Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #18

[Ewood66]

Off the top of my head - but this is reported in MSM - he confessed, but under duress. He was not provided with an interpreter despite English not being his first language. He also has Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder (FASD) - which not only causes cognitive impairment but also a tendency to confabulate and a high degree of susceptibility. People with FASD often are involved with the law because they are easily led astray by others, and often confess to committing crimes of which they are innocent. Josh's Mum was very proactive in supporting Gene's appeal and was reported as believing he was innocent.

I'll find the appropriate MSM links for this info and post it

Also two witnesses indicated seeing him, who recanted afterwards. This was also in one of the news articles listed previously. I remember reading a lot about this around the time of the Appeal.
You would have to question whether he was fit to plead... but as has been the case in the past, under the Mentally Impaired Accused Act, often people are held longer under this Act than if they pled guilty and went to jail (a much publicised example in WA is MN http://www.abc.net.au/rampup/articles/2011/12/09/3387845.htm).

 

[PCS]

If he didn't tell you, then what did you see?

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Just a little bit of Literacy Licence. Can't you tell?

 

[PCS]

PCS,

If you have details of any crimes the best place to report them is to Crime Stoppers WA. You can report them anonymously. Their phone number is 1800 333 000. Alternatively there website is below - for sending an email.

https://www.crimestopperswa.com.au/

Um, Ta. I had a spot due to a scream. The Police went all over that. I prefer to go to areas I am drawn to nowadays. One is SS & the other is an Asian lady & the other is SC. SMM isn't an easy one as I don't know where she is tbh.

 

[amicus]

Okay. I’ve been reading for some time.
I want to share a memory. I grew up in Claremont in the 1980s, a short walk from Bayview Tce and from Rowe Park. I also attended high school with one of the csk victims. So for those and other reasons I have a high degree of personal interest in this matter.

The memory I want to share in case it shakes out something else is from when I was perhaps about 8 or 9, so early 1980s. I would often play with a friend from across the street in one of the lanes behind our houses, which were accessible from the adjacent back yards. We knew - perhaps we had been warned at school? that there was someone in the area who would try to lure kids into his car by asking them to help find his lost dog. And one day there was a man and he did approach us and said just that. So we ran inside and I don’t remember what happened after that. But the point is, it was a known risk, well enough known that we had both been told about it. I’m not sure it’s come up before here.

 

[meticulously]

Poor josh Warneke only has 15 posts on his thread although its been there for years .

Talking about gene gibson here is the wrong thread imo .

 

[Spooks-R-Us]

Okay. I’ve been reading for some time.
I want to share a memory. I grew up in Claremont in the 1980s, a short walk from Bayview Tce and from Rowe Park. I also attended high school with one of the csk victims. So for those and other reasons I have a high degree of personal interest in this matter.

The memory I want to share in case it shakes out something else is from when I was perhaps about 8 or 9, so early 1980s. I would often play with a friend from across the street in one of the lanes behind our houses, which were accessible from the adjacent back yards. We knew - perhaps we had been warned at school? that there was someone in the area who would try to lure kids into his car by asking them to help find his lost dog. And one day there was a man and he did approach us and said just that. So we ran inside and I don’t remember what happened after that. But the point is, it was a known risk, well enough known that we had both been told about it. I’m not sure it’s come up before here.

Hi Amicus and welcome!
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Thanks for sharing your early experience.
Reminds me that Gerard Ross was found with dog hairs on his body.
I'm not suggesting the perps were the same person. But the "come and see my puppy", or "can you help me search for my lost dog" must be a typical ruse used by perps/pedos to attract kids.
Thankfully you ran home!
Spooks [emoji317]


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[Innerchild]

Okay. I’ve been reading for some time.
I want to share a memory. I grew up in Claremont in the 1980s, a short walk from Bayview Tce and from Rowe Park. I also attended high school with one of the csk victims. So for those and other reasons I have a high degree of personal interest in this matter.

