Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #18

[meticulously]

https://thewest.com.au/news/crime/250k-reward-over-1998-lisa-brown-murder-mystery-ng-b88678052z

Meticulously - in the above news video the presenter mentions that the police have fresh evidence to do with Lisa Brown's murder but are not releasing details. I heard this on Channel Ten 5.00pm news this evening too. All other news reports don't mention this. Would love to know what this evidence is. MOO[

Lisa Brown, 19, was last seen alive by her boyfriend in the early hours of November 10 when she walked down Brisbane Street in Northbridge and turned into Palmerston Street. Source Perthnow.com.au

Hadn’t heard that part before. At a time when young girls were going missing regularly, her so called boyfriend let her wander off into the night.

Interesting


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Maybe the boyfriend didnt agree with what Lisa was doing .
Saying he let her wander off into the night might be far from the truth imo

Kambo your quote is broken too , so should alert the mods to fix it . Ive fixed it myself when quoting it .

 

[Pandit]

My thoughts are that the CSK, whoever he may be, perhaps may have selected the Claremont area for abducting women because he is/was a motor racing fan, which may have attracted him into the area - there was once a speedway in Claremont. Perhaps after the speedway he ventured, nearby to one of the Cottesloe hotels, and afterwards to the nightclubs at Claremont.

In the past, one of our forum members (spooks) has questioned where the CSK may have spent time as a youth - which held good memories for him. My thoughts are perhaps the CSK watched or partook in illegal street drag-racing. JMO..

Recently, a couple of forum members have posted places in which illegal street racing once took place - south-eastern suburbs. In particular, the first three places interest me the most...

1. Anketell Rd (Note: possibly had a previous name) - JRs D-site
2. Pipidinny rd on atleast one occasion - CGs D-site
3. Cutler Rd, Jandakot

4. Hope Rd, Jandakot
5. Acourt Rd, Canning Vale (Unsure if it was Acourt Rd)

Listed below is the information within the posts uploaded by BeGumShoe, beyK123 and Kambo. They've all been snipped for brevity...
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BeGumShoe - 15-11-2017 - Post No. #1241
In the early 1990’s there was an illegal street drag racing culture in Perth. And I can remember 3 specific sites:
1. Ankatel rd (which I think had another name then).
2. In Jandakot in a secluded industrial area.
3. Pipidinny rd on atleast one occasion.

BeGumShoe - 17-11-2017 - Post No. #1331
It was in the 90’s and from memory it was near where Berrigan meets Karel av. I do remmember an old abandoned mansion on the corner of the road?
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beyK123 - 29-11-2017 - Post No. #1455
In response to the earlier discussion regarding illegal street racing locations in Perth during that time period, after a quick google search I came across a forum thread where someone briefly mentions Cutler Road in Jandakot. Sorry if someone has already posted this link.
http://www.performanceforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-67293184.html
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Kambo - 19-11-2017 - Post No. #1351
Think it was Hope road / Training place, pre Roe hwy it looked a lot different. I think there was another one out the back of Canning Vale that was more towards the eastern side of Jandakot Airport. I think that was called Hope road aswell.

Kambo - 19-11-2017 - Post No. #1361
It was more out Nicholson/Warton road way, not far from the prison. Looking at a map Acourt road could be it. It was very long and straight and full of junk dumped on the side of the road...

I believe we may add Woolcoot Road, Wellard where JR was found as somewhere burning rubber and illegal street drags might be held if these pictures are anything to go by CV with evidence here all over the road.


It's my view, whether on file or by talking to his mates and asking the right questions, the police will find evidence in BRE's history of illegal street racing, burnouts, hoon driving or a wannabe/amateur rally car driver. I think this might open up another strong line of inquiry.

He may have also lost his license at some point, imo they may also likely find some kind of identity fraud around this.

Sources:Images 1 & 2 Google maps 2008 view. Previously supplied by Innerchild and Meticulously.

