Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #4

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  • #701
Just looking at what Allison's schedule was for Friday 20th. Pathways did in fact have a Training session that day at West End. It was to go from 9.00am to 4.00pm.

According to Whereis, it is approximately 14kms from her home and would take roughly 20mins travel time. I'm not sure though if she was a 'Trainer' or a 'student'.

Anyone have any info about that?

http://www.pathwayshrc.com.au/

I read somewhere here that she was doing a course with them to become a counsellor or whatever they call them with that program.

As for Whereis, 20 minutes to get to West End from Brookfield is totally wrong at that time of day. I live in the area and used to work at West End, it would take me 45-50 minutes minimum, and that was about 5 years ago - and the traffic is much worse now.
 
  • #702
I read somewhere here that she was doing a course with them to become a counsellor or whatever they call them with that program.

As for Whereis, 20 minutes to get to West End from Brookfield is totally wrong at that time of day. I live in the area and used to work at West End, it would take me 45-50 minutes minimum, and that was about 5 years ago - and the traffic is much worse now.
Travelling from the Southside in to the City is an exercise in patience. And she definitely would have driven. The public transport from Brookfield to West End would be a nightmare too. Frustrating to drive, but the better option.
 
  • #703
GBC with visible scratches on his face,You can see them here...I hope..... :)

Police can't just photogrpah or order the examination of a person. They need a warrant or consent. His lawyers will have resisted. A refusal to submit to such an examination without a warrant cannot later be used as evidence of a consciousness of guilt on the part of an accused. Usually a forensic pathologist will look for signs of defensive wounds on the corpse and investigators will look for possible defensive wounds on suspects. If GBC has consented to examination then they will have photographed the alleged scratches and measured them, noting the depth at each end and making calculations as to the force and angle of the object(s) which caused the trauma. The data from these examinations can often give a very reliable indication as to the height of the person who inflicted the wounds and whether they were offensive or defensive. Facial and torso scratches are very often seen on assailants who strangle a person either by hand or by means of a ligature. There are very often deeper lacerations on the scalp under the hair. This is less often the case where the strangulation takes place on the ground, but not unheard of. If done while standing up, rater than prone, the assailant wil have had both hands occupied and not have been able to use their kness to restraint the victim's arms. Apart from DNA evidence under the nails of the deceased, there can also be nail polish and other chemicals found in the scratches. Without a ligature it takes quite a while to asppyxiate someone and the panic reflex can give the victim enormous strength from adrenlaine release. If strangled while standing up, there can often also be bruises around the legs and groin of the assailant from blows from the victim's legs.
 
  • #704
Do you guys think that an innocent person would hire a solicitor this early in the case? Perhaps it isn't that suspicious since LE did search his property, however.

I just think that if this happened to me and I were innocent, hiring a solicitor would be on the back burner until after I was able to bury my beloved.
 
  • #705
Police can't just photogrpah or order the examination of a person. They need a warrant or consent. His lawyers will have resisted. A refusal to submit to such an examination without a warrant cannot later be used as evidence of a consciousness of guilt on the part of an accused. Usually a forensic pathologist will look for signs of defensive wounds on the corpse and investigators will look for possible defensive wounds on suspects. If GBC has consented to examination then they will have photographed the alleged scratches and measured them, noting the depth at each end and making calculations as to the force and angle of the object(s) which caused the trauma. The data from these examinations can often give a very reliable indication as to the height of the person who inflicted the wounds and whether they were offensive or defensive. Facial and torso scratches are very often seen on assailants who strangle a person either by hand or by means of a ligature. There are very often deeper lacerations on the scalp under the hair. This is less often the case where the strangulation takes place on the ground, but not unheard of. If done while standing up, rater than prone, the assailant wil have had both hands occupied and not have been able to use their kness to restraint the victim's arms. Apart from DNA evidence under the nails of the deceased, there can also be nail polish and other chemicals found in the scratches. Without a ligature it takes quite a while to asppyxiate someone and the panic reflex can give the victim enormous strength from adrenlaine release. If strangled while standing up, there can often also be bruises around the legs and groin of the assailant from blows from the victim's legs.
thanks for your informative and accurate post (again) there is a hell of a lot riding on results of forensics....I wish it didn't take so long
 
  • #706
5) I believe that the person who goes to trial for this will end up trying to sully her name in order to get a reduced sentence.

Yeah, no doubt the offender will try and make out that they are some kind of victim in all this. I'm so sick of the "she was asking for it" BS. There is no excuse for violence, let alone murder.
 
  • #707
I posted this a while back in relation to PolyDot's info re sister arriving from Townsville. I don't think there has been any definite confirmation either way. The info I got was second-hand from a local, and as we have found over recent weeks, some of it is wrong.

"Quote:

Originally Posted by PolyDot
sister from townsville did not arrive till after abc went missing..
i really think his family are not involved

Originally Posted by Strangeworld
I was the one who was told that the sister-in-law took the kids to school the day Allison was reported missing. I have no idea if it is truth or just rumour/gossip. Is anyone 100% sure that she wasn't here already? I have no idea myself. It's hard to know what to believe on here and in the community at the moment. Makes my head spin!

Meant to say too - I don't know what time the kids were taken to school. If his sister in law wasn't already here, maybe she flew in and the kids went to school in the afternoon, to keep them out of the way of all the police, etc. Taking the kids to school at all seems so inappropriate, but that's just me."

Originally Posted by PolyDot
No link - you will have to take it from me ..
friend in common - who told me she flew down on 'weekend' after Allison went missing ie 21 22 April ... very reliable source .. fact to me ..but appreciate not for others
Take it or leave it - just trying to be helpful. End quote.
 
