Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #15

[Canning Vale]

The Eagles Nest was Hitler's Mountain Retreat high above Bertchesgaden in the Bavarian Alps. I'll try and locate the article which advised the location of the d-sites was part or opposite of a swatch sticker.

http://www.uncommon-travel-germany.com/eagles-nest-germany.html

There was mention within this article of a reverse Swastika. I don't know who wrote the article - perhaps a profiler.

http://claremontserialkillings.blogspot.com.au/

Quote from the article: The graphic depicted by the CSK is not the clockwise facing swastika, but a reverse swastika.

BRE mentioned the name Eagles Nest which was Hitler’s mountain retreat on the Bavarian Alps. I wondered if there was a connection, and if BRE liked the Nazi thing. It's just a thought.

https://www.facebook.com/BelmontCoun...342775/?type=3

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[Canning Vale]

What's your point CV?

As you know, the accused, nicknamed Bogsy, lived on Gay Street.

According to Urban Dictionary:
Bog means toilet and 'poo';
and in Swedish, Bog means homosexual and gay!

I'm not sure how all this info helps our sleuthing, other than that we could assume the accused probably got bullied and teased at school and that he didn't have a very good reputation with both the guys and girls in Gozzy.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bog
http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...s/news-story/44d3d60b4c894e632bb30a23a11bc787

Spooks,

He may have been bullied at school and being tall may have been picked on by a group of boys. OMI.

 

[no name]

Spooks - the Irish article was the first that came to mind that contained that info. I don't know if it was the same one you posted our not. I was responding to your post about if any articles detailed any injuries to the girls or something to that effect.

Hale is no where near Claremont and i was talking about high schools.

Car park behind post office - how pedantic of you Spooks. I'll write in any manner I choose thank you. The info i post is all of the top of my head Spooks, none of it required me to go back over articles or check to see what anyone else has posted. Im not "claiming" anything as an original thought, that is my opinion and i stated it as such regardless of who else has said it. I have said it myself also, perhaps thats where you read it! Theres no prizes for claiming you solved the case and its a case far more personal to me to listen to any big noters wanting to say afterwards I told you so. Give me a break.

Shortest route to Wembley - i didn't look at your screen shot. I don't need to. I know the area very well and i am the same age as one of the victims. I can tell you that there is no way a female is headed off up gugeri st late at night on foot trying to get home to Wembley. End of story.

Athletic info is all on their website. VG 2000-11/12 season (at least). CGE 05-12/13, BRE 06-12/13.

I'm suggesting VG is the clue.

Trueblue stated they met '98 ish.. VI, no proof required.

 

[no name]

Oh - Acton Ave, I was implying what the further posters that commented on it understood I was implying

 

[Hilo]

Whoa, been away & so much going on in the thread. Just want to respond to some of the comments over the last 28 pages or so.
BRE had lived with EE in Madora Bay prior to purchasing Huntingdale in 1991 & after selling in 1997, he moved back into Gay St with his parents. So, whilst he lived at Fountain Way throughout 96-97, you would have to assume Madora Bay was used on and off by the whole family, but was probably vacant most of the time. I've read here in WS they broke up around 1995 & dont believe the police would have told the family what they may have found there or otherwise.

It is my belief (from what Ive picked up in blogs/articles along the way - some of which has been deleted for various reasons) the '88 assault was also on Gay St. Irrespective of location, I have no doubt that the victim knew her attacker or had a very strong suspicion who he was at least & was able to provide his name to WAPOL at the time. Could you imagine this conversation - "hey sarge, remember about 2 years ago when WS members reckoned the perp might work for Telstra, well this one works for telstra, you reckon we should check him first"? Bingo!!

