Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #8

[spratsmum]

If we can trust this Local Bulletin info then it is giving us a few bits more of what went on Thurs morn... see what you guys think?

SO how does GBC do that Thursday morn- GBC went to the CoC meeting at the Tavern at 7:00am (where was Allison at this time? where had GBC supposedly lodged for the nite?) and apparently then by 7:30 the meeting must have finished and he arrives at Allisons house again (it is less than a 10min drive Tavern to the house) and then suddenly makes the frantic calls to friends and family and to the police to report Allison missing. (Straight after heads of to the chemist (opens at either 8 or 8:30) to get -well probably some super heavy duty headache tablets and possibly something that will help him forget the night he has just put himself through. (there are 3 chemists he could have visited one at the Tavern shopping Ctr where Allison got her Hair done and one at the village at the roundabout thre is another at the roundabout near a gym and bakery opposite Kenmore State School.)

As far as that timeline goes from when Allison dissappeared - can we assume he left Allison watching the foot show at 10pm.... Then GBC decided that she must have taken her 'usual' walk at 5:30 am but was not back by 7:30 (don't forget Allison would have probably left before/at this time to go to her conference - Brookfield to West End would require a commuter to do this at this time of day) Why the need to visit her at 7:30? If they were not staying together - there was no reason in the world for him to call her that morning and not expect to get her voicemail - especially if she was going to a conference.(He would ostensibly know about the conference ABC was attending having had the kids at his parents house for a sleepover for this reason.)

Gosh I think I need a hand here.... anyone?

thursday the 19th of April was the day Allison disappeared but at 10 pm, the Chamber of Commerce breakfast and the chemist visit were in the morning of the 19th, prior to the disappearance

 

[543]

:seeya:Welcome back 543! A lot of water under the bridge since you were last here. I cannot for the life of me given everything else how the phone not being found (ie Allison's phone) points to it not being the husband. Sorry but the logic simply evades me. And what makes you think she was run over, or want to think she was run over when in fact the police have stated that Allison knew her murderer?

Hi Rational
There are many unlit areas along the route that poor Allison took...also, many areas that she could have been run over. A screach and a thud is not necessarily so.....but a scream....yes! The person possibly had a previous DUI or record as previously stated.
It is not logical to leave the phone on! I really believe that the family had nothing to do with poor Allison.
I, including everyone else, are waiting for the forensic report.
Just wish that the police do some really smart investigating and get the perps. behind bars asap.:twocents:

 

[Thinking]

If the Honda (car GBC crashed) is the same car that was seen with the white 4wd at Anstead, how silly to draw focus to it by crashing it! He would know it would be checked over after the crash?

I think more likely the second 4wd was the captiva or another car altogether...

 

[linette]

If we can trust this Local Bulletin info then it is giving us a few bits more of what went on Thurs morn... see what you guys think?

SO how does GBC do that Thursday morn- GBC went to the CoC meeting at the Tavern at 7:00am (where was Allison at this time? where had GBC supposedly lodged for the nite?) and apparently then by 7:30 the meeting must have finished and he arrives at Allisons house again (it is less than a 10min drive Tavern to the house) and then suddenly makes the frantic calls to friends and family and to the police to report Allison missing. (Straight after heads of to the chemist (opens at either 8 or 8:30) to get -well probably some super heavy duty headache tablets and possibly something that will help him forget the night he has just put himself through. (there are 3 chemists he could have visited one at the Tavern shopping Ctr where Allison got her Hair done and one at the village at the roundabout thre is another at the roundabout near a gym and bakery opposite Kenmore State School.)

As far as that timeline goes from when Allison dissappeared - can we assume he left Allison watching the foot show at 10pm.... Then GBC decided that she must have taken her 'usual' walk at 5:30 am but was not back by 7:30 (don't forget Allison would have probably left before/at this time to go to her conference - Brookfield to West End would require a commuter to do this at this time of day) Why the need to visit her at 7:30? If they were not staying together - there was no reason in the world for him to call her that morning and not expect to get her voicemail - especially if she was going to a conference.(He would ostensibly know about the conference ABC was attending having had the kids at his parents house for a sleepover for this reason.)

Gosh I think I need a hand here.... anyone?

I'm sure it said the meeting was the THURSDAY morning at 7am... she disappeared that night or friday morning. There doesn't seem to be any evidence that they weren't living together.

 

[Kimster]

If the Honda (car GBC crashed) is the same car that was seen with the white 4wd at Anstead, how silly to draw focus to it by crashing it! He would know it would be checked over after the crash?

I think more likely the second 4wd was the captiva or another car altogether...

