Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #4

[Neuromancer]

Maybe a silly question but if the funeral is on friday dose that mean the body has been released if so the post mortum must have given a definate cause of death,the police are waiting on toxicology results which they are hopeful about.

Kinda but not quite. PM would have got all the info they could from physical exam. Samples would have been taken for ongoing testing, and as we know toxicology takes a while.

So they can release the body because they have all the samples they need, but outcomes still await completion of tests.

 

[Curiousasacat]

Possumheart, wanted to thank you for this post. I'm going to show this to my husband.

Someone asked a while back why posters felt drawn to this particular case. This sums up my reason perfectly.

So lovely and beautifully written, bought tears to my eyes.

 

[Kimster]

I have to remove some posts about FB. Here's the rules on that so y'all know for next time. :tyou:

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Also, social networking pages may only be linked if they are directly related to a case, i.e. the victim or suspect. We don't want to post to someone's mother, brother, employer, milkman, or postal carrier just because they know the main player. We also NEVER link to minor's pages (unless they are the victim). And be sure that the page actually belongs to the person being discussed. Do not link to someone if you are not 100% sure it is the correct person. And if a social networking is set to private and you get in the back way, you may not post what you find. Private means private!

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[Kimster]

Mrs Baden-Clay's parents are now organising the funeral with the co-operation of her husband Gerard, a week after the mother-of-three was found dead, the Courier-Mail reports.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8463610/baden-clay-to-be-farewelled-on-friday

 

[Elspeth]

Are there any other creeks waterways closer to where ABC lived which run into Kholo Creek ...

 

[Neuromancer]

Isn't this someone who used to be an ex colleague????????

On the topic of ex-colleagues, it's interesting that the police have interviewed a female ex-colleague three times now, more than anyone else it seems. Yet no reports of them searching her place or anything. Which makes you wonder if she's helping with info more than being suspected of anything.

News report from 30 April (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...rs-11th-day-20120430-1xtka.html#ixzz1uDRWkG9i) says police spent "four hours interviewing a woman, believed to be a former colleague, on Wednesday." which would have been the 25th.

It's interesting that the twitter of one ex-colleague has 3 posts about the search for Allison from 20 Apr (search for missing woman), 22 Apr (urging locals to search their properties) and 24 Apr (looking for witnesses who saw BC cars) and then...nothing... just a few posts about web design and interior decoration. Perhaps something changed her enthusiasm for tweeting updates and calls for public help, or made her realise they were futile?

Just to be clear, i'm not especially convinced of any "mistress as accomplice" theories - I mean, if you're having a fling with someone and you get a call at midnight asking if you'd like to help dispose of a body, how many people would be "oh sure love, I'll just grab my designer gumboots."

Also not necessarily convinced that mistress is an ex-colleague or even exists - plenty of women get unfairly accused of shagging any man in their workplace, esp by the gossipy wives club who see threat in every available female.

 

[Ferris]

none of the waterways near Brookfield are connected to Kholo creek, unless you count the river but that is not terribly close to the house.

 

[WSmum]

IMO Perhaps another possibility in terms of another party known to family that was blackmailing or threatening them (unhappy real estate client, etc.) that turned tomurder.
Fits some elements of case:
Apparent recent financial difficulty
immediate police response (GBC could have told them they had received some threats)
why police are not putting out an alert to people in the area re their safety (ie. this crime was specific to the Bc family)
Why ABC may have stopped working at C21
Police raiding the office and looking at computers.
The comments made by ABC family and friends that they wish she had opened up to them more
This is just a theory but thought I would throw out again.

 

[minni]

Some things you mentioned here bother me as well.



The house was declared a crime scene almost from the very start. The first attending officers 'made unspecified observations' that they reported to the detectives. The assumption we make is that this has to do with GBC looking guilty in some way.

There just seems to be a bit more to it than what's been reported.

or.... the perp is someone else and they want him/her to feel totally complacent and think they are in clear. (I'm pretty sure I've heard of this being a police tactic).