Pippidinny Rd may have been secluded in the sense that there werent any houses and once driving along it, there aren't too many reasons to stop along the way. But, it was a very well used track and people frequently drove up and down at all hours of the night, myself included numerous nights out fishing. I dont think anyone would've looked twice at seeing a car driving in or out of there at anytime (taxis excepted), but there was a fairly decent chance that you would be seen by someone nevertheless. On the chance that you passed them on the road, theres no way they wouldnt be able to identify your car at the very least & likely seeing your face too as they passed. So perhaps he wasnt familiar with the area at all. I think theres a good chance something went very wrong with CG. If we accept the abductions were sexually motivated and we know JR was found naked in quite dense bush, fairly close to the road & in a far more populous area south, which he would have been familiar with, & whom wasnt found for 56 days despite the close proximity to houses. Compared to CG who was further away from Claremont, carried into bush from a side track off the road and left in a much more open position, partially clothed, yet still found in 20days. Perhaps that was a spur of the moment drop far away from familiar territory. They dont seem to have much in common to me & I dont think provide any clues as to another unknown location.

Spooks - there were articles alluding to the girls having their throats cut including those from Irish Newspapers who seemed to provide alot of info about the Glennon family not published in others. Much of it appeared to have been provided from someone very close to the family at least.

Sutton - Samantha White. Have looked long and hard for any info about this girl and came up with nothing. Im at a loss to name the other 4 girls in that article either unless they are referring to a different timeframe - Barbara Weston '86, & still missing - Julie Cutler 88, or within the timeframe but country locations + still missing - Sara Davey, Broome '97, Lisa Govan Kalgoorlie '97, or street worker still missing from nightclub vicinity - Lisa Brown '98. The only one that falls into the category is Jennifer Wilby '99 found 2012. It was in the Telegraph though which is an eastern states paper so most likely to be incorrect details IMO.

Annalise - hit the Remember me button when u login.

From memory, it was within the past couple of years that Don Spiers spoke of the phone call that he received soon after SS disappeared that identified a 5600h area to him and that to this day he feels was genuine.

With the search for secluded places in Claremont in full swing - who is this in regard to - JR or the other assaults? Or have I missed something else?
If JR didnt walk down into Claremont, I'd put money on her being taken from the carpark behind the post office. It was so dark and barely used. He could have even lured her across the road from the pub under the guise of needing change for the phone or something. Theres no way she would have started walking east up Gugeri St trying to get home to Wembley so not a chance she would have been anywhere further away in that direction for no reason.
I think there were a heap of creeps hanging around in Claremont & Perth in general at the time. Not to mention the amount of people that have been subsequently charged of rapes and murders all over the world who were known to have lived in Perth at some time or another. I think there were fake cabs and fake cops & know enough first hand stories to say I consider that a fact. Having grown up in the area, going to school there and frequenting the pubs/clubs since the Conti was Cagneys and Thursday nights were full of all the kids you would see the next day at school, everyone knew everyone by face at least, & you trusted everyone regardless of whether you went to JTC, Scotch, Christchurch, Iona, PLC, MLC or Hollywood. In later years, Claremont was still considered a safe place for the girls that grew up around there regardless of the Birnies or what had happened with SS. Thats just how it was. The speedway crowd didnt hang around to socialise and rarely came over the railway line. You didnt need to pass through the heart of Claremont to get in or out regardless of where you were going. Despite what image may be conjured up about a 'busy area full of people going to pubs/clubs with the showgrounds & train stations closeby' it was far from that. 90% of the area was dark and deserted with numerous nooks and crannys to sit in wait and numerous dark small carparks to go unseen in. Best place ever to choose to abduct someone from with so many routes to get out quickly. Very few cops because there was very little trouble. I dont think anyone needed to be overly brazen to attempt multiple abductions or particularly clever to not get caught, I think it was an incredibly easy place to succeed for anyone with the desire to do so.

BRE was involved with athletics because CGE & VG were before he became involved. BRE & CGE both stayed on 1 yr after VG finished seemingly to hand over the reigns to successors, he was secretary in the last year and she was equipment officer. I dont think the motivation was anything other than a step father and mother involved with their childs sport. They met in 1998 when VG would have been 3-4yrs.