The memory I want to share in case it shakes out something else is from when I was perhaps about 8 or 9, so early 1980s. I would often play with a friend from across the street in one of the lanes behind our houses, which were accessible from the adjacent back yards. We knew - perhaps we had been warned at school? that there was someone in the area who would try to lure kids into his car by asking them to help find his lost dog. And one day there was a man and he did approach us and said just that. So we ran inside and I don’t remember what happened after that. But the point is, it was a known risk, well enough known that we had both been told about it. I’m not sure it’s come up before here.

Thanks for posting amicus, appreciate any insights you might have. This may be different to the CSK victims and more like what might have happened to Gerard Ross maybe?

 

[Canning Vale]

Okay. I’ve been reading for some time.
I want to share a memory. I grew up in Claremont in the 1980s, a short walk from Bayview Tce and from Rowe Park. I also attended high school with one of the csk victims. So for those and other reasons I have a high degree of personal interest in this matter.

The memory I want to share in case it shakes out something else is from when I was perhaps about 8 or 9, so early 1980s. I would often play with a friend from across the street in one of the lanes behind our houses, which were accessible from the adjacent back yards. We knew - perhaps we had been warned at school? that there was someone in the area who would try to lure kids into his car by asking them to help find his lost dog. And one day there was a man and he did approach us and said just that. So we ran inside and I don’t remember what happened after that. But the point is, it was a known risk, well enough known that we had both been told about it. I’m not sure it’s come up before here.

Amicus

Thank you for the post, which is most interesting. Quite a few months ago, one of our popular sleuths (Petedavo) bought to our attention a few of those laneways. Are you referring to one of these lane ways? https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...83a8b008c7f2d5!8m2!3d-31.9792837!4d115.786179

We did notice that these two particular laneways intersect, extending from Rowe Park to behind some shops which front Stirling Hwy.

As you’re probably aware back in Feb. 1995 there was an abduction from Rowe Park. Perhaps these laneways were utilised somehow.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj1zaTE2srXAhWMlpQKHeEMA0gQFggwMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthewest.com.au%2Fnews%2Fwa%2Falleged-rape-victim-attends-court-appearance-ng-b88429529z&usg=AOvVaw2MDcZ9dWZuJYtG2y8qK5ty

 

[Xyz]

Poor josh Warneke only has 15 posts on his thread although its been there for years .

Talking about gene gibson here is the wrong thread imo .

Yes, I agree. I have a question that I'd like others' opinions on about the number plate of the car police are looking for. I will post it on Josh's page - but givenhow many more people read the CSK page maybe anyone who may have an idea could go to Josh's page and answer my question?

Thanks 👍

 

[meticulously]

Amicus

Thank you for the post, which is most interesting. Quite a few months ago, one of our popular sleuths (Petedavo) bought to our attention a few of those laneways. Are you referring to one of these lane ways? https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...83a8b008c7f2d5!8m2!3d-31.9792837!4d115.786179

We did notice that these two particular laneways intersect, extending from Rowe Park to behind some shops which front Stirling Hwy.

As you’re probably aware back in Feb. 1995 there was an abduction from Rowe Park. Perhaps these laneways were utilised somehow.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj1zaTE2srXAhWMlpQKHeEMA0gQFggwMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthewest.com.au%2Fnews%2Fwa%2Falleged-rape-victim-attends-court-appearance-ng-b88429529z&usg=AOvVaw2MDcZ9dWZuJYtG2y8qK5ty

The kk victim probably just walked down gugeri st .
If you read the details it makes sense .
Ive posted this map before that i created.


"The young woman had left Club Bay View shortly after midnight and was*walking to a friend's house when she was abducted, taken to the cemetery, raped and released,*The Post*reported."

"The young woman, the 17-year-old, she was walking to a friend's*place in*Gugeri*Street near the Claremont Showgrounds and she never made it," he said."

"She made it as far as the Showgrounds subway and a man grabbed her, put something over her head,*tied her, up -*she said with telephone cable - and bundled her into the back of what she said was a commercial vehicle,*and drove*her deep into the cemetery, where she was sexually assaulted."



http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/c...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

 

[meticulously]

This is some more that ive posted before also .
Marking the subway and courts where the license was found. The most likely blitz area imo aswell.

 

[meticulously]

Two more clippings and two pictures all posted previously here on ws .