 

[meticulously]

Post #798
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13035237

Post #829
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13035298

Post #832
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13035307

Dec 31 , 2016
Posted by #Papatoetoe

 

[Canning Vale]

Post #798
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13035237

Post #829
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13035298

Post #832
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13035307

Dec 31 , 2016
Posted by #Papatoetoe

Metic,

Thanks for the post. I'm unable to open any of the links. There's just a message about them being a private connection. I've reported it to the moderators. I suppose you've had lots of PMs about the matter. Hopefully it will be resolved soon. Regards CV

 

[Canning Vale]

I believe we may add Woolcoot Road, Wellard where JR was found as somewhere burning rubber and illegal street drags might be held if these pictures are anything to go by CV with evidence here all over the road.


It's my view, whether on file or by talking to his mates and asking the right questions, the police will find evidence in BRE's history of illegal street racing, burnouts, hoon driving or a wannabe/amateur rally car driver. I think this might open up another strong line of inquiry.

He may have also lost his license at some point, imo they may also likely find some kind of identity fraud around this.

Sources:Images 1 & 2 Google maps 2008 view. Previously supplied by Innerchild and Meticulously.

Pandit,

This link is a dudd too. I've reported it to the moderators...

The message states 'Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator'

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[ApplePie80]

Pandit,

This link is a dudd too. I've reported it to the moderators...
...

Change the 'https' to 'http' in your links and they work fine.

 

[ApplePie80]

Would like to know if anyone has dug into why the name 'Blake Dawson Waldron' at one stage had 'Edwards' also in the title, and if this is of any significance?

 

[petedavo.au]

Would like to know if anyone has dug into why the name 'Blake Dawson Waldron' at one stage had 'Edwards' also in the title, and if this is of any significance?

Sydney law firm Dawson, Waldron and Glover became Dawson, Waldron, Edwards and Nicholls in early 1900's. Became Blake Dawson Waldron later when setting up Australia wide, and now Ashurst Australia when becoming part of a global brand. No significance at all.

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[Pandit]

Thanks for letting me know CV. I'm not sure how to fix this as they were pictures posted from my own files (copied directly from this forum) and which have loaded correctly before. They're 2008 images of Woolcoot Road, Wellard very close to where JR was found showing what could be evidence street drags and doughnuts on the road in two sections, just a lot of rubber that I don't think ordinarily we'd see.

Pandit,

This link is a dudd too. I've reported it to the moderators...

The message states 'Invalid Attachment specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator'

 

[Canning Vale]

During the 1980s my family lived in Huntingdale. We lived near Kelvedon Way, which was near to the Southern River (creek) and a considerable distance from Gay St. Gay St is toward the far west of Huntingdale, the outskirts, and at the time mostly rural acreage lots of 3 to 5 acres.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-32.0730653,115.9730979,17z

At the time, Huntingdale was considered a nice area; along Warton Rd there was a small group of convenience shops, a service station, a primary school near Fountain Way and the local doctor practiced from a house. Further west, of Warton Rd was mostly bushland with the occasional house.

About 1987 - a neighbour warned me about a the street having a prowler and to make sure the home was locked-up and secure. I recall being told, one night, one of the male-neighbours chased someone, but I only have a vague memory of that.

Do any of the other locals recall instances of a prowler? I’m referring to Gosnells and Thornlie too. At the time, there may have been an article in the local paper - Comment News. I think it was about a year before the 1988 break-in.

I’m aware that the southside rapist was active, but not sure which areas he was prowling in.

 

[Canning Vale]

Thanks for letting me know CV. I'm not sure how to fix this as they were pictures posted from my own files (copied directly from this forum) and which have loaded correctly before. They're 2008 images of Woolcoot Road, Wellard very close to where JR was found showing what could be evidence street drags and doughnuts on the road in two sections, just a lot of rubber that I don't think ordinarily we'd see.

Pandit,
I recall someone mentioning the skid-marks on the road. That was such a good pick-up. I feel there's a connection with the d-sites and motor sports. There was also the Sheraton Dorothy incident, which indicated the perp. was into motor racing.