IMO, that is the best clue as to why so little is apparent after 1997.

A look at other property owners in Acton Ave may give a clue as to why he never moved.

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[petedavo.au]

HI noname
Thanks for your long post. Must have taken you ages!
After reading your post, I have a few questions and points that I'd like you to consider and clarify. I've broken up your quote into parts so its easier for me (and hopefully others) to follow. TIA


Why did you highlight this particular Irish article for me specifically, since I've already quoted this exact article from the Irish Times many times before on WS. Can I ask what was your purpose here?


noname you forgot St Hilda's and Hale - two other local schools. Plus UWA students, and students who went to other universities who still lived in the western suburbs area went out lots in Claremont too.


noname - IMO you weren't the first person to describe this particular theory and some other theories that you've mentioned in your long 'catch-up' post. IMO Its probably polite and good forum etiquette to NOT claim other people's work as your own, and better when you post on WS say that you agree with other sleuths' theories, rather than writing as if you worked out everything yourself on your own, without help from others posts here.


noname please see the screen shot pic I just took of Google Maps which shows the shortest route by foot from The Conti (now The Claremont Hotel in the screen shot pic) to Wembley where JR lived. (NB: I chose a random Wembley street for this route as I'm unaware of JR's exact address). I struggle with your claim that there's NO WAY JR would walk along Gugeri St to get home from Claremont. If you grew up in the area like you say you did, then you would definitely know that the quickest route by foot (and indeed by car and taxi too) from Claremont to Wembley is up Gugeri Street. "Mrs Google" even says so too.

Noname where did you find info in MSM that the accused only stayed on one year at LA after VG finished competing? Was that the 2012-2013 season?

Are you suggesting that the accused allegedly gave up serial killing in 1997 and replaced it with being a good step-dad, spectating and volunteering at LA?

Also, I've never found info that confirmed BRE and CGE met in 1998 - good work on the sleuthing here. What's your source please?

Lastly about the athletics, are you suggesting that CGE and VG were involved with LA before CGE first met BRE? Or just that CGE and VG went to LA before BRE started going along too? The minimum age to start competing in LA is 5 years old, so the first season VG could compete would be the summer of 1999-2000. CGE and BRE moved in together in July 2000.

"Little Athletics is a uniquely Australian modified athletics program for children from 5 to 16 years (some Assocations may offer age groups outside this range) - with around 100,000 Little Athletes participating at almost 500 centres across the country."
http://littleathletics.com.au/

Finally....


What are you implying? can you please explain this statement more.

I look forward to your responses noname
Cheers

Hmmm. The route to Wembley is interesting. It's almost the same, as the shortest route to going to Ellington on the Freeway. So if someone gave her a lift from Claremont, she wouldn't know anything is amiss until they drove straight through. The accused probably aware of this route, having lived in Osborne Park IMO.

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[petedavo.au]

Hmmm. The route to Wembley is interesting. It's almost the same, as the shortest route to going to Ellington on the Freeway. So if someone gave her a lift from Claremont, she wouldn't know anything is amiss until they drove straight through. The accused probably aware of this route, having lived in Osborne Park IMO.

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Just had a thought. If someone offered JR a lift to Mosman Park, she wouldn't know anything is amiss until he continued passed Missie Park, down Stirling Hwy heading through Fremantle to Rockingham Rd and into Wellard.

Maybe these two aren't blitz attacks? Locations were just a matter of which direction he was already driving? He might know of these places beforehand, maybe through outdoor "pursuits" with his wife, but the locations weren't pre planned before the abductions?

This idea would also fit with Kerry Turner, who was hitch hiking to Kelmscott to pick up her car, whose body was found near Canning Dam, some distance beyond Kelmscott which would've been on the way.

