Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #5

[BrizzychickinUSA]

No - it's painted - the lines are too exact.

I just interpreted it as a way of marking 'his and hers' parking spots.

The photo of the cars???? The words SHE...they really dont interest me as much as the TOW BAR on the back of the prado...

Whats that doing there....? WAs that picture taken that first morning the police were informed of ALlisons disapearence?

What has GBC been towing? if its nothing then why is the tow ball so clean and shiny? I used to tow my camper to fraser Coast or where ever, even as a women I would take the ball off, because, you keep bumping into it as you get your shopping out the back...and it bloody hurts....as a man, well they take it off too...mainly because they are scared its going to be knocked off.

If the tow ball had been left on their for so long...it wouldnt be so shiny...it should be the same color as the other tow bar bit....to me that tow ball has just been put on in the last few days...maybe as early as last night?

Maybe the roundabout pics show...prado towing something....??

 

[itsthevibe]

I thought I would just post something here about the women that have been referred to as mistress, business partner, person who has been interviewed etc as it appears there is still some confusion and I think we need to clarify again. Also because there are some newbies here who might not have seen Mod postings/warnings on the previous phase of this topic. Perhaps others who have been around awhile and know more than I do can clarify about my accuracy here, and anyone who wishes to can comment on what I am proposing -

Firstly - Mods have highlighted not to post addresses of people or info regarding streets which get people close to addresses. Also, Mod Kimster posted recently that the issue of GBC having a mistress is only rumour and a Websleuth rule is we dont start rumours so we are not allowed to refer to the mistress.

However, from what I understand we have 2 women we have been discussing to varying degrees about business partnership, being interviewed by police several times, etc. I cant see how we can never mention anything about these aspects again, and I dont think it is a problem if we do. The issue is not to ID them by address or name, or talk about one being a mistress, or confuse the two.

So - what do you think about this, and is this correct?

Woman 1. Refer to her as 'Lady Friend". This is the woman who was interviewed by police several times and who has taken out Legal representation. She may also be relevant to vehicle roundabout movement, but not sure. (some of us have also been calling her the mistress but from now on we leave this out of it and only refer to her in relation to media and police reports about the interviews and legal rep etc.)

Woman 2. Refer to her as 'The Business Partner', or former whichever is correct. This woman is the business partner or former business partner? No other connection relevant.

Is this correct and what do people think about my suggestion? I thought it might be the best way going forward, but I'm not the be all and end all of what we do on here so just putting it out there.

 

[minni]

I tried to post 3 times yesterday a theory I had...for some reason everytime I hit post reply, it logged me out, but i cant get this theory out of my head so I will try again.

It is based on GBC working alone, and that it was not intended to happen and relates to the roundabout vicinity. Its a bit hard to bring up so I apologise but its stuck in my mind.
I noticed on the CCTV that you can see some of the village carpark. Does anyone know if there are industrial bins (SORRY) in the carpark? Someone reported something that they saw in the vicinity of the roundabout, the following morning...and it got me thinking what would be so unusual you would actually call police over it? I think someone putting something in the bins would be odd, but what would be even odder would be someone removing something from the bins....again, I'm sorry to bring it up, but does anyone think this a possibility? I also wonder if one of the cars was used at the early side of the 11.30 - 4am timeframe, and the other family car was used at the latter...I had a reason for why both cars would be placed at the scene of interest (ie roundabout area) but have lost my thoughtsw on why that was relevant to me, I think it had something to do with contamination in one of the cars... I know it seems like a stupid thing to do, but in the immediate aftermath of an accidental killing, you would surely be in panic mode and not thinking clearly....any thoughts???

can anyone think of any specific unusual events that would make you report to police? I once saw a car fly down a culdesac, and a man got out with a sports bag and the car took off, about 1 minute later another car came flying down the street and picked up the man. We reported it, but never heard any more of it....looked like some kind of robbery to me!

 

[minni]

I thought I would just post something here about the women that have been referred to as mistress, business partner, person who has been interviewed etc as it appears there is still some confusion and I think we need to clarify again. Also because there are some newbies here who might not have seen Mod postings/warnings on the previous phase of this topic. Perhaps others who have been around awhile and know more than I do can clarify about my accuracy here, and anyone who wishes to can comment on what I am proposing -

Firstly - Mods have highlighted not to post addresses of people or info regarding streets which get people close to addresses. Also, Mod Kimster posted recently that the issue of GBC having a mistress is only rumour and a Websleuth rule is we dont start rumours so we are not allowed to refer to the mistress.

However, from what I understand we have 2 women we have been discussing to varying degrees about business partnership, being interviewed by police several times, etc. I cant see how we can never mention anything about these aspects again, and I dont think it is a problem if we do. The issue is not to ID them by address or name, or talk about one being a mistress, or confuse the two.