Anyway, just my thoughts.

something that just occurred to me...the police don't report very much of the details in these situations....I wonder if when they arrived at the house, someone was there with GBC, perhaps a woman.....and he may have explained it as a friend of the family he called whilst looking for her, but their actions were not right?

 

[minni]

if it was the ex colleague, it could explain why she was interviewed 3 times

 

[Curiousasacat]

IMO Perhaps another possibility in terms of another party known to family that was blackmailing or threatening them (unhappy real estate client, etc.) that turned tomurder.
Fits some elements of case:
Apparent recent financial difficulty
immediate police response (GBC could have told them they had received some threats)
why police are not putting out an alert to people in the area re their safety (ie. this crime was specific to the Bc family)
Why ABC may have stopped working at C21
Police raiding the office and looking at computers.
The comments made by ABC family and friends that they wish she had opened up to them more
This is just a theory but thought I would throw out again.

Welcome WSmum..... Interesting and possible.

 

[minni]

I did wonder, if they have found it or they are just more centred and interested in the round about and maybe if they can get what they need from that, they are not as concerned with the phone?? I wonder.

again, with the police withholding so much, the sim found could have been evidence that they withheld to give false comfort to perp...I think that is the last time any mention of her phone was reported?

 

[spratsmum]

I find the funeral notice in today's Courier Mail very interesting. It takes up[ two columns, is at the top of the page (the two columns wouldn't be cheap), It starts by saying wife of Gerald, devoted Mum, loving etc but only wife Gerald. Hav to go will post more later

 

[Paradox11]

Just to be clear, i'm not especially convinced of any "mistress as accomplice" theories - I mean, if you're having a fling with someone and you get a call at midnight asking if you'd like to help dispose of a body, how many people would be "oh sure love, I'll just grab my designer gumboots."

Also not necessarily convinced that mistress is an ex-colleague or even exists - plenty of women get unfairly accused of shagging any man in their workplace, esp by the gossipy wives club who see threat in every available female.

There’s no evidence that he had an accomplice in disposing of the body, and maybe I’ve been watching too many movies, but I think the alleged mistress would help.

To have an affair she must be a deceptive and dishonest person, probably with low self-esteem. She is already used to sneaking around and lying to people to cover for GBC. Possibly she is in love or infatuated with him and does not want to lose him. He may have some power or influence over her – whether having some kind of dirt on her, or just emotional/psychological influence. If the marriage was unhappy then no doubt she would know all the details and sympathise with GBC having to live in this unhappy situation.

If he called her in a panic and said it was an accident and he doesn’t know what to do and he can’t go to jail, who’s going to look after the kids, you have to help me blah blah (we’ve already heard his ‘distressed’ voice so that’s not too hard to imagine). He might even try and make her feel guilty or obligated by suggesting that the affair was what caused the argument in the first place.

By all accounts this wasn't just a casual fling, if you beleive the rumours it had been going on for several years, then ended and apparently started up again recently.

So I think that yes, out of a misguided feeling of love or loyalty, and/or a fear of losing him, she would help him cover it up, or at the very least if she didn’t help physically to relocate the body, she might have advised him what to do and turn a blind eye. In a sick way she might see this as a chance for them to be together, something that would have been unlikely before.

I can’t imagine helping someone to do this either if I got that phone call, but some people do strange things in the name of love.

What’s that saying – friends help you move, real friends help you move bodies.

 

[minni]

The roundabout intrigues me.

Perhaps the kids did stay at their grandparents on Thursday night. Maybe the kids were transported from one car to another? If it happened at anytime between the given hours I know I would think it was strange.

Then when the police arrived after the 000 call was made he could say he's been at home with the kids all night, hoping they wouldn't say anything.. but maybe they did?

excellent observation, and would explain why the witness reported something to the police the following morning...if I saw children being moved from car to car in the middle of the night, I would be just uneasy enough to call cops....what other unusual things would make you call the cops? any ideas??