 

[meticulously]

This has an 6pr radio interview with Brett Christian !

"The young woman had left Club Bay View shortly after midnight and was walking to a friend's house when she was abducted"

"The young woman, the 17-year-old, she was walking to a friend's*place in*Gugeri*Street near the Claremont Showgrounds and she never made it," he said.*

"She made it as far as the Showgrounds subway and a man grabbed her, put something over her head....."




http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/c...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

 

[meticulously]

Was someone looking for this mention of the 16 disappearances recently ?

"When they began this cold case review in 2004 they announced they would be examining 16 disappearances of women so who knows how active and for how long this guy has been before this, or ( how he ) escalated behaviour afterwards.
And of course if they'd caught him at the time of the first sexual assault the rest would never have happened.

"I think they really thoroughly investigated it, but maybe with what is known today, or maybe if they'd thrown the resources into that that they'd thrown into the other three disappearances they may have come up with a different result at the time before everything went cold."


http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/c...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html


Picture looking from gugeri st towards the courts .

 

[meticulously]

Originally posted by sutton :

Early Clues Missed
Bret Christian
The Post
December 31, 2016.

"Detectives missed three early opportunities that could have led them to the Claremont serial killer in the 1990s.

The first was clues left on the driver’s license of a 17-year-old girl abducted and raped in 1995.

The second was when car upholstery samples recovered from the body of Jane Rimmer were sent to the wrong department of the Chemistry Centre in 1996; and the third was a vital clue missed in forensic examination of the body of Ciara Glennon in 1997.

The 17-year-old was abducted from Claremont’s Rowe Park in February 1995, opposite the Showgrounds Subway, taken to Karrakatta Cemetery and raped.

The teenager, who had left Claremont’s Club Bay View and was walking to a friend’s house after midnight, survived.

Her attacker had handled her driver’s licence. A young girl who lived locally found it discarded in the park soon after the attack.

Some detectives investigating the Claremont murders believe the licence would have yielded the fingerprints and DNA of the attacker had they been able to preserve it early.

The girl who found the licence told her older sister but police were not informed at the time.
That abduction and sexual assault were investigated by the Claremont Criminal Investigation Branch and the Sex Assault Squad.

It was written off as unsolved after six weeks.

It was not until more than a year later that the Rowe Park incident was re-investigated, this time by the Macro Task force set up to investigate the disappearance of Sarah Spiers in January 1996 and Jane Rimmer in July the same year.

The Macro detectives did something that the Claremont CIB did not.

They door-knocked the houses surrounding Rowe Park and the victim’s driver’s licence was handed to them.

In the meantime, friends of the victim said she was distressed because she worried that her attacker may have kept her licence which contained her name and address.

But while some Macro officers thought there was an obvious link between the Rowe Park crime and the later abductions, senior Macro officers discounted any link.

They said repeatedly that it was a “different MO” ( modus operandi)

This was at the time when no bodies had been recovered, so it is hard to see how an MO could be determined.

They believed that the “serial killer” victims must have gotten willingly in to a car, perhaps a taxi or a vehicle driven by a person in authority such as a police officer.

The Rowe Park incident was allegedly a “blitz attack”, with the teen disabled and forced into a vehicle.
Senior Macro officers became convinced that they had their man in Cottesloe public servant Lance Williams. He has now been absolutely eliminated by DNA.

The Rowe Park attack was again filed as unsolved until 2008.

Claremont CIB no longer exists. Its culture in the early 1990s became the focus of harsh criticism by the 2004 Kennedy Royal Commission into police corruption, Commissioner Kennedy describing the actions of some officers there as “distressing''.

A second opportunity was missed when car upholstery samples recovered with adhesive tape from the body of Jane Rimmer were sent to the wrong department of the Chemistry Centre in 1996.

Macro assumed that the samples had been lost, although the Schramm external review said that the fibres were likely to (sic) vital clues if tested (POST December 11, 2004).

The samples were not found until the Chem Centre moved to Bentley in 2011. Tests then revealed breakthrough clues about a motor vehicle.

Another blunder concerned forensic examination of the body of Ciara Glennon, found at Eglinton north of Perth two weeks after she disappeared from Claremont in March of 1997.