So if SS got a lift to South Perth, what is beyond, after driving through South Perth? He'd have to choose East, or South depending. upon if he got off at Mill Point Rd or not. IMO

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Hmmm. The route to Wembley is interesting. It's almost the same, as the shortest route to going to Ellington on the Freeway. So if someone gave her a lift from Claremont, she wouldn't know anything is amiss until they drove straight through. The accused probably aware of this route, having lived in Osborne Park IMO.

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[Spooks-R-Us]

Just had a thought. If someone offered JR a lift to Mosman Park, she wouldn't know anything is amiss until he continued passed Missie Park, down Stirling Hwy heading through Fremantle to Rockingham Rd and into Wellard.

Maybe these two aren't blitz attacks? Locations were just a matter of which direction he was already driving? He might know of these places beforehand, maybe through outdoor "pursuits" with his wife, but the locations weren't pre planned before the abductions?

This idea would also fit with Kerry Turner, who was hitch hiking to Kelmscott to pick up her car, whose body was found near Canning Dam, some distance beyond Kelmscott which would've been on the way.

So if SS got a lift to South Perth, what is beyond, after driving through South Perth? He'd have to choose East, or South depending. upon if he got off at Mill Point Rd or not. IMO

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I like your way of thinking here PD.... but do you mean CG and not JR hitch hiking to Mosman Park?
And I thought SS was going to Mosman Park too and not South Perth too?

Maybe the common denominator is Mosman Park, or somewhere further out along that route as you say?

 

[petedavo.au]

I like your way of thinking here PD.... but do you mean CG and not JR hitch hiking to Mosman Park?
And I thought SS was going to Mosman Park too and not South Perth too?

Maybe the common denominator is Mosman Park, or somewhere further out along that route as you say?

Who was going to Wembley? Was it the girl who ended up on Pipindinny Rd or not? If not then this idea doesn't work. Back to blitz

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[Spooks-R-Us]

JR was going to Wembley but ended up in Wellard.

CG was headed to Mosman Park but ended up in Eglington.


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[petedavo.au]

JR was going to Wembley but ended up in Wellard.

CG was headed to Mosman Park but ended up in Eglington.


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Thanks. That buggers up any idea that they were getting lifts home, and he was all nice till he drove passed their places then.

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[SherlockSleuth]

Whoa, been away & so much going on in the thread. Just want to respond to some of the comments over the last 28 pages or so.
BRE had lived with EE in Madora Bay prior to purchasing Huntingdale in 1991 & after selling in 1997, he moved back into Gay St with his parents. So, whilst he lived at Fountain Way throughout 96-97, you would have to assume Madora Bay was used on and off by the whole family, but was probably vacant most of the time. I've read here in WS they broke up around 1995 & dont believe the police would have told the family what they may have found there or otherwise.

It is my belief (from what Ive picked up in blogs/articles along the way - some of which has been deleted for various reasons) the '88 assault was also on Gay St. Irrespective of location, I have no doubt that the victim knew her attacker or had a very strong suspicion who he was at least & was able to provide his name to WAPOL at the time. Could you imagine this conversation - "hey sarge, remember about 2 years ago when WS members reckoned the perp might work for Telstra, well this one works for telstra, you reckon we should check him first"? Bingo!!

Pippidinny Rd may have been secluded in the sense that there werent any houses and once driving along it, there aren't too many reasons to stop along the way. But, it was a very well used track and people frequently drove up and down at all hours of the night, myself included numerous nights out fishing. I dont think anyone would've looked twice at seeing a car driving in or out of there at anytime (taxis excepted), but there was a fairly decent chance that you would be seen by someone nevertheless. On the chance that you passed them on the road, theres no way they wouldnt be able to identify your car at the very least & likely seeing your face too as they passed. So perhaps he wasnt familiar with the area at all. I think theres a good chance something went very wrong with CG. If we accept the abductions were sexually motivated and we know JR was found naked in quite dense bush, fairly close to the road & in a far more populous area south, which he would have been familiar with, & whom wasnt found for 56 days despite the close proximity to houses. Compared to CG who was further away from Claremont, carried into bush from a side track off the road and left in a much more open position, partially clothed, yet still found in 20days. Perhaps that was a spur of the moment drop far away from familiar territory. They dont seem to have much in common to me & I dont think provide any clues as to another unknown location.