So - what do you think about this, and is this correct?

Woman 1. Refer to her as 'Lady Friend". This is the woman who was interviewed by police several times and who has taken out Legal representation. She may also be relevant to vehicle roundabout movement, but not sure. (some of us have also been calling her the mistress but from now on we leave this out of it and only refer to her in relation to media and police reports about the interviews and legal rep etc.)

Woman 2. Refer to her as 'The Business Partner', or former whichever is correct. This woman is the business partner or former business partner? No other connection relevant.

Is this correct and what do people think about my suggestion? I thought it might be the best way going forward, but I'm not the be all and end all of what we do on here so just putting it out there.

I agree with you that there are 2 woman and your descriptions of both, however really don't know about woman no. 1 and a connection to roundabout? having said that, I have jumped ahead here and not really read the last 15 or so pages..just glimpsed them ( i needed a little break from this!!)

 

[Portsmouth71]

Agree with earlier post, he and maybe girlfriend have already done some sort of deal with police and arrests or giving themselves up will not occur until after funeral.

Police have effectively shut down the investigation, they have their culprits. At this stage they would normally be pleading for information, would be continuing with searches.

All over red rover.

 

[Blue Bottle]

What has GBC been towing? if its nothing then why is the tow ball so clean and shiny? I used to tow my camper to fraser Coast or where ever, even as a women I would take the ball off, because, you keep bumping into it as you get your shopping out the back...and it bloody hurts....as a man, well they take it off too...mainly because they are scared its going to be knocked off.

If the tow ball had been left on their for so long...it wouldnt be so shiny...it should be the same color as the other tow bar bit....to me that tow ball has just been put on in the last few days...maybe as early as last night?

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I guess everyone is different. I drive a ute and leave my tow ball on all the time because I can't be bothered taking it off and it's still shiny enough. The whole tow thingy gagetry is extra long too. Never bothers me when I put stuff in the back because I know it's there and have learnt to avoid it.

Newish car would mean a still shiny towball.

 

[crimecat]

Hi all,

As a former journalist (now a media lecturer), I have been following this thread with great interest, however I am concerned about the legalities of most of the discussions. Anything that is said (or alluded to) about any person can result in a defamation action. It doesn't matter whether you name the person or not; it only matters whether the judge feels it is "reasonable" to assume that a discussion relates to the person who is suing. This is why the media have been so careful in their reportage of this event so far. The risks of identifying anyone, or making claims about guilt, are too great. While the laws in the US surrounding freedom of speech are quite liberal, we don't have this same protection in Australia. In this country (Australia), it is also not a legal defence to qualify a statement with "in my opinion". Here's a quote from media law expert Mark Pearson:

If that were the case (regarding the use of IMO), it would be allowable to write such defamatory statements as 'In my opinion, the honourable member is a liar, a cheat, a pervert and a serial killer'. No, the court will allow for opinion ONLY where that opinion can be proven to be based on true (provable) facts.

So this means that if any person under discussion in this thread is found guilty in court then there is no risk of defamation arising from speculation, however if the person is not convicted (for whatever reason - including a "technicality") then that person could sue for defamation. This is why the QPS page is so vigilant about deleting comments. They cannot risk hosting a forum that contains any defamatory comments or they will be held liable (along with the poster of the comment).

I don't know how the situation with a forum like this would differ, and maybe one of the mods could answer? Don't get me wrong - I'm as interested in the details as everyone else, but I just don't want to see any repercussions arise when I know you are all just trying to get to the bottom of this tragedy.

 

[Keyboredom]

Agree with earlier post, he and maybe girlfriend have already done some sort of deal with police and arrests or giving themselves up will not occur until after funeral.

Police have effectively shut down the investigation, they have their culprits. At this stage they would normally be pleading for information, would be continuing with searches.

All over red rover.

In my opinion you're pretty close with that assumption. I don't think a deal has been done yet, but the process of working out who the prime suspect/s is/are, is over.

 

[BrizzychickinUSA]

I tried to post 3 times yesterday a theory I had...for some reason everytime I hit post reply, it logged me out, but i cant get this theory out of my head so I will try again.

It is based on GBC working alone, and that it was not intended to happen and relates to the roundabout vicinity. Its a bit hard to bring up so I apologise but its stuck in my mind.
I noticed on the CCTV that you can see some of the village carpark. Does anyone know if there are industrial bins (SORRY) in the carpark? Someone reported something that they saw in the vicinity of the roundabout, the following morning...and it got me thinking what would be so unusual you would actually call police over it? I think someone putting something in the bins would be odd, but what would be even odder would be someone removing something from the bins....again, I'm sorry to bring it up, but does anyone think this a possibility? I also wonder if one of the cars was used at the early side of the 11.30 - 4am timeframe, and the other family car was used at the latter...I had a reason for why both cars would be placed at the scene of interest (ie roundabout area) but have lost my thoughtsw on why that was relevant to me, I think it had something to do with contamination in one of the cars... I know it seems like a stupid thing to do, but in the immediate aftermath of an accidental killing, you would surely be in panic mode and not thinking clearly....any thoughts???

yeah....I reckon your on to something....he tows the trailer, with the prado to the site of ABC's bush track resting place. didnt want to toss out anything else there bc it may give away his secret hiding place....so he tosses that stuff in the bin at the shopping centre.