 

[minni]

Very well spotted Berry - mmmm seems to deliberately miss off a certain person. Can think of a few reasons why someone might do that!!

yes....very unusual if they are close or recently were, for no mention of one obvious person.... noticed many tweets from her relating to disappearance/murder

 

[oreily85]

About alison from another Brooky local http://tryingnottodisappear.com/2012/05/05/optimism-will-always-beat-fear/
Beautifully written. My technology won't let me cut and paste a paragraph so if you trust me have a look

Am I reading the same as everyone else with this? Im not seeing anything beautiful at all? It wasnt even "about" Allison ( in fact they dont even seem to know her ) seems whoever wrote it made it all about them... lost count of how many "I's" are in it. Its all about what the murderer took away from THEM.. how odd. At this point I personally am still rather stuck on the fact that an innocent lady has had her life taken in the most horrific way. Seems like Brookfield has quite the share of self centred people...

 

[minni]

discussion has made a definate shift from NBC to alleged mistress this morning, so whilst on the subject of female accomplices/other parties etc, what are some of your thoughts on what would prompt police to investigate/interview an
'ex' colleague 3 times, and at least for 4 hours for one of those interviews? I suggested earlier that perhaps she was at the house when GBC reported her missing? or if she was involved previously with GBC, could she just need to be eliminated as POI? or does she have insight to GBC behaviour that could help police? I wonder if police have attempted to interview councellor or therapist that BC's may have been seeing? If they were in fact seeing someone (as friends/locals have indicated), wouldn't said councellor have some insight that others don't? Sorry....suddenly I have a million more questions that probably have no relevance!!!

 

[WSmum]

discussion has made a definate shift from NBC to alleged mistress this morning, so whilst on the subject of female accomplices/other parties etc, what are some of your thoughts on what would prompt police to investigate/interview an
'ex' colleague 3 times, and at least for 4 hours for one of those interviews? I suggested earlier that perhaps she was at the house when GBC reported her missing? or if she was involved previously with GBC, could she just need to be eliminated as POI? or does she have insight to GBC behaviour that could help police? I wonder if police have attempted to interview councellor or therapist that BC's may have been seeing? If they were in fact seeing someone (as friends/locals have indicated), wouldn't said councellor have some insight that others don't? Sorry....suddenly I have a million more questions that probably have no relevance!!![/QUOTE


Or perhaps she is corroborating threats received by a client towards Gbc or Abc

 

[oreily85]

There’s no evidence that he had an accomplice in disposing of the body, and maybe I’ve been watching too many movies, but I think the alleged mistress would help.

To have an affair she must be a deceptive and dishonest person, probably with low self-esteem. She is already used to sneaking around and lying to people to cover for GBC. Possibly she is in love or infatuated with him and does not want to lose him. He may have some power or influence over her – whether having some kind of dirt on her, or just emotional/psychological influence. If the marriage was unhappy then no doubt she would know all the details and sympathise with GBC having to live in this unhappy situation.

If he called her in a panic and said it was an accident and he doesn’t know what to do and he can’t go to jail, who’s going to look after the kids, you have to help me blah blah (we’ve already heard his ‘distressed’ voice so that’s not too hard to imagine). He might even try and make her feel guilty or obligated by suggesting that the affair was what caused the argument in the first place.

By all accounts this wasn't just a casual fling, if you beleive the rumours it had been going on for several years, then ended and apparently started up again recently.

So I think that yes, out of a misguided feeling of love or loyalty, and/or a fear of losing him, she would help him cover it up, or at the very least if she didn’t help physically to relocate the body, she might have advised him what to do and turn a blind eye. In a sick way she might see this as a chance for them to be together, something that would have been unlikely before.

I can’t imagine helping someone to do this either if I got that phone call, but some people do strange things in the name of love.

What’s that saying – friends help you move, real friends help you move bodies.

Im inclined to agree here.. you never know what he might have said to get some help either. Possibly not "Ummm yeah come help me move my wife, I kinda killed her" He could have said "Shes hurt, come quick" the poor lady may have not died straight away and he panicked ( in which case a normal person would call an ambo... ) Im just wondering if he somewhat tricked someone into coming out to help... surely you would not get much response to moving a dead body but you would to "I need help NOW" someone could have gone out there not even knowing what they were getting themselves into..