Australia Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #12

[Spooks-R-Us]

Geebus! Just as I catch up reading it seems everyone who posted recent comments has logged off!

 

[shovel]

I must admit some of the stuff posted is really bizarre. Its the same people liking the same posts too. Smoke and mirrors if you ask me..

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Serial killers are freaks, monsters that crawled out of the abyss. Unless there's some weird kind of identifying with them, no theory of how they operate or what motivates them can possibly be too bizarre. When all the information that's available has been gone over thousands of times to the point of exhaustion it's natural to jump out of the box and stretch a bit to try and offer something different.

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[The Weaver]

Im not quite sure why there is so much speculation about how the alleged rapist/killer got hold of someones phone number. He clearly had access to the personal property of victims which would have revealed what their name and address was. One would simply look in the phone book..eg: Smith Brown Street Jonestown 9999******. You would hardly need to be a tech or have access to Reverse Directories if you knew the name and address of the persons number you were seeking. Don Spiers was annoyed constantly by Psychics and other assorted crackpots. Im pretty sure they got his number from the phone book. As for the diagrams mentioned in previous posts, IMO they are clearly phone/com wiring diagrams. The reference to 'earphone' 'telephone' 'comm' etc and the configuration of the wiring pairs make it pretty clear to me. Ive never seen an electric motor or armature with 12 'pairs' of wires protruding from the body or casing

 

[petedavo.au]

As in floury capital t and capital d?
Were you taught that in WA?

I was taught the same by my grade 4 teacher at Beckenham Primary school. That was in 1973. The teacher was very dogmatic. You'd get in big trouble if your looped cursive writing wasn't exactly right. WA taught the same writing looped cursive style as Britain did.

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[petedavo.au]

If this is a random piece of discarded rubbish or superseded telephone repair info why was it hidden in a wall it has to have a significance of some sort to somebody .

Might of nicked it from a work colleague and deliberately planted it there thinking that the police might find the crime scene and thus go after someone else, but that wouldn't work IMO, as police would soon twig to a deception and narrow down suspects to whoever could've stolen it. And family members and work colleagues would be the first people police would focus upon.

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[SN76]

Looking forward to today and what new information we can learn, if any..

 

[perthite]

Just to add more to this, I've shown this 2 ex Telstra techs, one from the 80's/90's and one from the 00's and neither think it's phone wiring diagrams or Telstra related.

In fact both said it looks like an electrical diagram. As others have suggested it does seem to be an armature winding diagram. I think we need to find an electrical engineer.

 

[The Weaver]

Just to add more to this, I've shown this 2 ex Telstra techs, one from the 80's/90's and one from the 00's and neither think it's phone wiring diagrams or Telstra related.

In fact both said it looks like an electrical diagram. As others have suggested it does seem to be an armature winding diagram. I think we need to find an electrical engineer.

My apologies. It is an Armature Wiring Diagram

 

[KG1]

The writing displayed with the diagrams, together with the figures shown appears to me to be in the style of Copperplate writing, particularly the capital letters mentioned, with a bit of variation from the norm for this style when it was taught. Copperplate used in Australia appears to have derived from the French style, and preceded the cursive script style. Cursive script was introduced in the later 1950s in Victoria. One of my brothers was learning Copperate writing in his early primary school and then was changed to cursive script when it came in, and he has always lamented his writing style as he believes that it was ruined by being changed over half way through. Being older, I learnt only the Copperplate style, and we used 'copy books' to copy and practice the letters. I have always been complimented on my handwriting. My children all learnt the cursive script and are neat writers, although sometimes it looks more like printing. I prefer the Copperplate style, but it is usually only seen in people born pre 1950s.

I think the writing displayed is by a person who is older than BRE, perhaps an instructor's notes. As the hand appears well practiced, and possibly a little rushed, I think the writer would have a finer hand in a different situation - say writing a letter. Just my thoughts only.

 

[MrsNathanDrake]

Was also taught the same way and I am 40...and fully schooled in Perth..