Gets back to the house....un hooks the trailer, then when he gets in side, he notices something else in the house that he has to get rid of...panicking, he doesnt want to take the white car...it stands out too much - so he dashes down in the dark holden and throws more things in another industrial bin...???

maybe....???

 

[Obsessor]

While the discussion was about pre-meditated or not recently, I came to thinking I think it was.
Reasons could vary from any of these to several:

- kids not home. (even though there was an argument it seems, he let himself go much firther this time than ever before, indicating that he had perhaps considered the "benefits" of doing her in before).

- a very false look of sadness. No hint of shock or disbelief IMO

- financial problems and a possible monetary win from an insurance payout.

- the desire for life to carry on as "normal". As someone else said on here once (many threads ago) what is normal about your wife and mother going missing for goodness sake.

- the "dumping" of the body as if it was no longer of any use, like rubbish.

- the apparent lack of love and respect he has shown towards her for a long time- ie, relinquishing her profile to bottom of the page on C21 website

- if truly narcissistic, which I believe he shows himself to be, then he would have very little regard for her as a person or a mother once he considered herself past "useful" as an ego feed for himself. I think he shows this by keeping anything to do with her as if it is of minor concern.

- and lastly, and not really sure how you guys feel about me mentioning this, is the recent "back to normal" weekend he had with friends of the couple and the kids on the GC. How on earth did the friends feel about acting "normal" all weekend? I cant imagine how it would have been.

Just thoughts and observations. Its all so disturbing. I too feel like its taken over my life for the past couple of weeks. I hope someone pays for this crime!!!

 

[CaseClosed]

The two younger Baden-Clays started at Toowoomba Prep (THE most expensive private school in Toowoomba) in 1983, so that is when the family would have first come to Toowoomba. It shows acute consciousness about social standing to send children there.

I beg to disagree. I lived 12 years in Cairns and sent my daughter to the best co-ed private school there, and I'm just a normal person (single parent), who works hard to give my child a good education (which has nothing to do with social standing).

 

[minni]

yeah....I reckon your on to something....he tows the trailer, with the prado to the site of ABC's bush track resting place. didnt want to toss out anything else there bc it may give away his secret hiding place....so he tosses that stuff in the bin at the shopping centre.

Gets back to the house....un hooks the trailer, then when he gets in side, he notices something else in the house that he has to get rid of...panicking, he doesnt want to take the white car...it stands out too much - so he dashes down in the dark holden and throws more things in another industrial bin...???

maybe....???

very possible, but as awful as this sounds...I was actually thinking maybe he disposed of her (God, sorry again) in the bin in a world of panic, then as time wore on he got his head together and went back to put her somewhere that she wouldn't be found? I try to think what I would do if I had done what he did..and I guess I would want to remove evidence from house ASAP but would not be thinking clearly AT ALL

 

[BrizzychickinUSA]

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I guess everyone is different. I drive a ute and leave my tow ball on all the time because I can't be bothered taking it off and it's still shiny enough. The whole tow thingy gagetry is extra long too. Never bothers me when I put stuff in the back because I know it's there and have learnt to avoid it.

Newish car would mean a still shiny towball.

I had a new land cruiser...still didnt shine up like that....and

your a bloke - yeah??? if you are, you probably dont do the shopping like us women, or get kids in and out the back like women have to...not only does the ball thingy bang you on your thigh, but it bites the kids too...its a bloody pain in the arse...in a ute, you dont tend to put shopping in the back...cos it all falls out of bags and rolls around etc...in a prado...(had one of them too) you open the door from the side...and have to manage the heavy bags etc in the shopping centre car parks like indro, its all dark and you hit your leg on it...but i just remember what it was like and if ABC is driving prado....cos she has the kids more...then that ball thing would be off....IMHO

 

[Paradox11]

I thought I would just post something here about the women that have been referred to as mistress, business partner, person who has been interviewed etc as it appears there is still some confusion and I think we need to clarify again. Also because there are some newbies here who might not have seen Mod postings/warnings on the previous phase of this topic. Perhaps others who have been around awhile and know more than I do can clarify about my accuracy here, and anyone who wishes to can comment on what I am proposing -

Firstly - Mods have highlighted not to post addresses of people or info regarding streets which get people close to addresses. Also, Mod Kimster posted recently that the issue of GBC having a mistress is only rumour and a Websleuth rule is we dont start rumours so we are not allowed to refer to the mistress.