I keep thinking about that crash too. And I can't think of one way that by crashing a car, it would be beneficial to hiding evidence of a crime. He was probably just preoccupied with thoughts of everything happening and didn't pay attention to what he was doing. That's MOO. :moo:

 

[BrissyLass]

IF he is the culprit, IMO we can't forget that normal husbands don't kill their wives (accidentally or premeditated). We cannot forget that it appears she was a victim of DV and that is unforgivable. We can't forget that he had a choice: Call an ambulance! We can't forget that he choose what followed after she had passed. We can't forget that if he is the perp, those girls lifes are basically ruined and they will live traumatised for the rest of their existence!

Absolutely, I couldn't agree more "normal" people certainly do not kill other people

 

[Berry]

yeah i wondered how you'd get a colour, unless in well-lit area.

Passing them if they are too slow? Maybe catch the colours then.

But also it was no moon night...new moon exactly...so dark night.

 

[Mani]

Totally agree re the lights, tried to post that myself earlier but forum went down.
Also one would think the last thing they would want would be to be involved in any kind of accident.
Another point I don't understand using 2 cars, just doubles the chances of being pulled up or forensics left on tyres etc.

I thought a similar thing - why two cars? Maybe the car broke down and needed a tow. Now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.
How would you explain that to a friend/family member in the dead of night?

 

[reveal]

There was much more made of ABCs 'depression' and her being a 'missing-person' (at least by the family) early on. If that was significant to the person who killed her, here's a theory:

1. ABC is killed in a non-premeditated domestic argument.
2. The person who killed her panics, tries to think of how to deal with it & decides to make it look like she left home unhappy and drove somewhere to kill herself.
3. A plan is hatched to dispose of the body in a way that looks like suicide i.e. that ABC took a car to the bridge and jumped off it (for example). This plan would disguise injuries / cause of death and fit with her 'depression'. By this time the person who killed her has drawn in someone to assist with the plan.
4. They take ABC's body in the family 4WD and drive another car towards the bridge. The intention is to leave the family car at the suicide location so they need another car to get away in.
5. But on the way, the person who killed ABC realises the plan is full of holes. It isn't going to work (i.e. the realisation that someone is likely to see them dumping the body or call police about the car on the bridge etc) so the plan is changed. A new plan is clumsily hatched: dump the body somewhere it won't be likely to be found easily (i.e in water in the isolated bush near the Scout camp) and get the hell out of there with both cars before they are discovered missing.
6. The person who assisted is scared and wants nothing more to do with it. The person who killed ABC goes with a vague 'she must have gone for a walk sometime, she was depressed' response to questioning and the family are initially sold on that one.

 

[Rational]

Hi Rational
There are many unlit areas along the route that poor Allison took...also, many areas that she could have been run over. A screach and a thud is not necessarily so.....but a scream....yes! The person possibly had a previous DUI or record as previously stated.
It is not logical to leave the phone on! I really believe that the family had nothing to do with poor Allison.
I, including everyone else, are waiting for the forensic report.
Just wish that the police do some really smart investigating and get the perps. behind bars asap.:twocents:

Ok running out of time, but:
I cannot remember reading anywhere what route Allison took or indeed a confirmation that she in fact went for a walk. Maybe you are privy to info we don't have.
As for leaving the phone on, my phone is on 24/7, if I don't want calls I turn it to night setting.
As for run over this does not fit in any way as there would have been witnesses, other accounts Etc.
You are entitled to your views ('and I will defend your right to do so') but I believe I am entitled to think you are trying to lead us up the garden paths.:moo:

 

[reveal]

4. They take ABC's body in the family 4WD and drive another car towards the bridge.

This 'other car' probably belongs to the person who was drawn in to assist dispose of the body.

 

[Cccclllaareb]

I thought a similar thing - why two cars? Maybe the car broke down and needed a tow. Now that would put the cat amongst the pigeons.
How would you explain that to a friend/family member in the dead of night?

Maybe one was going to be a sort of lookout?

 

[coolcat]

:floorlaugh: I'm sorry my mind went to another image there of Gerads 'tow ball' :floorlaugh:

I think that is what GBC'S problem was...To much polishing of his Towball....Look at the trouble it has caused him....Better to have a rusty towball GBC

 

[Ixnaye]

Hi Rational
There are many unlit areas along the route that poor Allison took...also, many areas that she could have been run over. A screach and a thud is not necessarily so.....but a scream....yes! The person possibly had a previous DUI or record as previously stated.
It is not logical to leave the phone on! I really believe that the family had nothing to do with poor Allison.
I, including everyone else, are waiting for the forensic report.
Just wish that the police do some really smart investigating and get the perps. behind bars asap.:twocents:

Seriously 543 why do you think a killer would bother to turn a phone off? If a victim is dead they are not going to use the phone so why do you think any killer would take the time to ensure that they turned off a phone. The phone was dumped/left, thrown away whatever, whether turned on or off was of no consequence for the person responsible.

Personally I think it was thrown away as far from the location of the murder and the location of Allison's body as possible in order to throw the police off track, and confuse them as much as possible.

