Australia - Baillee Schneider, 25, found deceased at home, Melbourne, 24 June 2018

[SouthAussie]

I don't think this case ever had an inquest.

From what I understand in Victoria, all 'unexpected' deaths are sent to one of the coroners to investigate. They determine the identity of the deceased and the circumstances surrounding the death. All this is done 'in chambers' meaning it's done at the coroner's office. It's not public nor is it a hearing. Police assist with the investigation and there are usually people interviewed such as family and witnesses. Many times, this is sufficient, the case is closed and a 'finding without inquest' is published.

Only a very small percentage of cases progress to an inquest and court room. I think these are when a death might be part of a bigger issue, relating to matters of public safety. An inquest has the same elements of the initial investigation - to determine the circumstances of the death, but they also bring in experts and include discussion on whether the death was preventable, and the coroner might add recommendations in the findings intended to improve the safety of the community.

I guess the main thing to remember is that coroners don't ever find people guilty. It's not their purpose. I don't think they can actually say, "this person is responsible for the death'.

I don't know that a case like Baillee's would ever have made it to inquest. You know how in an earlier article you posted, it said the case was forwarded to homicide? Well, if homicide found proof of suspicious circumstances or Ant's involvement, then the coroner would probably place their investigation on hold, Ant would have been charged, and a new case would begin at one of the criminal courts (coroner's court isn't criminal, jut inquisitorial, hence the term inquest). Once that is complete, the coroner would finalise their finding, and they may or may not agree with the criminal court outcome.

I've heard of a few cases where the criminal court let someone off the hook but the coroner made a point to include in their findings that the circumstances showed possible involvement from so and so. Lol.

Having said all that, I do believe the family can appeal the findings. And they can do this by first asking to see the file.

Podcasters and media can also ask for the file. I hope someone does because I'd like to know what Ant's alibi was as well as some of their texts. Is Ant bullying these girls to death?

Hope that makes sense.

Yes, I wonder if he is bullying them to death as well. Playing psychological games with their lives.

 

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I guess what I find most remarkable is that they both found very unusual ways to go. There are a million other conventional, obvious, tried and true ways, but they just happened to impulseively choose the most creative?

I will never forget Ant said Phoebe's phone was at the repairman's since the day before. When if finally appeared, a bunch of stuff was missing.

And in this case, early media reports said that Baillee had two phones and one was missing. Not sure if that is true or if they ever found it. Police also deemed there to be no sign of struggle. But let's be honest, if you kill on the regular you might have learnt how to fix a scene.

 

[SouthAussie]

I guess what I find most remarkable is that they both found very unusual ways to go. There are a million other conventional, obvious, tried and true ways, but they just happened to impulseively choose the most creative?

I will never forget Ant said Phoebe's phone was at the repairman's since the day before. When if finally appeared, a bunch of stuff was missing.

And in this case, early media reports said that Baillee had two phones and one was missing. Not sure if that is true or if they ever found it. Police also deemed there to be no sign of struggle. But let's be honest, if you kill on the regular you might have learnt how to fix a scene.

I wonder if he didn't goad them with "why don't you just hang yourself/throw yourself down the rubbish chute, I don't want you, no-one wants you". He is much older than both Phoebe and Baillee were - and maybe prefers beautiful, vulnerable, young women who have a fragile and dependent nature.

 

[Eloise]

Baillee is mentioned in this article.


Fresh questions over bizarre death of Melbourne woman Phoebe Handsjuk who fell 12-storeys to her death in a garbage chute

 

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Baillee is mentioned in this article.


Fresh questions over bizarre death of Melbourne woman Phoebe Handsjuk who fell 12-storeys to her death in a garbage chute

Wow, that little video of the model trying to get into the chute convinces me that Phoebe did not climb into the chute by herself. It would have been impossible.

Do we have a thread for Phoebe?

ETA ... Australia - Phoebe Handsjuk, 24, found dead in Melbourne apt building, 2 Dec 2010