Perhaps we could look at the dates various races were held. Not just the Claremont Speedway.

 

[Pandit]

Hi CV,

The metal racer seat in the Dorothy attack was the big clue imo, the 'driving' gloves also a tip and while a robber or house breaker back in the 80s in premeditated planning of a crime might wear gloves losing fear of leaving fingerprints behind imo this offender was disorganised and inexperienced. I don't think fingerprints were being lifted off skin either prior to the 90s so the gloves were probably driving related.

If BRE had been registered in any professional or amateur motorsports event or meet, I think we might have found him. I've had a look through the list of entrants of all the rally events I could find in WA, there's a few Edwards participated but no Bradley. Shame the name Edwards is so common, needle epic haystack.

In the youtube clip I posted previously on illegal street drags twelve regular locations were mentioned (without naming all of them) however the news feature on illegal street drags late 80s in and around Perth coincidentally was filmed in Fremantle. Julie Cutler was living in Fremantle when she disappeared.

Pandit,
I recall someone mentioning the skid-marks on the road. That was such a good pick-up. I feel there's a connection with the d-sites and motor sports. There was also the Sheraton Dorothy incident, which indicated the perp. was into motor racing.

Perhaps we could look at the dates various races were held. Not just the Claremont Speedway.

 

[Pandit]

Julie's Fiat 125 while might give the impression of and was marketed as a family sedan, had a bit of speed. I'd be curious to know if JC ever attended as a spectator at one of these meets and if perhaps that's where she was seen and targeted but for the earlier Sheraton attack. Maybe Dorothy stood in when Julie didn't show up.

This Fiat 125 has obviously had some engine work but here's one burning a little rubber and peaking at 116 mph.

[video=youtube;4DVWzOXsUdU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DVWzOXsUdU[/video]

Hi CV,

The metal racer seat in the Dorothy attack was the big clue imo, the 'driving' gloves also a tip and while a robber or house breaker back in the 80s in premeditated planning of a crime might wear gloves losing fear of leaving fingerprints behind imo this offender was disorganised and inexperienced. I don't think fingerprints were being lifted off skin either prior to the 90s so the gloves were probably driving related.

If BRE had been registered in any professional or amateur motorsports event or meet, I think we might have found him. I've had a look through the list of entrants of all the rally events I could find in WA, there's a few Edwards participated but no Bradley. Shame the name Edwards is so common, needle epic haystack.

In the youtube clip I posted previously on illegal street drags twelve regular locations were mentioned (without naming all of them) however the news feature on illegal street drags late 80s in and around Perth coincidentally was filmed in Fremantle. Julie Cutler was living in Fremantle when she disappeared.

 

[Canning Vale]

Julie's Fiat 125 while might give the impression of and was marketed as a family sedan, had a bit of speed. I'd be curious to know if JC ever attended as a spectator at one of these meets and if perhaps that's where she was seen and targeted but for the earlier Sheraton attack. Maybe Dorothy stood in when Julie didn't show up.

This Fiat 125 has obviously had some engine work but here's one burning a little rubber and peaking at 116 mph.

[video=youtube;4DVWzOXsUdU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DVWzOXsUdU[/video]

I wonder if the perpetrator had seen JC outside of work, wearing her work uniform. Perhaps the perp. "assumed" she worked at the Sheraton Hotel. Perhaps the perp. waited at the Sheraton Hotel for JC to leave work, but of course she didn't, so he turned his rage on whoever walked past - i.e. Dorothy. Thankfully he didn't rape Dorothy, she was mid-forties and perhaps just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

 

[Pandit]

Refer back to the news clip late 80's on illegal street drags. #1311 on this thread.

There was a 100m concrete strip used for illegal drags in Gnangara Pines, eventually the police filled it in with limestone and they moved on to somewhere else. Scarborough and Kings Park towards the mid 90s. Triggs carpark was also a venue.