I was born in 81 and taught the same handwriting style at school in WA In 1990

 

[KG1]

Some news:-

http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...l/news-story/a5962b247f8e5ba7236c0314b26bee92

 

[Nugget77]

Anyone have any speculation about what might come out/up in court today?

Can we expect any new information?

 

[crabstick]

You would have to know the victims name as simply looking through the phone book of a million people is a mammoth task, unless of course you had a database of the phonebook. Any partial match on a query would pull up the number.

The fact the victim was miffed and the fact the police were concerned says that the predator probably shouldn't have known the victims name or their address.

Why would a vicitm ring the police to say she had made a report and ask how the predator might find her phone number? I guess we need to know more about the sexual assault.

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14/1/2017

Im not quite sure why there is so much speculation about how the alleged rapist/killer got hold of someones phone number. He clearly had access to the personal property of victims which would have revealed what their name and address was. One would simply look in the phone book..eg: Smith Brown Street Jonestown 9999******. You would hardly need to be a tech or have access to Reverse Directories if you knew the name and address of the persons number you were seeking. Don Spiers was annoyed constantly by Psychics and other assorted crackpots. Im pretty sure they got his number from the phone book. As for the diagrams mentioned in previous posts, IMO they are clearly phone/com wiring diagrams. The reference to 'earphone' 'telephone' 'comm' etc and the configuration of the wiring pairs make it pretty clear to me. Ive never seen an electric motor or armature with 12 'pairs' of wires protruding from the body or casing

 

[crabstick]

It is a very tight style. There appear two styles on the same piece of paper as well. It will probably turn out to be nothing. But the fact it is drawn in coloured pencil makes it look like some exam. It appears to be some form of wiring loom. The history of the factory would help. Being an old building doesn't help. It could have been an old electronics repair shop like auto electrician who fixed motors and alternators etc.
It says headphone and telephone which means its probably a coil diagram for a listening set.

I was born in 81 and taught the same handwriting style at school in WA In 1990

 

[crabstick]

This was said about 5 pages back, not long after it posted. Although the bottom one appears an armature.

My apologies. It is an Armature Wiring Diagram

 

[petedavo.au]

Back in the50's to 70's WA Education Dept was basically using the British cursive loop writing style.
Our whole curriculum was basically similar to Britain's, not at all like the eastern States until after Beazley became Minister of Education and Modern Cursive writing became phased in.

http://www.det.wa.edu.au/curriculum...rimary/news/handwriting-guidelines-revised.en

http://www.edalive.com/products/aussie-school-fonts-plus/wa-modern-cursive-style/

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[JoeDetective]

Handwriting would have to match.

Logically yes but you can't rule out that they were instructional diagrams someone else had drawn up.

 

[papertrail]

It is a very tight style. There appear two styles on the same piece of paper as well. It will probably turn out to be nothing. But the fact it is drawn in coloured pencil makes it look like some exam. It appears to be some form of wiring loom. The history of the factory would help. Being an old building doesn't help. It could have been an old electronics repair shop like auto electrician who fixed motors and alternators etc.
It says headphone and telephone which means its probably a coil diagram for a listening set.

there is an auto electrician in carrington behind 12 government road where the monumental business is ! could be the auto electrician used to trade out of the complete building site and it was subsequently divided into 2 premises.

The diagrams could be work of an apprentice.

 

[KG1]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-...ccused-bradley-edwards-in-perth-court/8210792
The man charged over the infamous Claremont serial killings makes his second court appearance in Perth, with the case adjourned for eight weeks.

 

[The Weaver]

You would have to know the victims name as simply looking through the phone book of a million people is a mammoth task, unless of course you had a database of the phonebook. Any partial match on a query would pull up the number.

The fact the victim was miffed and the fact the police were concerned says that the predator probably shouldn't have known the victims name or their address.

Why would a vicitm ring the police to say she had made a report and ask how the predator might find her phone number? I guess we need to know more about the sexual assault.

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14/1/2017

If the bloke has raped the woman he clearly has access to her property/bag/name. The victim was likely miffed because of the further distress caused by the phone call. Its a very long bow to draw that the alleged rapist had access to databases etc. The logical explanation is that he saw/stole some ID from the victim