Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #4

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  • #161
Good info - but can you get the content of sms off the phone ?? forenstically ?/ after all you cant wipe your hard drive completey there will always be traces

My husband's answer is possibly - he has read it can be done but does not understand how. He believes it would depend on the operating system on the phone - he said that even though you delete something on your computer from windows, it doesn;t really disappear from the hard drive, it just flags the space as available.

I told him that I thought the phones were I-Phones and he can said "possibly"
I am sure the police have the expertise to be able to something like that.
 
  • #162
Re: The missing iPhone.

On my iPhone I have the find my iPhone app.
Using gps it shows my iPhone at the location where it currently is.
Eg: if I log in now using my apple id (from any computer) it shows my iPhone at my current home address and on which side of the property it is (end room, rhs of property)

Im wondering if police had thought to do this or were even aware such technology exists?

Yes, it can be done, but you have to have the iPhone setting turned on for location, etc. I have mine turned off on purpose.
 
  • #163
The cameras at the Kenmore Roundabout would only take shots every few seconds or every minute even, so it would be hit of miss trying to get a picture of the cars. Perhaps they were stopped?
 
  • #164
Regarding the scant information on the cached Century 21 page dated July 2008.

The reason I think that Allison appears with no information etc is that in July 2008 she had three very young children and close in age children. The youngest would have baby, at best a toddler, the middle girl would have been still at home and older one only just started school. I think her time would have been fully taken up with mothering, and the real estate business "interest" would have been for tax purposes i.e income splitting.

I have been thinking about the sleeping arrangements as well - I think (and I am sure someone on here could verify) the Australian law recognises the period of separation required for divorce, as the time spent not sharing a bedroom. I think you can live in the same house and be recognised as legally separated.

As the money situation was so tight, perhaps the BC's were traillling a separation like this and Allison could claim some financial assistance from Centrelink.
 
  • #165
It is my Belief that police know who/s responsible and they are now in the process of building a case for arrest. They need to await all forensic results including toxicology to confirm what they know or believe. They can't make an arrest unless they have a very tight case or they run the risk of it not sticking and the person/s involved getting away with it. This takes time. But as I have said I think this week could prove interesting and there may be alot of movement on this case and lets hope that arrest.
 
  • #166
Ok it's just a theory here but....

Say ABC does have find my iPhone app installed (GBC likes to know where wifey is at all times).
ABC meets her fate, GBC can wipe the phone via the app remotely from say a HOME computer which also makes the phone untraceable and all info,messages etc are gone too.

If GBC purchased the phone for ABC he would know her log in details as you need an iTunes acct to set the phone up initially.
 
  • #167
Yes, it can be done, but you have to have the iPhone setting turned on for location, etc. I have mine turned off on purpose.

Is this similar to tv shows, where someone turns on the GPS tracker on a phone? When I see this, it always seems like the tracker is naturally off unless you choose to turn it on...wasn't even sure it was standard on all phones or jsut fabricated for tv
 
  • #168
I wouldn't be expecting an arrest in this case soon. The QPS will almost certainly have enough circumstantial evidence to charge someone with a manslaughter by now, and probably a growing body of direct evidence. But there is no real point in an arrest until they have determined whether there is enough evidence of intention to ground a murder charge. Given that a manslaughter conviction without any strong evidence of the exact circumstances of the killing would probably only result in a few years in prison (perhaps 3-5), compared to a minimum of 15 years for a murder conviction, it's important to exhaust the investigative process beofre moving. The manslaughter evidence isn't going anywhere and once charges are laid the accused person will be either put in a remand centre or very carefully managed by their lawyers. In either case, the accused will not be then out and about to make some potentially incriminating statements or actions and will not suffer anywhere like the amount of mental stess that they would be under if there was still uncertainty about whether they were even going to be charged. The actual killer's mind will be racing at the moment and that's the sort of mind detectives like to interrogate. They can use that stress to their advantage. Unless a suspect is a significant threat to other people, arresting or charging them isn't a priority. It's getting the best prosecution outcome that matters. And if that means letting suspects stay in the community for months, or even years, then that's what is done.
 
  • #169
That was my understanding too....I couldnt find the article to back that up though, so I didnt add it in.....I was worried people would say "Where did you get that from?"....and then I wouldnt be able to find it.

Yes, understand. I know it said they took several bags of items but I'm not sure if it actualy said anything specifically was taken from the shed. I just thought it was interesting they searched the shed, it might have just been routine, but i did wonder was there something that would be found in a shed they were particularly searching for?