A critical item from her body was overlooked at the time and not tested until years after the Schramm review in 2004, an international and interstate external review forced on local police after the broadcast of 'He Who Waits', an episode of the ABC’s Australian Story.

The item from Ciara Glennon was then taken to the United Kingdom for testing, these tests revealing the breakthrough clue.

Despite the Schramm review identifying numerous promising forensic opportunities, some reluctant senior police kept insisting that the Claremont murders were the work of the man they referred to as LKW—Lance Kenneth Williams.

The investigation into the Claremont murders was winding down and in danger of being shelved in 2015. The POST revealed in October and November some of the breakthrough links that had so far not led to an arrest.

Renewed interest in the murders led to more resources and expert personnel being thrown at the case that gripped the nation over Christmas."


The link that used to work for this Post news doesn't work anymore Sorry broken.

 

[Canning Vale]

The kk victim probably just walked down gugeri st .
If you read the details it makes sense .
Ive posted this map before that i created.


"The young woman had left Club Bay View shortly after midnight and was*walking to a friend's house when she was abducted, taken to the cemetery, raped and released,*The Post*reported."

"The young woman, the 17-year-old, she was walking to a friend's*place in*Gugeri*Street near the Claremont Showgrounds and she never made it," he said."

"She made it as far as the Showgrounds subway and a man grabbed her, put something over her head,*tied her, up -*she said with telephone cable - and bundled her into the back of what she said was a commercial vehicle,*and drove*her deep into the cemetery, where she was sexually assaulted."



http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/c...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

Metic,

You're right about the alleyways not being utilised. Many thanks for the information.

 

[petedavo.au]

Kambo,

Thanks for the information. With regard to the Canning Vale street drags, could that perhaps have been in Bannister Rd Canning Vale. The western end which is nearer the Jandakot airport? About ten years ago, I worked in Bannister Road when WAPOL knocked on doors of the businesses. Something had been found in the vicinity and they were making inquiries. We gathered it was something belonging to one of the girls, but they provided little information. I don't have any links regarding that information.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/plac...8c2253d860602c4!8m2!3d-32.062115!4d115.904838

Hmm. I wonder if it could've been something at the tip? After the City of Gosnells closed Kelvin Rd Tip in Orange Grove, did they Co share with City of Gosnells for Tip passes and rubbish truck dumping?

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[petedavo.au]

Papertrail do you know of newspaper article printed not long after GC went missing talking about a blonde man had offered another girl a lift from the Conti the night before and was seen by this woman on cctv talking to Jane inside the Conti the night she went missing?

I thought I'd read it on one of the links going back to around Feb 2016, but can't find it.

Does anyone remember this article and knows what happened to the blonde man? Thanks in advance.

Vaguely remember talk of a blonde surfer dude. Originally thought that was how they described the mystery Man on the video that they were looking for.

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[meticulously]

Metic,

You're right about the alleyways not being utilised. Many thanks for the information.

Thanks CV,
Up until dec 31 when brett Christian wrote about the licence being found in
"The Post December 31, 2016 Early Clues Missed".
It had never been mentioned in msn news afaik, that the kk victims license had been found .

Although it might have been said by a Websleuther , * edited; ive just looked for the comment but cannot find it .

 

[petedavo.au]

Um, Ta. I had a spot due to a scream. The Police went all over that. I prefer to go to areas I am drawn to nowadays. One is SS & the other is an Asian lady & the other is SC. SMM isn't an easy one as I don't know where she is tbh.

I doubt if those three are in the same hole. The coroner's report on SMM would give you the best clue as to who does know and they aren't talking. As for SC, it'd all depends on whether you want to think that the doctor in the Hills gave us a clue on a blog, but I doubt if it was him on the blog and he only ever became suspect in the public's mind because RC's defence lawyer said so in court. As for SS, we're all assuming she's part of this CSK business, but she might not, so I don't know if you're fossicking around down at Wellard will turn up anything. I assume police have been over that and other places already. The only new idea I had which is worth a look at, which might not of come up on their list is near the corner of Kewdale Rd and Abernethy Rd which I presume is being looked into.

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