Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #3

[Thinking]

With suffocation they can trace what kind of pillow was used by checking her airways for fibres. From there they would likely be able to check if these pillows were kept in the home (I don't know about other people but my pillows are all the same brand). Then they could test those pillows to find which one was used to suffocate, check fingerprints, etc.

I've just realised that they haven't mentioned that they are looking for a murder weapon. So my guess would be that it was something that was done without a weapon. My guess is that drugging, strangulation and suffocation are the likely causes. Unless I've missed something.

That is a very good point about lack of search for a murder weapon (not reported anyway). I agree with your possibilities - also, my initial thoughts right at the start were that he perhaps pushed her and she hit her head on the concrete (this can be lethal if unlucky) or hit her head on the edge of a coffee table/furniture. To be honest he just doesn't strike me as a violent guy, which is why I guessed these scenarios, but I am not an expert, I don't know him and impressions can be deceiving.

If it was an accident such as I've suggested though, I just can't fathom why he wouldn't just call an ambulance though. Why try to cover it up?

 

[Couldbe]

Lots to become confused about - even the Media reporting is quite different:-

Sorry about link, try this one:
See link: http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...usiness-suffered/story-e6freoof-1226344121450
which says:
'Days before Christmas, Mr Baden-Clay took out a $300,000 loan for one of his companies from two partners who exited the business the same day.

A former colleague said the venture "should have worked and it could have worked, but it didn't''.

"There was a dramatic decline ... the market caused some financial issues as well,'' the former colleague said.'

 

[Willowwind]

8. Sleuthing - Definition - a Detective -

(law enforcement) a police officer who looks for evidence as part of solving a crime; an investigator.
a person employed to find information not otherwise available to the public.
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Instead of most of these Sleuths writing personal and emotional statements why don't you try and assume the obvious is prove that the deceased(either killed or suicide)is either guilty or not guilty.
9.

 

[itsthevibe]

What if..........and a lot of this is hearsay!!!

There was an argument at home (heard by neighbours) Some people have suggested out here that there was an affair. It supposedly finished hence the counselling. However there was a suggestion it had started again which ABC discovered in the days before she disappeared.

If during the argument ABC said that's it I'm done, I'm out of here and taking you to the cleaners. She then storms out of the house in a huff to calm down (I've done that) She takes her phone with her. There were conflicting reports initially that she didn't have her phone with her but now it's missing. She marches up Boscombe Rd? past the school - quite dark and not a lot of houses. The other end of that Rd is Rafting Ground Rd. What if GBC followed her in the car. He could have grabbed her - the screams came from that vicinity and he put his hand over her mouth to silence her. Perhaps he even was so mad he accidentally went to far? Then in a panic to get out of there he loads her into the car and speeds in the opposite direction towards the roundabout trying to work out what to do. In the struggle her phone drops out of her pocket but he doesn't realise she had it - that's directly in the hot zone? I don't know maybe grasping at straws and in fact it could have been someone else who came across her and did that???

It would be helpful to know the $60 million question about whether she was dumped off the bridge or somewhere closer up to Rafting Ground and drifted down.

Then there's also the computer that was seized - did it have incriminating emails? From ABC to GBC? From the mistress? I don't think the Police were looking for or anything like that. They were looking for evidence. The fact that they are still holding on to it suggests they found something.

Then to be really scary - what if this was planned - could he have researched what to do on the Internet? Could he be that stupid?

Then again all this could be protocol - if our spouse went missing we might have to go through all this too. It makes us look bad and guilty when in fact it is simply to eliminate us. The Police really can't say anything until well when they can......

I have considered this option also and do think it is a possibility. Regarding the computer and emails, I also thought they could check emails sent later in the evening or overnight after GBC said he had gone to bed. If there were any it would be useful in showing he is not telling the truth.

 

[PolyDot]

With suffocation they can trace what kind of pillow was used by checking her airways for fibres. From there they would likely be able to check if these pillows were kept in the home (I don't know about other people but my pillows are all the same brand). Then they could test those pillows to find which one was used to suffocate, check fingerprints, etc.

I've just realised that they haven't mentioned that they are looking for a murder weapon. So my guess would be that it was something that was done without a weapon. My guess is that drugging, strangulation and suffocation are the likely causes. Unless I've missed something.

strangulation i would say - common in intimate partner killing

 

[Neuromancer]

Have a few comments/responses so thought I’d just list them all in point format.


4. On the condition of the body – It was reported that there were no visible signs of ‘foul play’ (rather than ‘trauma’). To me this suggests no visible gunshot wounds, stab/cut wounds or such. I don’t think broken bones would be classed as signs of ‘foul play’??

Yes. "no visible signs of foul play" would mean there is nothing that stands out at first glance that could only have been caused by the malicious action of another person, and not by 11 days' exposure to extreme elements, animals, etc. It would have to be something very obvious (gunshot, knife still embedded) to be definite foul play without full examination.

Re discussion of fractures in other posts - there's a wide range from compound fractures (broken bone showing through wound) to widespread small cracks that you'd get from being dropped on hard surface, to very specific injuries (eg, fractures of small bones in throat from strangulation). It's not until you can do xrays and detailed examination that you can establish method of injury. There are also indications to show if fractures happened before or after death.