I wish there was a timeline of links that was started from the beginning. The Mods posted us a thread we could put them on, but it's so much work to get them all and caption, date and organise them properly. would have been good if one had been started from the beginning.
 
  • #170
Regarding the scant information on the cached Century 21 page dated July 2008.

The reason I think that Allison appears with no information etc is that in July 2008 she had three very young children and close in age children. The youngest would have baby, at best a toddler, the middle girl would have been still at home and older one only just started school. I think her time would have been fully taken up with mothering, and the real estate business "interest" would have been for tax purposes i.e income splitting.

I have been thinking about the sleeping arrangements as well - I think (and I am sure someone on here could verify) the Australian law recognises the period of separation required for divorce, as the time spent not sharing a bedroom. I think you can live in the same house and be recognised as legally separated.

As the money situation was so tight, perhaps the BC's were traillling a separation like this and Allison could claim some financial assistance from Centrelink.

Yes, I separated from my husband (I moved to the guest bedroom) and stayed in the house for 4 months (we have kids) until we could sell it and split the assets. When I divorced him, the day I moved into the other bedroom was the date of the official separation.
 
  • #171
although I had an app that I was going to use on an android phone when I was going to drive across australia by myself. It was a simple push of a button and my exact location would be sent by sms to whoever I chose. I know that phone had a gps
 
  • #172
The cameras at the Kenmore Roundabout would only take shots every few seconds or every minute even, so it would be hit of miss trying to get a picture of the cars. Perhaps they were stopped?

Yes, I think it updates every 10 minutes..so maybe the testing was to see whether someon did more than just drive around the roundabout at that time. Perhaps it is beleived they stopped and if the car was seen still in the vicinity at the next update of the camera. Perhaps the police recreating and timing is to prove that it would not take that long if just driving. To be captured on the video and then still be in view through a refresh of the camera.. Meaning that something occured.. again just my mind wondering here.
 
  • #173
It is my Belief that police know who/s responsible and they are now in the process of building a case for arrest. They need to await all forensic results including toxicology to confirm what they know or believe. They can't make an arrest unless they have a very tight case or they run the risk of it not sticking and the person/s involved getting away with it. This takes time. But as I have said I think this week could prove interesting and there may be alot of movement on this case and lets hope that arrest.
I agree that there will be an arrest in this case, and that the police do have a firm suspect in mind that they are building their case for. They pretty much most all of the investigative work completed before they actually arrest the person. I am not sure if we'll see an arrest before the funeral. And I think that is not because of the children. I think that is more so that they can have the POI out and about amongst the people at her funeral so that they can gauge his reaction, etc. Could they use this as further "proof"? That if there were video footage of the funeral they could analyse that and have someone read his body language?
 
  • #174
I wouldn't be expecting an arrest in this case soon. The QPS will almost certainly have enough circumstantial evidence to charge someone with a manslaughter by now, and probably a growing body of direct evidence. But there is no real point in an arrest until they have determined whether there is enough evidence of intention to ground a murder charge. Given that a manslaughter conviction without any strong evidence of the exact circumstances of the killing would probably only result in a few years in prison (perhaps 3-5), compared to a minimum of 15 years for a murder conviction, it's important to exhaust the investigative process beofre moving. The manslaughter evidence isn't going anywhere and once charges are laid the accused person will be either put in a remand centre or very carefully managed by their lawyers. In either case, the accused will not be then out and about to make some potentially incriminating statements or actions and will not suffer anywhere like the amount of mental stess that they would be under if there was still uncertainty about whether they were even going to be charged. The actual killer's mind will be racing at the moment and that's the sort of mind detectives like to interrogate. They can use that stress to their advantage. Unless a suspect is a significant threat to other people, arresting or charging them isn't a priority. It's getting the best prosecution outcome that matters. And if that means letting suspects stay in the community for months, or even years, then that's what is done.

Thanks, that is very informative
 
  • #175
I wouldn't be expecting an arrest in this case soon. The QPS will almost certainly have enough circumstantial evidence to charge someone with a manslaughter by now, and probably a growing body of direct evidence. But there is no real point in an arrest until they have determined whether there is enough evidence of intention to ground a murder charge. Given that a manslaughter conviction without any strong evidence of the exact circumstances of the killing would probably only result in a few years in prison (perhaps 3-5), compared to a minimum of 15 years for a murder conviction, it's important to exhaust the investigative process beofre moving. The manslaughter evidence isn't going anywhere and once charges are laid the accused person will be either put in a remand centre or very carefully managed by their lawyers. In either case, the accused will not be then out and about to make some potentially incriminating statements or actions and will not suffer anywhere like the amount of mental stess that they would be under if there was still uncertainty about whether they were even going to be charged. The actual killer's mind will be racing at the moment and that's the sort of mind detectives like to interrogate. They can use that stress to their advantage. Unless a suspect is a significant threat to other people, arresting or charging them isn't a priority. It's getting the best prosecution outcome that matters. And if that means letting suspects stay in the community for months, or even years, then that's what is done.

