Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #17

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #461
Hi AL, I meant that Donald Moray may have been responsible for some of the attacks and missing prostitutes but so might have the CSK, having moved from Claremont, similar to what Adrian Bayley did in Melbourne. Still doesn't really make sense I know what I mean though.

Hi IC - without doubt (imo) Donald Morey would have been responsible for a lot of murders. Although he was in jail for the Claremont girls. Not only that but there were probably a few more serial killers in Perth around that time. So Con Bayens will identify who had the plastic lined car boot. I'm sure he will identify who it was during te CSK trial. MOO
 
  • #462
attachment.php

Google images

Couldn't find the post to reply to that said this didn't look anything like the accused. I disagree. The psychic taskforce also gave a name of who they thought was the CSK that night. I'm sure we'll hear more about this after everything is over. JMHO.
 

Attachments

  • Psychic taskforce_CSK.JPG
    Psychic taskforce_CSK.JPG
    22.9 KB · Views: 189
  • #463
What was the name given by the psychic task force?
 
  • #464
It looks like MM to me from the video footage. Which I believe is young BRE. Just my opinion though.

attachment.php

Google images

Couldn't find the post to reply to that said this didn't look anything like the accused. I disagree. The psychic taskforce also gave a name of who they thought was the CSK that night. I'm sure we'll hear more about this after everything is over. JMHO.
 
  • #465
After Bradley Edwards was arrested.
Con Bayens, did not go in the media saying I told you so. The blue plastic boot lined guy is not Bradley Edwards.
No physic has gone in the media saying I told you so. No Ouija board, tea leaves, astrological star gazing, numero unero, studying of the entrails of dead chickens, or rockinghorse poo has provided the name Bradley Edwards prior to the date that he was arrested.
Not 1 blogger has ever fingered him prior to the arrest.
Not one person has gone in the media since the arrest claiming I told you so.
If anyone has credible proof otherwise, then please reply.

Boot lined guy would be of interest for either being an alternative suspect, should the accused be found not guilty, or as a suspect for being a possible accomplice.


Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
 
  • #466
Once I establish that the accused was working at the Kewdale Rd Telstra Facility preceding Sarah Spiers disappearance, I'll be emailing one of the SCS detectives about the WaterCorp drainage compensation basin directly across the disused railway line from the Kewdale Rd Telstra complex.
I think it's an extremely good contender for where she was taken and left as it also would explain why she's never been found.
https://catalogue.data.wa.gov.au/dataset/drainage-compensation-basin-wcorp-004
9a8201ae8a7f609c1f6135b8858a17f9.jpg


Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
My old school friend told me that the Telstra facility in Kewdale Road was built at the time of privatisation, possibly 1998. However, Telstra did move into the site earlier using demountable buildings, and closed their numerous depots to move everyone to Kewdale Rd much earlier, possibly in early 1990's.
I can't establish a firm date for Telstra leaving Ewing St as it appeared they moved in dribs and drabs, with the vehicle storage building being closed first, thus the Auctioneers using it for a while.
Since the vehicles were those used by the technicians, then the technical staff must've moved as well.
I think therefore I have enough confidence to suggest to WAPOL that a thorough search of the compensation basin adjacent to the Telstra complex in Kewdale is warranted for the remains of Sarah Spiers.
I will be drafting an email for tomorrow morning, so if anyone has anything to add, please reply for inclusion.

Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
 
  • #467
It seems to me that you did and that's why I felt I had to question this.

Quote CV Would it be possible for JC to have, had a male friend that no one was aware of? PJTB

Could it be possible that the dead body found, in the weeks after JCs disappearance was PJTB. The article advises the man was 45 –
PJTB was 31.

If PJTB possibly dived in to help JC and drowned, where was his car?...snipped endquote.

Metic kindly presented sea conditions taken from Albany and the Rottenest Bouy 4 km west of Rottnest without indicating swell direction which is extremely important as because of Rottnest Island is the barrier for the swell and has little relationship to what occurs on Cottesloe beach.

Weather on Sunday 19th June 1988 was 19 degrees and rain. (Sunday Times 19th June 1988 Murder Hunt Car Clue) Not bad for winter and corresponds to the image on Cottesloe beach approx 7.00 am June 1988 with the older lady swimmers. Notice how many people on the beach around 7.00 am in winter in June 1988. (prvious post)

JC went missing that night, 12.30 am on the 20th June 1988. The back seat of the Fiat washed up on the afternoon of 20th June 1988.
attachment.php


Waves on Wednesday 22nd June 1988 can be seen and they may be 0.5 m. when the image of the car was finally shown in July 14 2000.
attachment.php


Picture of Cottesloe beach on Friday 14th June 1988 looks stormy and rough from the image. However, there the car was retrieved two days before this and even though this is the big storm, there were no waves breaking over the groyne.

attachment.php

The Daily Mail Friday 24th June 1988

Notice the subheading that hotels worry that a maniac is stalking Perth's women.
I'm not getting into a debate with you. Sometimes it's better to just apologize and move on.
 