TL;DR: visible fractures don't tell you much until investigated in detail.

 

[AllyG]

I have considered this option also and do think it is a possibility. Regarding the computer and emails, I also thought they could check emails sent later in the evening or overnight after GBC said he had gone to bed. If there were any it would be useful in showing he is not telling the truth.

They could easily find out what time the computer had last been active just from the log computers keep of activity. I'd say that if the computer is being held for an extended period of time it is likely to be undergoing forensic testing to retrieve old information that may have been deleted. Which they would only be doing if they felt that there was something on that computer that was likely to implicate someone who had used it. Considering it was his own Mac I would suggest that he was the only one who used it. I know I don't like sharing my Mac with anyone

 

[Willowwind]

8. Sleuthing - Definition - a Detective -

(law enforcement) a police officer who looks for evidence as part of solving a crime; an investigator.
a person employed to find information not otherwise available to the public.
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Most of the Sleuths in this blog are writing with personal and emotional statements. You need to remove yourself. why don't you try and assume the obvious is prove that the deceased(either killed or suicide)is either guilty or not guilty.
9. The key to this case which is causing speculation is what the police are not telling us. We know where the body was found. What we don't know is who where and when the body was murdered and dumped.

Let's all be sleuths(detectives)... Put yourself in the shoes of the lead detective. Ask yourself what job and responsibility he/she has and then let that be your reality .

If you do that then you will feel comfortable in your conviction of your post.

 

[AllyG]

strangulation i would say - common in intimate partner killing

Strangulation would definitely be one of those things that could happen in the heat of the moment. Drugging or suffocation are more premeditated as you have to wait for an opportune moment.

 

[coolcat]

The Police are still focussing on that bloody roundabout...They are asking that if someone seen something "out of place" to contact them - Time frame is 11.30pm to 4am...What can be out of place at a roundabout and also what do they know about the time between 10pm and 11.30 and also 4am to 7.30 that they have ruled out with what we know about time last seen by GBC and Time of call to Police? Interesting...Very Interesting?

 

[barrosa]

If the person who comitted this act hired a lawyer to get the charge downgraded to manslaughter and has made a deal then perhaps IMO that is how Allison was found (again not mcy info about canoiest small community mm). The thing I cant get out of my head more than anything yes she has died but the way in which her death disposal of her body this is just something I cannot accept murder or manslaughter why why did her body have to be disposed of in this way this is such a shocking way for a human being to be left. Im not a totally religious person god will never forgive this person and they one person two person three persons who ever did this will got to hell IMO What sort of person does that

 

[barrosa]

sorry - but to be left in the dark night cold wet exposed - why what on earth did she ever do to deserve to be "dumped" I pray that justice will prevail this is just horrendous I feel so guilty now when I hug my girls and want to cry x

 

[AllyG]

I've found an article from the Australian Institute of Criminology titled Homicide between Intimate Partners in Australia, which may give people a better idea of the science behind it, if they're interested.

I haven't read it yet but I shall now

http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/6/1/3/%7B613390AC-6E23-43F2-8070-45095691D7F0%7Dti90.pdf

 

[Willowwind]

If the person who comitted this act hired a lawyer to get the charge downgraded to manslaughter and has made a deal then perhaps IMO that is how Allison was found (again not mcy info about canoiest small community mm). The thing I cant get out of my head more than anything yes she has died but the way in which her death disposal of her body this is just something I cannot accept murder or manslaughter why why did her body have to be disposed of in this way this is such a shocking way for a human being to be left. Im not a totally religious person god will never forgive this person and they one person two person three persons who ever did this will got to hell IMO What sort of person does that

Ah....now your thinking....to prove murder over manslaughter you need lots and lots of conclusive evidence....do I need to say hence the situation???

 

[bearbear]

like dansw said before, maybe she was left there to make it look like suicide, and i think his sister also said allison had suffered depression in one of the first interviews.

 

[ozprincessinoz]

Guilty or not, this has hit his business hard.
15 properties (incl land) for sale!! For a large, well know agency, that is fairly appalling.
I've been reading another forum where 2 people stated they had changed their property sale from him to another agency.
I'll be interested to see how many properties he has left at the end of this week.
RIP Allison and hugs to her beautiful daughters.

 

[AllyG]

It seems that many of us are wrong. Only 1/4 of murders in Australia are perpetrated by someone in an intimate relationship with the victim.

 

[AllyG]

However, when the victim is female, they are around 4 times more likely to have been killed by an intimate partner.

 

[barrosa]

Ah....now your thinking....to prove murder over manslaughter you need lots and lots of conclusive evidence....do I need to say hence the situation???

OK so lets say IMO once the barrister was engaged was a deal done i.e. manslaughter I panicked and will advise as to where she is hence loan canoist - but the police are still wanting to push for murder but has a deal be done regarding time frame so as to protect the children i.e funeral moving back home etc IMO

 

[willough]

like dansw said before, maybe she was left there to make it look like suicide, and i think his sister also said allison had suffered depression in one of the first interviews.

Yes, they were very good in mentioning "her depression"....but werent very forthcoming at mentioning their own issues.......and have bunkered down as if their world is no ones business.