Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #4

[minni]

there is a good site called eyes for lies which actually did a very good interpretation of the mothers behaviour in the kiesha abrahams case, its a very interesting look at peoples body language, especially when they are facing the media, they pick up the lies and mannerisms of a person not teklling the truth.
i think you can send them footage of interviews etc and they will give their take on it.
think its an american site. they have covered a lot of high profile cases. dont know if im allowed to post the link or not so wont, but its easily googled.

what a good site...I jsut had a quick read on Chad Mitchell an australian man who fought with his wife, claimed she walked off down the street and hasn't been seen since...VERY interesting to read of his body languages...

 

[oreily85]

there is a good site called eyes for lies which actually did a very good interpretation of the mothers behaviour in the kiesha abrahams case, its a very interesting look at peoples body language, especially when they are facing the media, they pick up the lies and mannerisms of a person not teklling the truth.
i think you can send them footage of interviews etc and they will give their take on it.
think its an american site. they have covered a lot of high profile cases. dont know if im allowed to post the link or not so wont, but its easily googled.

Yup great site. It was suggested they review footage of GBC but I dont think there is enough of it. She/He ( not sure who does it? ) commented on the link and said there are definite red flags she noticed about him after Allison was found!!

 

[Sowhodidit?]

discussion has made a definate shift from NBC to alleged mistress this morning, so whilst on the subject of female accomplices/other parties etc, what are some of your thoughts on what would prompt police to investigate/interview an
'ex' colleague 3 times, and at least for 4 hours for one of those interviews? I suggested earlier that perhaps she was at the house when GBC reported her missing? or if she was involved previously with GBC, could she just need to be eliminated as POI? or does she have insight to GBC behaviour that could help police? I wonder if police have attempted to interview councellor or therapist that BC's may have been seeing? If they were in fact seeing someone (as friends/locals have indicated), wouldn't said councellor have some insight that others don't? Sorry....suddenly I have a million more questions that probably have no relevance!!!

Just a little bit of info, the ex colleague is a much older lady and previous business partner who was if you like "ripped off" by GBC she in no way was a mistress or accomplice. I will eat my words if this turns out to be wrong but I think she has quite a bit of info on the business dealings GBC has done

On another note - you don't think Allison was walking near the round about when GBC picked her up?

And why did he expect her back in the morning to get the kids ready if they were at their grandparents?

Take what you will from this!

 

[itsthevibe]

When this investigation started I thought an arrest would have been made by now.
As we know, for detectives, the first 48 hours is crucial. We are a long way past that period.

Three things solve crimes:

Physical Evidence

Witnesses

Confessions

Like everyone here I am hanging out for an arrest.

The investigators have the victim and they have a suspect/s.
As a confession is not likely the 'hold up' must be evidence and or witnesses.

If the case isn't resolved this week I think some concern is warranted.

Yes, I feel the same way, except I'd give them until early next week. They may wait until after the funeral. But I'm concerned already that they don't or won't have enough.

 

[itsthevibe]

Just a little bit of info, the ex colleague is a much older lady and previous business partner who was if you like "ripped off" by GBC she in no way was a mistress or accomplice. I will eat my words if this turns out to be wrong but I think she has quite a bit of info on the business dealings GBC has done

On another note - you don't think Allison was walking near the round about when GBC picked her up?

And why did he expect her back in the morning to get the kids ready if they were at their grandparents?

Take what you will from this!

I don't think there was anything official saying he was expecting her back to get the kids ready Just that he was expecting her back. She had a conference on that day and would have had to come back and get ready for it.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Some things you mentioned here bother me as well.

The house was declared a crime scene almost from the very start. The first attending officers 'made unspecified observations' that they reported to the detectives. The assumption we make is that this has to do with GBC looking guilty in some way.

There just seems to be a bit more to it than what's been reported.

It's also occurred to me that GBC has been tried and found guilty by the public and the police haven't really done anything to correct this.