  • #468
Who knows what info the police may have, I would think that when you have got nowhere with a case for 30 yrs you would try a different tack, someone may well have information they are not aware means anything until it is triggered. The person who frightened her in the car may be crucial, was that the same person who did the break in. Did she go to the Kebab takeaway straight after leaving the Parmelia where she appears to have left her blouse etc. Why did they wait a year to hand it in to the police. And why would anyone keep it all that time unless it was the annual disposal of the lost property box.
Janwa,

With regard to the lost property box, it does make sense the blouse etc, was placed in lost property and no one realized, until a later date.
 
  • #469
Quite a few years ago there was someone who was badly attacking people/ladies at the various universities. Did that person ever get caught?
 
  • #470
Some serial killers may have a mental illness that for some reason makes them target prostitutes. MOO

An interesting case study: Peter Sutcliffe aka The Yorkshire Ripper:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sutcliffe

Left school at a young age, twice worked as a grave digger, developed a macabre sense of humour, engaged in voyeurism (spying on prostitutes and their "Johns"). From 1969-1980 he attacked and killed prostitutes and women he thought were prostitutes but weren't. Sent letters to police signed Jack the Ripper. Later diagnosed with paranoid scizophrenia which he tried to use to plead not guilty but the jury found him guilty. Currently serving 20 concurrent sentences of life imprisonment. The local police were criticised for their handling of the investigation.
 
  • #471
After Bradley Edwards was arrested.
Con Bayens, did not go in the media saying I told you so. The blue plastic boot lined guy is not Bradley Edwards.
No physic has gone in the media saying I told you so. No Ouija board, tea leaves, astrological star gazing, numero unero, studying of the entrails of dead chickens, or rockinghorse poo has provided the name Bradley Edwards prior to the date that he was arrested.
Not 1 blogger has ever fingered him prior to the arrest.
Not one person has gone in the media since the arrest claiming I told you so.
If anyone has credible proof otherwise, then please reply.

Boot lined guy would be of interest for either being an alternative suspect, should the accused be found not guilty, or as a suspect for being a possible accomplice.


Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk

The media has been deathly silent except for basic reports about the accused life. Some media reports have appeared and been removed. Bayen's already made his thoughts clear about bootlined man being CSK and now is silent. Not an iota from any mediums or psychics lately (except for Lisa Govan's documentary due out today). Just saying, not surprised if there are suppression orders and suppression order about the suppression orders.

Prior to the arrest bloggers on here came up with some interesting suspects, Telstra (Telecom) man from Peter Kurten and 88 mph and the screen or sign writer who worked at Government Rd just opposite Karrakatta Cem with the french name a couple of years younger than the accused from Bartholomeus.

I find it difficult to believe with Jane especially that there was only one. Also if you consider Julie Cutler, IMO more than one involved.
 
  • #472
attachment.php

Google images

Couldn't find the post to reply to that said this didn't look anything like the accused. I disagree. The psychic taskforce also gave a name of who they thought was the CSK that night. I'm sure we'll hear more about this after everything is over. JMHO.

It's not totally off the mark but based on the limited photos I've seen of the accused, the hair shouldn't be curly and the cheeks should be fatter. Without seeing skin tone, I guess the person in the sketch to be someone of Mediterranean descent.
 
  • #473
I couldn’t locate any Australian news articles regarding the vehicle boot lined with plastic, except for this one… www.dailymail.com.uk
 
  • #474
For anyone who’s new to the forum…. Prior to CGs body being located Telstra workers had noticed an odour, but thought it was a decomposing kangaroo.