However, from what I understand we have 2 women we have been discussing to varying degrees about business partnership, being interviewed by police several times, etc. I cant see how we can never mention anything about these aspects again, and I dont think it is a problem if we do. The issue is not to ID them by address or name, or talk about one being a mistress, or confuse the two.

So - what do you think about this, and is this correct?

Woman 1. Refer to her as 'Lady Friend". This is the woman who was interviewed by police several times and who has taken out Legal representation. She may also be relevant to vehicle roundabout movement, but not sure. (some of us have also been calling her the mistress but from now on we leave this out of it and only refer to her in relation to media and police reports about the interviews and legal rep etc.)

Woman 2. Refer to her as 'The Business Partner', or former whichever is correct. This woman is the business partner or former business partner? No other connection relevant.

Is this correct and what do people think about my suggestion? I thought it might be the best way going forward, but I'm not the be all and end all of what we do on here so just putting it out there.

It's a good idea but in a few pages time with posters coming and going no one is going to know which is which again.

It seems to me that the business partner has nothing to do with it anyway. It was speculation by someone that she must be the woman being interviewed, but there is no evidence to suggest this is so, so I'm not sure there's any good reason to be discussing her at all.

All we know for sure is that a woman, an ex-colleague, has been interviewed several times, and it's probably safe to assume that she is the one who it was reported has hired a lawyer. Who she is though, remains a mystery.

 

[Blue Bottle]

Agree with earlier post, he and maybe girlfriend have already done some sort of deal with police and arrests or giving themselves up will not occur until after funeral.

Police have effectively shut down the investigation, they have their culprits. At this stage they would normally be pleading for information, would be continuing with searches.

All over red rover.

I find it hard to believe that they haven't made an arrest if they were certain who did it. Never heard of police putting off arresting someone for any funeral or any other event the cuplrit may have planned. Children or no children.

I could be wrong, but once the police know who the culprit is, it doesn't seem normal to allow a criminal to be still roaming around loose, potentially putting others in danger.

I thought that only a court can determine if someone is allowed out with bail or what sort of a risk they are to the public (or allow to attend a funeral once an arrest is made).

 

[minni]

- and lastly, and not really sure how you guys feel about me mentioning this, is the recent "back to normal" weekend he had with friends of the couple and the kids on the GC. How on earth did the friends feel about acting "normal" all weekend? I cant imagine how it would have been.

Just thoughts and observations. Its all so disturbing. I too feel like its taken over my life for the past couple of weeks. I hope someone pays for this crime!!!

that weekend has bugged me for days!! what exactly did they do? I can't picture a weekend with friends, acting normal...all I can accept from that is that it would be nice for the girls, maybe that would be enough but its bugged me all the same

 

[Humdinger]

I disagree with the tow ball thing, I never take mine off, even though I've skinned my shin a few times LOL, I actually don't know of anyone who does take theirs off, so to me that's not odd at all. Not saying your wrong, but just that it's not necessarily common practice to remove tow balls.

Minni, I think the bin theory could be valid as there is video footage of commercial bins being searched and there have been mentions about them. I think it would make sense to dump stuff and then go oops!
Not necessarily something that would make you call police immediately, but definitely once Allison was reported missing some one might go' oh yeah I did see someone dumping rubbish there'.

 

[possumheart]

I beg to disagree. I lived 12 years in Cairns and sent my daughter to the best co-ed private school there, and I'm just a normal person (single parent), who works hard to give my child a good education (which has nothing to do with social standing).

I wasn't making a judgement. It is known well as the most expensive school. Most parents look for the best school, rather than the most expensive one. They are not always the same thing.

 

[BrizzychickinUSA]

very possible, but as awful as this sounds...I was actually thinking maybe he disposed of her (God, sorry again) in the bin in a world of panic, then as time wore on he got his head together and went back to put her somewhere that she wouldn't be found? I try to think what I would do if I had done what he did..and I guess I would want to remove evidence from house ASAP but would not be thinking clearly AT ALL

yeah...I see that could have easily occurred....makes sense to me...I just question how he could have had the strength to throw her into the bin...the sides of them things are high up....i put some rubbish into a few when I was leaving to come to the usa...

 

[Limaes]

As far as being sued by comments made on here, there was a situation about three years ago where an Aussie guy was publishing a website where you could "dob in" someone who you considered to be guilty of a "dog act". One person in particular had some terrible things published about them and started court proceedings against this Aussie guy. He could not be sued because even though he is based in Australia, his website was hosted on an American server which meant it was not under Australian duristriction.

This forum is hosted on an American server so perhaps it is the same case. That said, the lady who owns this forum is very professional with high morals and that is how this place operates, which is why people need to provide links when referring to something.