Spooks - there were articles alluding to the girls having their throats cut including those from Irish Newspapers who seemed to provide alot of info about the Glennon family not published in others. Much of it appeared to have been provided from someone very close to the family at least.

Sutton - Samantha White. Have looked long and hard for any info about this girl and came up with nothing. Im at a loss to name the other 4 girls in that article either unless they are referring to a different timeframe - Barbara Weston '86, & still missing - Julie Cutler 88, or within the timeframe but country locations + still missing - Sara Davey, Broome '97, Lisa Govan Kalgoorlie '97, or street worker still missing from nightclub vicinity - Lisa Brown '98. The only one that falls into the category is Jennifer Wilby '99 found 2012. It was in the Telegraph though which is an eastern states paper so most likely to be incorrect details IMO.

Annalise - hit the Remember me button when u login.

From memory, it was within the past couple of years that Don Spiers spoke of the phone call that he received soon after SS disappeared that identified a 5600h area to him and that to this day he feels was genuine.

With the search for secluded places in Claremont in full swing - who is this in regard to - JR or the other assaults? Or have I missed something else?
If JR didnt walk down into Claremont, I'd put money on her being taken from the carpark behind the post office. It was so dark and barely used. He could have even lured her across the road from the pub under the guise of needing change for the phone or something. Theres no way she would have started walking east up Gugeri St trying to get home to Wembley so not a chance she would have been anywhere further away in that direction for no reason.
I think there were a heap of creeps hanging around in Claremont & Perth in general at the time. Not to mention the amount of people that have been subsequently charged of rapes and murders all over the world who were known to have lived in Perth at some time or another. I think there were fake cabs and fake cops & know enough first hand stories to say I consider that a fact. Having grown up in the area, going to school there and frequenting the pubs/clubs since the Conti was Cagneys and Thursday nights were full of all the kids you would see the next day at school, everyone knew everyone by face at least, & you trusted everyone regardless of whether you went to JTC, Scotch, Christchurch, Iona, PLC, MLC or Hollywood. In later years, Claremont was still considered a safe place for the girls that grew up around there regardless of the Birnies or what had happened with SS. Thats just how it was. The speedway crowd didnt hang around to socialise and rarely came over the railway line. You didnt need to pass through the heart of Claremont to get in or out regardless of where you were going. Despite what image may be conjured up about a 'busy area full of people going to pubs/clubs with the showgrounds & train stations closeby' it was far from that. 90% of the area was dark and deserted with numerous nooks and crannys to sit in wait and numerous dark small carparks to go unseen in. Best place ever to choose to abduct someone from with so many routes to get out quickly. Very few cops because there was very little trouble. I dont think anyone needed to be overly brazen to attempt multiple abductions or particularly clever to not get caught, I think it was an incredibly easy place to succeed for anyone with the desire to do so.

BRE was involved with athletics because CGE & VG were before he became involved. BRE & CGE both stayed on 1 yr after VG finished seemingly to hand over the reigns to successors, he was secretary in the last year and she was equipment officer. I dont think the motivation was anything other than a step father and mother involved with their childs sport. They met in 1998 when VG would have been 3-4yrs.

IMO, that is the best clue as to why so little is apparent after 1997.

A look at other property owners in Acton Ave may give a clue as to why he never moved.

@no name, thanks for such an informative post, it's greatly appreciated.

You mentioned that you didn't think police would share with the families what they found at the Madora Bay property. Is that standard police procedure? I'd have guessed they were in close contact with the families of the deceased, and would have let them know if they'd found nothing, or found something significant (without, perhaps, sharing actual details).

You mentioned you think something may have gone wrong with the attack on CG. From what I've understood through reading about CG, she'd likely have fought very hard.