Either they know he's guilty and want to to make him sweat or.... the perp is someone else and they want him/her to feel totally complacent and think they are in clear. (I'm pretty sure I've heard of this being a police tactic).

Anyway, just my thoughts.

Good thoughts and I agree.. it may indeed not have anything to do with him with what they observed. And there definitely would be more that the police know than we possibly could. We can only make our assumptions based on media reports(and some hearsay). We may likely be missing vital pieces of the case that explain much..(and no I am not alluding to anything, I had many of these thoughts before anything else I made mention of previously)

 

[CaseClosed]

Very often, 'motive' revolves around money. I'm wondering if Allison had invested a sizeable sum in the business, early on? She'd had quite a successful career prior to marriage and motherhood apparently and from everything I've learned about her, she was astute. Maybe she was a good little saver during her single days

The media's reported the imminent collapse of the business leading up to Allison's murder. It's possible people close to the family had invested heavily in it. They may even have put their homes on the line. And the media's reported a substantial loan occurred ($300,000) in recent months

Maybe Allison advised the principals in the business that she wanted her money back and would take it to court if needs be? She may have decided to make a new life for herself and the children

If any of the above occurred, it would possibly have meant bankruptcy for the business principals plus loss of their home, if they'd used it to prop up the failing business. Loss of face, loss of assets, potential homelessness and poverty

It usually is "follow the money!" to solve a crime, isn't it?

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

On another note - you don't think Allison was walking near the round about when GBC picked her up?

Although, it appears Police we wanting witnesses to both the BC cars, so more likely maybe that they were both in the cars at some point?

 

[CaseClosed]

i might have lead myself on a wild goose chase...I just matched up the tribute on the courier mail website to the woman who appeared in the century 21 website, then google her twitter account. she had made quite a few comments relating to investigation, then stopped tweeting it. I am just assuming this is the same woman who everyone keeps talking about/not talking about,

People "in the know" have clarified before that the woman you are alluding to is not the alleged "mistress".

 

[minni]

Just a little bit of info, the ex colleague is a much older lady and previous business partner who was if you like "ripped off" by GBC she in no way was a mistress or accomplice. I will eat my words if this turns out to be wrong but I think she has quite a bit of info on the business dealings GBC has done


!

thanks, that has been discussed too, that she was helping police with info re: GBC...it reinforces his 'distasteful' reputation that has been reported so many times, also explains her lovely tribute she posted for Allison

 

[Neuromancer]

Yup great site. It was suggested they review footage of GBC but I dont think there is enough of it. She/He ( not sure who does it? ) commented on the link and said there are definite red flags she noticed about him after Allison was found!!

Ooh yes - She says "Having seen his facial expressions since her body was found, I found them much more alarming. He was angry and frustrated: annoyed"
(http://eyesforlies.uservoice.com/forums/14727-topic-suggestions)

I'd noticed that in recent photos he's looking angry, but I hadn't put it together with him being angry *about* Allison being found.

 

[coolcat]

It says sister/sister in law then names 4 ppl.. I assume the first two are her brother & sister, who are the other two, their husbands and wives? Rather rude to include their names personally but not Gerard's sister (who seems to have had a decent relationship with her.. One article says Olivia saw Allison the week prior and spoke to her the night before she was killed why name only the relatives on Allison's side? Or are they blaming the whole family for what one person may have done?

On another note I just can't find the video of Insp Ainsworth with the questions from journalists grrr

In my experience it is actually a normal process to only name Allison's Immediate family (nee Dickie) but it is also fairly normal for the husband to organise the funeral and the arrangements and IMO it feels like he has not done this? If GBC has not committed this crime I think the animosity that seems to be present between the families may only be due to GBC's Unfaithfulness. The Dickies are Probably very angry that he cheated on their daughter and caused her embarresment and a great deal of suffering and for her life to end the way it has would only make the resentment a lot worse...IMO.

 

[CaseClosed]

Yes, I feel the same way, except I'd give them until early next week. They may wait until after the funeral. But I'm concerned already that they don't or won't have enough.

