Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #18

[no name]

I think it can be safely assumed that the car in the driveway was a holden gemini te. I posted 2 links to past threads in the previous page. Every discussion thats been had about "that" car has concluded with the same result, the most recent being less than 2 weeks ago.
Interestingly, google gemini te images and have a look at some of the wheels. The ones that almost look whiteish could probably be described as appearing "spoked".

 

[Spinnaker]

Image of Toyota Corona and car in BRE's driveway:

 

[meticulously]

Looks like a 1970's Toyota Corona
http://club4ag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5983
Note the placement of license plate, because that'll rule out many models of cars. Anyhow, IMO this is unlikely the KT abduction vehicle would've been kept after the publicity in 1997, unless the witness got the vehicle wrong. I don't know who the witness is, but I'm inclined to take it with a big grain of salt, because it could well of been the perp who claimed to be a "witness".
The puddles at the dump site is to be expected because there was a huge storm in WA at the time. The Kirki disaster happened that week due to it.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/environment...nt/major-historical-incidents/Kirki/index.asp

It seems that the last paragraph in this story is suggestive that police have reason to be that more than 1 person is involved somehow. Did the witness say how many people were in the car, and police withheld that?
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/e19ebf4e766f223471bfa9e2d15cf6c2
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P D thanks, now i remember that you did posted before about the ship 'kirki' oil spill .

That disaster was about 8 days before KT went missing , but then there was *4weeks until KT was found .
So thats about 39 days prior to the photo of the puddles on the track .

*Edited (getting late)
Jmo

"This week marks 25 years since his 18-year-old daughter went missing in Perth and was found four weeks later in bushland 40km away."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/e19ebf4e766f223471bfa9e2d15cf6c2

 

[no name]

I'm not sure what it is - but I keep seeing the accused BRE in these pics!!!!!
strange
like he's in the background close to the others, but watching

Spooks, I thought the same bloody thing last night. I watched that dude in the video walking about 10 times and it took me back to the discussion about the turned out foot in the MM video. Which is ridiculous to me as I dont for a second think they are the same person, nor do I think either are BRE, but something in my brain connected him to KT pics absolutely. Creepy!!

 

[PCS]

I wonder if the alleged CSK liked to dress his victims in other women's clothes?

News reports say CG was (partially) clothed, but was she wearing her own clothes?


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Yep. Serial Killers in the USA do all sorts of crazy stuff.

 

[Innerchild]

There must be a provision to change your seats when renewing if available. I have friends that have switched in and out of boxes over the years when they've become available and had enough people interested, then dropped them again for regular seats. I know seat swapping goes on also amongst members who dont mind shifting either permanently or for occasional games too
I favour the possibility they joined separately and were seated together randomly & thats how they met given the timing.

That would be very random chance 1 in 20,000 or so? My experience is that you want to change to sit next to someone you can't, but you can get in the same block of seats. Member's swapping seats occasionally or permanent may happen if they have the same number of seats as you and you both want to swap. But if you all want seats together buy them together with your membership.

 

[Innerchild]

Looks like a 1970's Toyota Corona
http://club4ag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5983
Note the placement of license plate, because that'll rule out many models of cars. Anyhow, IMO this is unlikely the KT abduction vehicle would've been kept after the publicity in 1997, unless the witness got the vehicle wrong. I don't know who the witness is, but I'm inclined to take it with a big grain of salt, because it could well of been the perp who claimed to be a "witness".
The puddles at the dump site is to be expected because there was a huge storm in WA at the time. The Kirki disaster happened that week due to it.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/environment...nt/major-historical-incidents/Kirki/index.asp

It seems that the last paragraph in this story is suggestive that police have reason to be that more than 1 person is involved somehow. Did the witness say how many people were in the car, and police withheld that?
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/e19ebf4e766f223471bfa9e2d15cf6c2
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Holden Gemini or Toyota Corona seems to look like vehicle in driveway or it could be something else, Im not convinced yet. However I'd always thought this driveway image was taken from the pictures at his arrest, can that be confirmed?