WRT to the unfortunate report in an Irish newspaper of victims throats being cut, do you give these reports much credibility? It might be simply a matter of those papers not feeling the same need to cooperate with police requests as local media?

Whilst not a local, I agree with your assertion that it wouldn't take a Rhodes Scholar to abduct someone from a poorly lit & somewhat secluded location. It's easy to think of Ted Bundy and the fairly innocuous ruses he used to lure victims.

Finally, I think it's fairly significant that he was (from what I gather) from a lower socioeconomic area and chose an area and victims who represented something very different. My guess is that he had a massive chip on his shoulder, which tragically met with a psychosexual disfunction, or whatever you'd like to call it.

 

[Annalise]

It would interesting to know about BRE's behaviour in particular around family. Did he have an established mental disorder? Did he display any unusual behaviour? He must have shown some signs of unusual behaviour especially during stressful times in his life. Even if he seemed controlled at work or at LA he had to have let his guard down now and then. I'm quite amazed his relationship with CG lasted from around 1998 to 2016! IMO

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

It would interesting to know about BRE's behaviour in particular around family. Did he have an established mental disorder? Did he display any unusual behaviour? He must have shown some signs of unusual behaviour especially during stressful times in his life. Even if he seemed controlled at work or at LA he had to have let his guard down now and then. I'm quite amazed his relationship with CG lasted from around 1998 to 2016! IMO

Good to see you online tonight Annalise
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[DRT]

@no name, thanks for such an informative post, it's greatly appreciated.

You mentioned that you didn't think police would share with the families what they found at the Madora Bay property. Is that standard police procedure? I'd have guessed they were in close contact with the families of the deceased, and would have let them know if they'd found nothing, or found something significant (without, perhaps, sharing actual details).

You mentioned you think something may have gone wrong with the attack on CG. From what I've understood through reading about CG, she'd likely have fought very hard.

WRT to the unfortunate report in an Irish newspaper of victims throats being cut, do you give these reports much credibility? It might be simply a matter of those papers not feeling the same need to cooperate with police requests as local media?

Whilst not a local, I agree with your assertion that it wouldn't take a Rhodes Scholar to abduct someone from a poorly lit & somewhat secluded location. It's easy to think of Ted Bundy and the fairly innocuous ruses he used to lure victims.

Finally, I think it's fairly significant that he was (from what I gather) from a lower socioeconomic area and chose an area and victims who represented something very different. My guess is that he had a massive chip on his shoulder, which tragically met with a psychosexual disfunction, or whatever you'd like to call it.

no name thanks for the post. If ever I have a few days away I will look up your name and get the summary.

Re: Madora Bay. TrueBlue VI stated police had given the impression that there was nothing at Madora Bay. I have no reason to doubt them. It may be possible that police have said we no longer require you to keep this place available for our use given it was a rental. JMO.

Agree with your comments about CG, certainly would be feisty given even her actions with the lads at the bus stop.

 

[Annalise]

If BRE and EE married young would people closer to him not have encouraged him against it if they knew he had behavioural issues and possible violent outbursts. Where would they have met? Why did they break up? IMO

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

If BRE and EE married young would people closer to him not have encouraged him against it if they knew he had behavioural issues and possible violent outbursts. Where would they have met? Why did they break up? IMO

I think EE's digital footprint is even smaller than BRE's, so I don't think sleuths here uncovered where they met.

In the scenario you suggest, either partners family members may or may not have encouraged or discouraged the union. But in reality, who would stand in his way if they stood against his wishes???
Or maybe the accused was in denial back then when he was younger and his alleged evil hobbies hadn't yet materialised in his mind?


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[Annalise]

Yes Spooks - also it may have been the break up that triggered him off. He may have been dumped and she left him on his own with a house and mortgage to pay. IMO

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Yes Spooks - also it may have been the break up that triggered him off. He may have been dumped and she left him on his own with a house and mortgage to pay. IMO

Usual life stressors! Exactly


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