  • #708
Do you guys think that an innocent person would hire a solicitor this early in the case? Perhaps it isn't that suspicious since LE did search his property, however.

I just think that if this happened to me and I were innocent, hiring a solicitor would be on the back burner until after I was able to bury my beloved.

It was reported he hired a criminal lawyer on the day he reported her missing.

A week or so later he hired a barrister also.
 
  • #709
Do you guys think that an innocent person would hire a solicitor this early in the case? Perhaps it isn't that suspicious since LE did search his property, however.

I just think that if this happened to me and I were innocent, hiring a solicitor would be on the back burner until after I was able to bury my beloved.

Thats what he wants us to think. Very manipulative "what other choice did I have" kind of way?
 
  • #710
Hi all,

Someone recently asked this, and I don't think it has been answered.

Has GBC been formally questioned at all? I understand the former colleague has been questioned 3 times (the first time was for 4 hours).

Have we read anywhere that he has even been questioned? Surely they can questioned him, if they have questioned the former colleague. I just don't recall seeing anything about a formal questioning.
 
  • #711
It was reported he hired a criminal lawyer on the day he reported her missing.

A week or so later he hired a barrister also.

OH?! Well there is something very suspicious in just that alone then.:what:
 
  • #712
A massive search team was out searching for his wife & seems all he was interested in was hiring lawyers.

It also seems he not once turned up at the search command post.....

He's lost his wife, and now must make sure the daughters they were bringing up together have a chance at a normal childhood.

But one day they will probably ask the same questions I keep asking myself.

Why didn't you help police search for Mummy? Why didn't you join Grandpa and Nanna at the police press conference and plead for her to come home to us?

Gerard, you don't answer to me. I know that. But they will deserve an answer.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...-of-wife-allison/story-e6frerdf-1226347438707
 
  • #713
Do you guys think that an innocent person would hire a solicitor this early in the case? Perhaps it isn't that suspicious since LE did search his property, however.

I just think that if this happened to me and I were innocent, hiring a solicitor would be on the back burner until after I was able to bury my beloved.


Yes, I feel the same. When ravaged by terror and fear because a loved-one is missing, I wouldn't care what happened to me, so long as I could keep on searching and persuading others to search. The need to find someone you love is all-consuming. You don't notice or feel tiredness, hunger, thirst or pain. You'd leap into a fire if you thought you could find them there. You'd charge through bushes and barbed-wire, your eyes on stalks, trying to will your loved-one into being there. You'd run up or down steep cliffs if someone said they thought they'd seen even a trace of them there. It's like an all-consuming fever. The desperation to find the person you love and all the thoughts of what might have happened to them and the pain of thinking that right now they could be in pain or danger, drives you on. The last thing that would occur to you, if you genuinely loved someone, is the thought or even direct threat that you might end up in court or jail. Imo, anyway
 
  • #714
IMO this is not as simple as we would be lead to believe.

Who is "paying the legal fees"

Who is GBC protecting?

Somone very infuential ?

Who has so much to loose?

What did Allision know?

IMO
 
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  • #716
IMO this is not as simple as we would be lead to believe.

Who is "paying the legal fees"

Who is GBC protecting?

Somone very infuential ?

Who has so much to loose?

What did Allision know?

IMO



Yes. Exactly
 
  • #717
Do you guys think that an innocent person would hire a solicitor this early in the case? Perhaps it isn't that suspicious since LE did search his property, however.

I just think that if this happened to me and I were innocent, hiring a solicitor would be on the back burner until after I was able to bury my beloved.

He would have been advised by the police to do so. I'm not sure an innocent person would lawyer-up with the best criminal defence lawyer in the land though.
 
  • #718
Do you guys think that an innocent person would hire a solicitor this early in the case? Perhaps it isn't that suspicious since LE did search his property, however.

I just think that if this happened to me and I were innocent, hiring a solicitor would be on the back burner until after I was able to bury my beloved.
I can probably except explanation as to why he engaged the services of a solicitor that's living gauge the services of a arguably the best barrister in the area such as you had that would definitely cause me to think there's something he's trying to hide from
 
  • #719
So here I have some theories.

1) GBC engaged the services of lawyers to give him advice as a person of interest, knowing that as the husband the police would immediately suspect him

2) The killer wont make a confession until after being charged, if at all. Why confess to something if you think it's possible that you'll get away with it?

3) There is every chance that the killer researched (even very quickly that night) information on the psychology behind how to get rid of a body. They probably found out that people who are close to a victim usually bury them. So why not do the opposite? They could think that could throw them off his scent, so to speak. Same with the video interviews. Say as little as possible because your actions will speak louder than your words.

4) I don't think that it was premeditated. I believe that she was killed as a consequence of a fight going too far. I think that the police will push for murder, and that the killer will freak out at the possibility of going to jail for a long time when they know that they are in deep **** and will make a plea bargain in order to do the least amount of time possible.

5) I believe that the person who goes to trial for this will end up trying to sully her name in order to get a reduced sentence.

Absolutely agree. Right now, the murderer is hoping they won't have enough evidence to make an arrest, and that is still a possibility. If someone is charged, they and their lawyers will deal with the situation as it comes, depending on the charge, with a goal to get off or at the very least get the most minimal sentence possible.

On Point 5, of course, most abusers have a long list of complaints about their victims and I'm sure it would apply to murderers as well, so if the murderer is known to Allison this would be the case.
 
  • #720
I can probably except explanation as to why he engaged the services of a solicitor that's living gauge the services of a arguably the best barrister in the area such as you had that would definitely cause me to think there's something he's trying to hide from

Or his trying to protect someone someone bigger more influential this will be hughe IMO
 
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