My understanding is that toxicology results can take up to 3 weeks, which is when they will be able to establish Cause of Death. I doubt they can arrest anybody without COD.

 

[CaseClosed]

Ooh yes - She says "Having seen his facial expressions since her body was found, I found them much more alarming. He was angry and frustrated: annoyed"
(http://eyesforlies.uservoice.com/forums/14727-topic-suggestions)

I'd noticed that in recent photos he's looking angry, but I hadn't put it together with him being angry *about* Allison being found.

In some photos I find he looks almost defiant!

 

[Neuromancer]

Just a little bit of info, the ex colleague is a much older lady and previous business partner who was if you like "ripped off" by GBC she in no way was a mistress or accomplice. I will eat my words if this turns out to be wrong but I think she has quite a bit of info on the business dealings GBC has done

Thanks - I was feeling that the automatic ex-colleague= mistress assumptions here were off.

Hope she has lots of good info to contribute to cops!

 

[minni]

In some photos I find he looks almost defiant!

how would you describe his facial expressions before she was found? hopeful? not really....maybe apologetic? it looks that way a bit in the video where he says 'I'm sorry' what do you think the angry expression could represent? anger that she has been killed, ie anger at someone else? or anger that she was found quicker than he wanted? thoughts??

 

[Sowhodidit?]

thanks, that has been discussed too, that she was helping police with info re: GBC...it reinforces his 'distasteful' reputation that has been reported so many times, also explains her lovely tribute she posted for Allison

The lovely tribute is from another ex colleague, she also left C21 not so happy with the way things were run, I believe! A lot of ex agents with C21 were very unhappy with the way things were run by the family when his father was involved. I think the mistress in question is not in real estate anymore she was or is married with children of her own.

 

[Limaes]

Just a little bit of info, the ex colleague is a much older lady and previous business partner who was if you like "ripped off" by GBC she in no way was a mistress or accomplice. I will eat my words if this turns out to be wrong but I think she has quite a bit of info on the business dealings GBC has done

On another note - you don't think Allison was walking near the round about when GBC picked her up?

And why did he expect her back in the morning to get the kids ready if they were at their grandparents?

Take what you will from this!

That makes more sense. There are two female ex-colleagues. Both are on the Meet the Team websites of both C21 and ReMax.

One of them is considerably older than GBC.

The other one 'looks like' someone seen on camera visiting the senior BC's home.

 

[oreily85]

In my experience it is actually a normal process to only name Allison's Immediate family (nee Dickie) but it is also fairly normal for the husband to organise the funeral and the arrangements and IMO it feels like he has not done this? If GBC has not committed this crime I think the animosity that seems to be present between the families may only be due to GBC's Unfaithfulness. The Dickies are Probably very angry that he cheated on their daughter and caused her embarresment and a great deal of suffering and for her life to end the way it has would only make the resentment a lot worse...IMO.

Hmmm I hope it's not normal... Have to say if anything happened to my sister in law I'd be rather annoyed if they went to the trouble of naming her brothers wife but not me? (shes married to my brother) I'd like to think we are just as close as she is to her other SIL...nice to know I'm not good enough to be named just because I'm on the wrong side of the fam? If they're just saying "much loved sister in law" that's different but here they actually named names. That seemed odd to me but I guess this is an odd situation... They also only called her "wife of Gerard" yet everyone else is loving/precious/much loved... Interesting wording of all of it really...

 

[barrosa]

lots of post with new comings - welcome! and interesting points. Have we considered the following:

GBC and "female friend" confrontation in the house thursday PM

Allsion returns sees confrontation orders them both out of the house they both leave where they continue the argument for sometime.

GBC stays at parents house thursday pm returns friday am to find ABC missing and girls all alone - hence why a crime scene and the quick police response?

Perhaps GBC knows what happened but doesnt have the proof as the female friend returned to the house much later continued row with allison which she then died and then disposed of her body

IMO