This is brilliant and obviously professionally knowledgeable. Makes a lot of sense to me. They have to be incredibly disciplined. I can only say I hope this is the case and that this is what they do - but that it doesnt take too long. I also would hate the idea of the perpetrator only getting a few years.

Yes QPS Homicide squad - get the strongest case you can and nail that creep to the wall!
 
  • #176
Ok it's just a theory here but....

Say ABC does have find my iPhone app installed (GBC likes to know where wifey is at all times).
ABC meets her fate, GBC can wipe the phone via the app remotely from say a HOME computer which also makes the phone untraceable and all info,messages etc are gone too.

If GBC purchased the phone for ABC he would know her log in details as you need an iTunes acct to set the phone up initially.

The Find my Phone app I believe only works with the 4S? We don't know what model she had. You can remotely access the phone, but many people don't know this.
 
  • #177
I wouldn't be expecting an arrest in this case soon. The QPS will almost certainly have enough circumstantial evidence to charge someone with a manslaughter by now, and probably a growing body of direct evidence. But there is no real point in an arrest until they have determined whether there is enough evidence of intention to ground a murder charge. Given that a manslaughter conviction without any strong evidence of the exact circumstances of the killing would probably only result in a few years in prison (perhaps 3-5), compared to a minimum of 15 years for a murder conviction, it's important to exhaust the investigative process beofre moving. The manslaughter evidence isn't going anywhere and once charges are laid the accused person will be either put in a remand centre or very carefully managed by their lawyers. In either case, the accused will not be then out and about to make some potentially incriminating statements or actions and will not suffer anywhere like the amount of mental stess that they would be under if there was still uncertainty about whether they were even going to be charged. The actual killer's mind will be racing at the moment and that's the sort of mind detectives like to interrogate. They can use that stress to their advantage. Unless a suspect is a significant threat to other people, arresting or charging them isn't a priority. It's getting the best prosecution outcome that matters. And if that means letting suspects stay in the community for months, or even years, then that's what is done.

Thanks for the info, guess we will just wait and see. I agree for the most part. I beleive it will move soon after forensic results- but could be wrong. I agree, though circumstanial evidence is not enough often to make a conviction. Thats why proof is needed to make a case whether it be for manslaughter or if they have enough and believe it so murder. I guess we wait until then.
 
  • #178
Maybe they were sharing custody of the children without people knowing as they seem to be both "proud" people....I seem to think for some reason that this is the case and that they had actually been seperated at the time and after he had made the call to Police maybe the best friend or parents had let Police know what had been happening with in the home which made Police suspect something odd.

Maybe he told them that he had come to visit her at 10 and she was watching the footy show.

If the childrens school is just accross the road maybe it was routine for him to bring them to ABC before they went in to school.

Maybe the Roundabout Mystery is that he made quite alot of trips through the roundabout that night... and they are questioning Why?
But they're asking if people saw anything "unusal". One person driving through a roundabout wouldn't know how many times that person has driven through the roundabout in the hours prior.
 
  • #179
I agree that there will be an arrest in this case, and that the police do have a firm suspect in mind that they are building their case for. They pretty much most all of the investigative work completed before they actually arrest the person. I am not sure if we'll see an arrest before the funeral. And I think that is not because of the children. I think that is more so that they can have the POI out and about amongst the people at her funeral so that they can gauge his reaction, etc. Could they use this as further "proof"? That if there were video footage of the funeral they could analyse that and have someone read his body language?

I do agree it likely won't be before the funeral.
 
  • #180
Is this similar to tv shows, where someone turns on the GPS tracker on a phone? When I see this, it always seems like the tracker is naturally off unless you choose to turn it on...wasn't even sure it was standard on all phones or jsut fabricated for tv

I only know about iPhone and it all depends on what settings you select at the initial setup of the phone. You can turn the GPS location feature on at off at will. I would say most people have it on, but it consumes more battery hence I have mine turned off.
 
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