The Perthnow link above (and below) also says the car KT may have been abducted in was similar to a Datson 260z! That is the first I've heard that mentioned and is either lazy reporting not checking the facts or new information. This is a two door car and very different from the Datson 260C that has been reported previously.

I wondered if there was more than one person in the car initially as in other reports she walked around the car and got into the back seat, from memory. Would you get into the back seat of a car if there was someone else in front or would you get in the back seat like a taxi if only the driver?

You've asked about the last paragraph and it sounds to me they think someone knows something, whether they were in the car that night or involved. Do you think our female could have been there?

[FONT=&amp]Acting Superintendent Peter Branchi said police believed there were people who knew what happened to Kerry and urged them to call Crime Stoppers.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]“Over time allegiances change, people change and circumstances change, and someone who may have felt intimidated or uncomfortable sharing information with police back in the 1990s may now be in a position to do so,” he said.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/father-of-murdered-perth-woman-kerry-turner-renews-plea-for-information-to-solve-1991-death/news-story/e19ebf4e766f223471bfa9e2d15cf6c2


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[ApplePie80]

The courier mail article in which the 'blue car/Caloundra in 2003' comment is made refers to the printing of the victims face in pizza boxes. Are there any sleuthers that are aware of how this came to happen? Ie a local chain owner pitching in support?

 

[Xyz]

Holden Gemini or Toyota Corona seems to look like vehicle in driveway or it could be something else, Im not convinced yet. However I'd always thought this driveway image was taken from the pictures at his arrest, can that be confirmed?

The Perthnow link above (and below) also says the car KT may have been abducted in was similar to a Datson 260z! That is the first I've heard that mentioned and is either lazy reporting not checking the facts or new information. This is a two door car and very different from the Datson 260C that has been reported previously.

I wondered if there was more than one person in the car initially as in other reports she walked around the car and got into the back seat, from memory. Would you get into the back seat of a car if there was someone else in front or would you get in the back seat like a taxi if only the driver?

You've asked about the last paragraph and it sounds to me they think someone knows something, whether they were in the car that night or involved. Do you think our female could have been there?

[FONT=&amp]Acting Superintendent Peter Branchi said police believed there were people who knew what happened to Kerry and urged them to call Crime Stoppers.

[/FONT][FONT=&amp]“Over time allegiances change, people change and circumstances change, and someone who may have felt intimidated or uncomfortable sharing information with police back in the 1990s may now be in a position to do so,” he said.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/father-of-murdered-perth-woman-kerry-turner-renews-plea-for-information-to-solve-1991-death/news-story/e19ebf4e766f223471bfa9e2d15cf6c2


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It's reported that she went BACK TO THE CAR (because it stopped behind her and someone (presumably the driver, but maybe a passenger) called out - not that she walked around the back of the car.

The thing that has always mystified me is that I've read a few times that her Dad thinks she knew the person because she was unlikely to get in a car with someone she didn't know. Yet- she was seen hitchhiking not long before. You don't generally hitchhike hoping someone you know comes along. So maybe that's just a parent's naive hopes - that your child wouldn't get in a car with a stranger. But it seems that was what she was trying to do.

The fact that Kerry was already hitchhiking, combined with the car stopping BEHIND her and the driver calling out, makes it unlikely in my mind that the driver knew & recognized her (unless they'd met or bumped into each other earlier in the night, and the driver recognised her from her clothes). It would be quite a coincidence to recognize someone you knew from behind at 4am in the morning if you're in a car and they're on foot. IMO.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...der-of-teen-kerry-turner-20160628-gptg4f.html

 

[Bohemian]

The courier mail article in which the 'blue car/Caloundra in 2003' comment is made refers to the printing of the victims face in pizza boxes. Are there any sleuthers that are aware of how this came to happen? Ie a local chain owner pitching in support?

