Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #12

[PrimeSuspect]

My initial thought on this phone call business is that it was likely a prank call rather than the actual rapist but something just struck me which I guess makes this a little more likely in my mind now. No amount of reverse directory searching or Telstra know how could have got the phone number without a name. Depending on how common the name was perhaps you'd also need an address or you'd risk calling the wrong place.

One thing we do know is that the KK victim's licence was found and given to the police almost a year later by a local who found it in Rowe Park. Well, at least according to the post who have a pretty good record of being accurate in this case. In earlier discussions with others on WS it was concluded that it must have been dropped in the initial struggle but given the report of the phone call by the earlier victim I think it cant be discounted that the rapist's MO was to take licences to enable him to make phone contact later. On the negative side of this equation I've never heard of KK victim receiving similar calls. Sadly SS family received too many calls from crack pots to know if one was really the person responsible.

Obviously the girl who received the call believes it was from the rapist. Has anyone heard if the caller gave specific information that only the rapist would have known? How did she know it wasn't a prank?

That's incorrect, a Telstra employee who has access to a certain system can find a phone number without a name, all that is needed is an address.

 

[pauldking]

That's incorrect, a Telstra employee who has access to a certain system can find a phone number without a name, all that is needed is an address.

...and when BRE was President of BLAC and his wife Registrar he had access to contact details for children in the Belmont area... Remember the analysis of his handwriting from his president's report in thread #8 he described the 17s age group as 'charismatic'

 

[tiff]

That's incorrect, a Telstra employee who has access to a certain system can find a phone number without a name, all that is needed is an address.

I will call that absolute rubbish.
We lived in our bit of suburbia for over 20 years.
Go to dry cleaners. They ask for ur home phone number.
Queried why.
They bought the list like 1990.

Edit..had our addy, and names.


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[CP345]

That's incorrect, a Telstra employee who has access to a certain system can find a phone number without a name, all that is needed is an address.

Okay, even so where would he get an address of somebody who was his rape victim? I doubt he would have asked politely after the event. You'd still be needing the licence.

 

[KG1]

I found this article from news.com.au that you might be interested in:

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...e/news-story/5ac52b3eee7649661bebaf116c9356da

So the appearance will be via video link it appears.

 

[tiff]

Okay, even so where would he get an address of somebody who was his rape victim? I doubt he would have asked politely after the event. You'd still be needing the licence.

Anyone who has a drivers licence in their handbag possibly.


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[tiff]

...and when BRE was President of BLAC and his wife Registrar he had access to contact details for children in the Belmont area... Remember the analysis of his handwriting from his president's report in thread #8 he described the 17s age group as 'charismatic'

Don't blur or confuse handwriting with style.



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[elastic]

My initial thought on this phone call business is that it was likely a prank call rather than the actual rapist but something just struck me which I guess makes this a little more likely in my mind now. No amount of reverse directory searching or Telstra know how could have got the phone number without a name. Depending on how common the name was perhaps you'd also need an address or you'd risk calling the wrong place.

One thing we do know is that the KK victim's licence was found and given to the police almost a year later by a local who found it in Rowe Park. Well, at least according to the post who have a pretty good record of being accurate in this case. In earlier discussions with others on WS it was concluded that it must have been dropped in the initial struggle but given the report of the phone call by the earlier victim I think it cant be discounted that the rapist's MO was to take licences to enable him to make phone contact later. On the negative side of this equation I've never heard of KK victim receiving similar calls. Sadly SS family received too many calls from crack pots to know if one was really the person responsible.

Obviously the girl who received the call believes it was from the rapist. Has anyone heard if the caller gave specific information that only the rapist would have known? How did she know it wasn't a prank?

Actually you can get phone numbers from addresses in the Telstra databases without a name. I know this for certain.

When i implied he knew the rape victims address i was assuming this based on his earlier MO of breaking into homes. You would be able to get the address or know the address of the home you may have broken into and raped someone. Karrakatta happened much later than this initial rape from what i can gather which was when he changed to abduction, this is when he took the license apparently. But a license doesnt have a phone number so you are back to square one really with only the name and address as opposed to just the address which again wouldn't be a problem for a Telstra employee.

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[CP345]

Anyone who has a drivers licence in their handbag possibly.


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That was my point. The KK victims licence was found some time later in Rowe park. I originally assumed it had fallen out of the bag in the blitz attack. Now I'm thinking that it was possibly removed to get the address.

 

[CP345]

Actually you can get phone numbers from addresses in the Telstra databases without a name. I know this for certain.

