete case against the killer. With the defence barrister he has - you would want to make sure everything is done perfectly and nothing is stuffed up.

 

[Thinking]

he probably picked them up from his parents to get them ready for school, they probably asked him wheres mummy?

Yes - although now that I think of it, didn't his sister take them to school that day (apparently)?