Here’s a link to the relevant page of the DGs book

attachment.php
 

Attachments

  • ciara-body-find.jpg
    ciara-body-find.jpg
    68.9 KB · Views: 129
  • #475
Did anyone get to this exhibition that I mentioned was coming up back in an earlier thread? It had pictures of Cottesloe in 1988. Well before the Indiana was built and back in the day when the area under the Norfolk Island Pines along the road leading to the groyne was the original car park. I was hoping that someone could get along and get pictures of the likely points of entry for Julie Cutler's vehicle.
http://www.lwgallery.uwa.edu.au/exhibitions/past/2017-exhibitions-archive/kevin-ballantine
fd3d587897700b346f55677ef5de1b4e.jpg


http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10304310120086759?journalCode=ccon20
Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
 
  • #476
Did anyone get to this exhibition that I mentioned was coming up back in an earlier thread? It had pictures of Cottesloe in 1988. Well before the Indiana was built and back in the day when the area under the Norfolk Island Pines along the road leading to the groyne was the original car park. I was hoping that someone could get along and get pictures of the likely points of entry for Julie Cutler's vehicle.
http://www.lwgallery.uwa.edu.au/exhibitions/past/2017-exhibitions-archive/kevin-ballantine
fd3d587897700b346f55677ef5de1b4e.jpg


http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10304310120086759?journalCode=ccon20
Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
Here's a front view of the same domed roof Change rooms, with Cottesloe Surf Life Saving boat sheds underneath. Indiana tea rooms have been built on that site in the 1990's. Unfortunately, it is a painting so it's hard to see details of the roadway down to the groyne, nor the boat ramps, where Julie Cutler's car may of entered the water.
https://www.aasd.com.au/index.cfm/list-all-works/?concat=bakergreg&order=1&start=1&show=50
02c8f55496b8450dcd18f634e6b3aed9.jpg


Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
 
  • #477
My old school friend told me that the Telstra facility in Kewdale Road was built at the time of privatisation, possibly 1998. However, Telstra did move into the site earlier using demountable buildings, and closed their numerous depots to move everyone to Kewdale Rd much earlier, possibly in early 1990's.
I can't establish a firm date for Telstra leaving Ewing St as it appeared they moved in dribs and drabs, with the vehicle storage building being closed first, thus the Auctioneers using it for a while.
Since the vehicles were those used by the technicians, then the technical staff must've moved as well.
I think therefore I have enough confidence to suggest to WAPOL that a thorough search of the compensation basin adjacent to the Telstra complex in Kewdale is warranted for the remains of Sarah Spiers.
I will be drafting an email for tomorrow morning, so if anyone has anything to add, please reply for inclusion.

Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
Hope I’m not too late to add…. regarding damage sustained to the perimeter fence – for entry purposes. Crime Stoppers need to ask the WC if and when there were any repairs to that fence. It’s highly probable a photocopy of a work order is retained on that CBs maintenance and operations file. Those files have a permanent retention and kept within a barcoded box at the Canning Vale’s archive building.
 
  • #478
For anyone who’s new to the forum…. Prior to CGs body being located Telstra workers had noticed an odour, but thought it was a decomposing kangaroo.

Here’s a link to the relevant page of the DGs book

attachment.php
Assistant Commissioner Bob Ibbotson eh?
He would've been driving passed Fountain Way & Gay St everytime he dropped in upon his son back in the 1980's till he passed away.
http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/han...4e57bc33bd53ee1848256619000bd947?OpenDocument
https://www.slp.wa.gov.au/publications/publications.nsf/DocByAgency/4FC8E43E1B87619F48256D34003472CE/$file/S030626.pdf

Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
 
  • #479
Who knows what info the police may have, I would think that when you have got nowhere with a case for 30 yrs you would try a different tack, someone may well have information they are not aware means anything until it is triggered. The person who frightened her in the car may be crucial, was that the same person who did the break in. Did she go to the Kebab takeaway straight after leaving the Parmelia where she appears to have left her blouse etc. Why did they wait a year to hand it in to the police. And why would anyone keep it all that time unless it was the annual disposal of the lost property box.
The Kebab Shop was in the Centreway Arcade, or Paragon Arcade, nowadays known as 160 Central. It used to be an arcade I walked through to get to work at the SGIO in the 1980's. From memory none of the shops were open late r than 5pm, and the rolladoors at either end closed at 6pm until 7:30am the next morning. So IMO, the bag of clothes either, didn't belong to Julie Cutler, we're left there on an earlier occasion, or were left there by someone else who either found them and was going to ditch what they liked and dump the rest, or by whoever caused her disappearance albeit at a later date. I already posted a google map of the area noting that the arcade is on the fasted walking route between Curtin House and the Parmelia Hotel in those days. Curtin House was where the City Police Station used to be, as well as the CIB HQ. Someone may of thought of handing them in or leaving them at the Parmelia, had a kebab, and then changed their mind for some reason.

Sent from my HTC 2PQ910 using Tapatalk
 
  • #480
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
112
Guests online
2,206
Total visitors
2,318

Forum statistics

Threads
632,828
Messages
18,632,359
Members
243,306
Latest member
Lordfrazer
Back
Top