When i implied he knew the rape victims address i was assuming this based on his earlier MO of breaking into homes. You would be able to get the address or know the address of the home you may have broken into and raped someone. Karrakatta happened much later than this initial rape from what i can gather which was when he changed to abduction, this is when he took the license apparently. But a license doesnt have a phone number so you are back to square one really with only the name and address as opposed to just the address which again wouldn't be a problem for a Telstra employee.

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I guess what we're missing here is any further details about the rape of the girl who received the phone call. We don't know where or when which makes it difficult.

 

[elastic]

It is not clear how the rape victim was raped who received the phone call but from reading the article I am going to assume she was raped in her home and the rapist called that home afterwards and made it very clear he was the rapist. He must have been convincing if the Police looked into the case and concluded it was confusing trying to figure out how he knew her number. Either that or she left her phone book next to the landline and he read the phone number from the notebook or something. Would take some skill to remmeber the number after committing a rape, or he looked it up using the address he knew from raping her in her home which would more than likely require being a Telstra employee

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[Moustachio]

That theory is not as exciting as some of the others but I like it. Claremont could be his preference simply because it was more likely he wouldn't be recognised in an area he he didn't frequent socially. But in reality your theory doesn't mention any of the Arnotts biscuit range, so it won't get any traction.

Agree. You probably need a Tim Tam to sex that theory up a bit.

 

[elastic]

The article about the "90s rape" clearly says the rape occured before Karrakatta. The article definitely makes it sounds like 1990 by using "90s" atleast twice in the article. I wonder if the journalist is giving away the decade and the year deliberately without presenting too many details about this case. Although from the article we can determine it was before Karrakatta and after Huntingdale which means it could be either rape MO eg. Home invasion rape/ or an abduction.

I reckon it was his prior MO though which is the home invasion rape similar to Huntingdale. It would be nice to atleast know the suburb, unless she is one of the other unsolved claremont rape victims which means he probably would have needed to steal the licence

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[shovel]

Agree. You probably need a Tim Tam to sex that theory up a bit.

Put a sexy red dress on it and call it Tammie

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[Moustachio]

Actually you can get phone numbers from addresses in the Telstra databases without a name. I know this for certain.

When i implied he knew the rape victims address i was assuming this based on his earlier MO of breaking into homes. You would be able to get the address or know the address of the home you may have broken into and raped someone. Karrakatta happened much later than this initial rape from what i can gather which was when he changed to abduction, this is when he took the license apparently. But a license doesnt have a phone number so you are back to square one really with only the name and address as opposed to just the address which again wouldn't be a problem for a Telstra employee.

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Yes, that is correct. Can easily get numbers with an address only from Telstra. Government agencies do that daily.

 

[crabstick]

. She thought she had anonymity, next minute shes being taunted.
Here it is again.

It is not clear how the rape victim was raped who received the phone call but from reading the article I am going to assume she was raped in her home and the rapist called that home afterwards and made it very clear he was the rapist. He must have been convincing if the Police looked into the case and concluded it was confusing trying to figure out how he knew her number. Either that or she left her phone book next to the landline and he read the phone number from the notebook or something. Would take some skill to remmeber the number after committing a rape, or he looked it up using the address he knew from raping her in her home which would more than likely require being a Telstra employee

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[CP345]

The article about the "90s rape" clearly says the rape occured before Karrakatta. The article definitely makes it sounds like 1990 by using "90s" atleast twice in the article. I wonder if the journalist is giving away the decade and the year deliberately without presenting too many details about this case. Although from the article we can determine it was before Karrakatta and after Huntingdale which means it could be either rape MO eg. Home invasion rape/ or an abduction.

I reckon it was his prior MO though which is the home invasion rape similar to Huntingdale. It would be nice to atleast know the suburb, unless she is one of the other unsolved claremont rape victims which means he probably would have needed to steal the licence

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Well if the reporter specifically links it to the KK attack even if to say it was before it, I'd say it's more likely to be one of the unsolved Claremont rapes in the lead up. Just my opinion. Would seem a long bow if it was in another random area. Unsure though as I can't find the link to the paper to read the story again.

 

[tiff]

You would be able to get the address or know the address of the home you may have broken into and raped someone.

Truly? The perp wasn't there? Why on Earth would a perp need records to work out where he'd been?

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[Moustachio]

Put a sexy red dress on it and call it Tammie

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I'd call it a Cherry Ripe.

 

[crabstick]

Exceptional handwriting Tiff