 

[Kimster]

CHIT CHAT ROOM - Here's the link! Be sure to share it with all cobbers.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



(Please note this chat room is in our private forum. Only members of Websleuths can view the chat room. It is for chat only and not discussion of this case). And I've added the link to the opening post for easy access.

:bump:

Remember this if you guys want to chat amongst yourselves about things NOT related to Allison's murder.

 

[AllyG]

Hey 543. What makes you so damn certain? There is nothing that has been published that in anyway points to GBC not being involved.

 

[rhb]

There was much more made of ABCs 'depression' and her being a 'missing-person' (at least by the family) early on. If that was significant to the person who killed her, here's a theory:

1. ABC is killed in a non-premeditated domestic argument.
2. The person who killed her panics, tries to think of how to deal with it & decides to make it look like she left home unhappy and drove somewhere to kill herself.
3. A plan is hatched to dispose of the body in a way that looks like suicide i.e. that ABC took a car to the bridge and jumped off it (for example). This plan would disguise injuries / cause of death and fit with her 'depression'. By this time the person who killed her has drawn in someone to assist with the plan.
4. They take ABC's body in the family 4WD and drive another car towards the bridge. The intention is to leave the family car at the suicide location so they need another car to get away in.
5. But on the way, the person who killed ABC realises the plan is full of holes. It isn't going to work (i.e. the realisation that someone is likely to see them dumping the body or call police about the car on the bridge etc) so the plan is changed. A new plan is clumsily hatched: dump the body somewhere it won't be likely to be found easily (i.e in water in the isolated bush near the Scout camp) and get the hell out of there with both cars before they are discovered missing.
6. The person who assisted is scared and wants nothing more to do with it. The person who killed ABC goes with a vague 'she must have gone for a walk sometime, she was depressed' response to questioning and the family are initially sold on that one.

That's a great theory! Certainly "food for thought" imo.

 

[Fuskier]

First time poster here...hi all, I have been lurking and reading along with these threads for some time.


I have been quietly reading along and have not been sure how to put into words my thoughts on all of this, but this post by rhb is along the same thoughts and feelings I tend to have, I also beleive that the grief which was evident on GBC's face at the funeral was genuine, I have no doubt whatsoever that he loves his children, and yes....IMO if he is found to be the one who has committed this crime then he really would be in the "OMG what have I done phase" right now, I shudder to think how awful it must be to be living that every minute of the day....


look forward to more reading along

These comments are speculating on what GBC may think or feel. These comments are interpreting through the author's own empathy. He may, in fact, think or feel none of these things. We wish that he loves his children. We want it to be so. We speculate that he may feel remorse. BUT we are creating all of this. The fact is we don't know! However, we do know that Allison, a young and vibrant mother to 3 little girls, was brutally murdered, her life ended at the age of 43 years and her body discarded like trash. The perpetrator will be judged in a Court of Law and hopefully proved guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Justice needs to be done.

 

[Champagne4lulu]

Hi Rational
There are many unlit areas along the route that poor Allison took...also, many areas that she could have been run over. A screach and a thud is not necessarily so.....but a scream....yes! The person possibly had a previous DUI or record as previously stated.
It is not logical to leave the phone on! I really believe that the family had nothing to do with poor Allison.
I, including everyone else, are waiting for the forensic report.
Just wish that the police do some really smart investigating and get the perps. behind bars asap.:twocents:

Didn't reports say there was no indication of foul play or words to that effect. I can't remember the exact wording but IMO a hit and run would have been mentioned as a possibility in the very least. I'm not sure why you are so insistent that it is?
:banghead:

 

[Mani]

If we can trust this Local Bulletin info then it is giving us a few bits more of what went on Thurs morn... see what you guys think?
(respectfully snipped)

As far as that timeline goes from when Allison dissappeared - can we assume he left Allison watching the foot show at 10pm.... Then GBC decided that she must have taken her 'usual' walk at 5:30 am but was not back by 7:30 (don't forget Allison would have probably left before/at this time to go to her conference - Brookfield to West End would require a commuter to do this at this time of day) Why the need to visit her at 7:30? If they were not staying together - there was no reason in the world for him to call her that morning and not expect to get her voicemail - especially if she was going to a conference.(He would ostensibly know about the conference ABC was attending having had the kids at his parents house for a sleepover for this reason.)

Gosh I think I need a hand here.... anyone?

Liadan, after reading many of your posts throughout the forum, you have made some excellent points and raised some theories.

It has been posted on here by a local I think how awful the public transport is from Brookfield to Brisbane, so wouldn't Allison have taken her car to West End? Hence, if the car was at the house at 7.30am, that would have been out of place as she should have left for her conference.....But.....if as someone previously mentioned, that Allison's car was left at the showground, then if GBC arrived at the house the next morning, it would look like Allison had already left for the trip to West End.