Many businesses came forward to offer help to the Morcombe’s in their search for Daniel. The pizza chain was Eagle Boys Pizza. Their HQ was in Annerley Q:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_Boys

Project Jason has a lot of MSM articles from the time:

https://projectjason.org/forums/topic/412-found-deceased-daniel-morcombe-australia-12072003/

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Image of Toyota Corona and car in BRE's driveway:

IMO this is not a Holden Gemini or Toyota Corona.

This car is more boxy, with a distinctive ridge feature running down side of car doors. And the rear window has a lipped bit at the top.

But I could be wrong!


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[Spooks-R-Us]

Holden Gemini, blue, with spoke-type wheels.

By TuRbO_J from Adelaide, Australia - 1983 Holden Gemini SL, CC BY 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=38717604

By TuRbO_J from Adelaide, Australia - 1983 Holden Gemini SL, CC BY 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=38717600


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden_Gemini

 

[Canning Vale]

We also don't know if that was the final lift in the journey, how lucky would you be to be picked up by someone who didn't live in KTs area and be prepared to take you home. Or how unlucky to be picked up by someone who did live in her area that she may have even known and initially felt safe with.

I suppose when she accepted the ride from Shepperton Rd, Vic Park, that person may have taken her as far as Gosnells, Beckenham or Kenwick and from there got another ride to Kelmscott, Armadale.

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

I asked around and general consensus is that the car parked at BRE's house is a Holden TE Gemini.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1979-1982_Holden_TE_Gemini_SL_sedan_01.jpg

 

[Kambo]

I asked around and general consensus is that the car parked at BRE's house is a Holden TE Gemini.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1979-1982_Holden_TE_Gemini_SL_sedan_01.jpg

I think 99.9% of people would agree with you. Me included. Some people here are just like WAPOL. As much as they want it to be a Datsun - it isn't.


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[ESH]

I asked around and general consensus is that the car parked at BRE's house is a Holden TE Gemini.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1979-1982_Holden_TE_Gemini_SL_sedan_01.jpg

Thanks Spooks....I think you're correct

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[meticulously]

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...t/news-story/79659357cc3fe35ea8b7aafbaf9f7bdb

"Ms Glennon joined Blake Dawson Waldron in early 1993 after graduating from UWA."


This is a picture i had not seen previously so have shared it here simply for that reason.
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"Thursday April 3, 1997:*The partly-clothed body of Ciara Glennon was discovered by a bushwalker.
It was hidden under branches, but not buried, 40m off Pipidinny Road, 45km north of Perth, on a sandy track that was sheltered from view.
The spot was about 2.5km from Wanneroo Road."

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...h/news-story/b80af943b3f4b839a9956cdffd1aa3ab

https://goo.gl/images/xBLmNn
2nd picture is supposedly CG d-site eglington .
Picture from article attached.

 

[ESH]

I think 99.9% of people would agree with you. Me included. Some people here are just like WAPOL. As much as they want it to be a Datsun - it isn't.


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There is also the possibility that reported sightings of vehicle(s) are incorrect...especially if seen at night or just a fleeting glimpse. Even colours can appear different at night or under light. I for one couldn't identify a car's make or model unless I looked at the badges, let alone the year it was made.

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[meticulously]

https://goo.gl/images/xBLmNn

"Claremont Serial Killer -
Police search bush in Swan View after receiving reports of screams heard in the area in the early hours of the morning following the disappearance of Jane Rimmer 5/7/1996"

By:* Nic Ellis
Image ID:*TWA-0060905
Date Reference:*21 January 2016

https://www.westpix.com.au/preview.asp?image=TWA-0060905&itemw=4&itemf=0001&itemstep=1&itemx=27

Another news picture and description that i had not seen previously.
Sharing for that reason only .

 

[Kambo]

There is also the possibility that reported sightings of vehicle(s) are incorrect...especially if seen at night or just a fleeting glimpse. Even colours can appear different at night or under light. I for one couldn't identify a car's make or model unless I looked at the badges, let alone the year it was made.

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I understand that, but on that basis are we to take every witness statement ever made about a crime to be inaccurate as the person may not have known what they were talking about?

Maybe the person was colour blind and drunk and it was actually a pink Lamborghini.




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