Since no new information appears to have come forward all these years later on the Sheraton attack and JC's disappearance, it might be worth a shot to track all the people down in the clip out of Fremantle. I'm not suggesting they know anything about JC but they may have seen that little yellow car, might even know Bogsy and have a tale or two to tell that couldn't be openly talked about when they were much younger.

 

[Canning Vale]

I wonder if the perpetrator had seen JC outside of work, wearing her work uniform. Perhaps the perp. "assumed" she worked at the Sheraton Hotel. Perhaps the perp. waited at the Sheraton Hotel for JC to leave work, but of course she didn't, so he turned his rage on whoever walked past - i.e. Dorothy. Thankfully he didn't rape Dorothy, she was mid-forties and perhaps just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

Dorothy was attacked on the 28th May and a few weeks beforehand was the Rally Australia which was held in the main street and very close to both the Sheraton and Parmelia Hotels. Perhaps JC popped in to see the rally - wearing her work uniform.

I've read beforehand that Telecom had something to do with the rally, at some stage, but in the early days it had the name of BP Visco....

1988 - Rally Australia. The Perth leg was held 30 April - 1 May with the rally moving to Bega on the NSW South Coast 11- 12 June with the next one being in August. Any competitors in Western Australia would have more likely been local, however maybe the increased popularity of Rally Cars increased the purchases of rally style cars and car accessories. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_A...y_Championship Annually held in Perth between 1988 and 2006 https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=1988 Australian Rally Championship BP Visco Forest Rally

 

[Canning Vale]

Refer back to the news clip late 80's on illegal street drags. #1311 on this thread.

There was a 100m concrete strip used for illegal drags in Gnangara Pines, eventually the police filled it in with limestone and they moved on to somewhere else. Scarborough and Kings Park towards the mid 90s. Triggs carpark was also a venue.

Since no new information appears to have come forward all these years later on the Sheraton attack and JC's disappearance, it might be worth a shot to track all the people down in the clip out of Fremantle. I'm not suggesting they know anything about JC but they may have seen that little yellow car, might even know Bogsy and have a tale or two to tell that couldn't be openly talked about when they were much younger.

It's a shame we can't start a FB page and get people to upload old photos, there might be something relevant.

 

[Whatsgoingonhere]

Hi long time reader here......
a general question to all sleuths that follow this case , do you think with the information or lack of information that has been provided Bradley Edwards is guilty ?

If I look at the facts that have been put out via media there's none other then a DNA link via the white karate costume ? And a abuduction allegedly?

You would assume over the course of the case 20 years there has been lots of leaks to the media , articles about pieces of papers found in sheds , books written , moderate hearsay , possible interstate links , rounding up of groups for DNA testing , detectives going over seas to see prisoners, reviews . Then nothing in the media .

Any thoughts on why the stall ?

 

[Canning Vale]

Hi long time reader here......
a general question to all sleuths that follow this case , do you think with the information or lack of information that has been provided Bradley Edwards is guilty ?

If I look at the facts that have been put out via media there's none other then a DNA link via the white karate costume ? And a abuduction allegedly?

You would assume over the course of the case 20 years there has been lots of leaks to the media , articles about pieces of papers found in sheds , books written , moderate hearsay , possible interstate links , rounding up of groups for DNA testing , detectives going over seas to see prisoners, reviews . Then nothing in the media .

Any thoughts on why the stall ?

Whatsgoingonhere,

Thank you for the post, they’re all good questions. We’re definitely not permitted to state whether we think the accused CSK is guilty or not.
The accused CSK has been charged with several crimes. As the CSK case has been noted as being the biggest in Australian history, my guess would be that all the work done by detectives has needed to be kept confidential. My impression is that the work of the CSK has been so horrid it’s had to be kept quiet.

I’d also like to know what interstate work they’ve done especially with the likes of the crime below:

Nov 1998 - Tracey Howard - 3am left Cheers Nightclub, Ballarat heraldsun (Note: thanks to forum member Petedavo for initially locating the article)

Also, regarding the attachment which shows a man holding up an old book of diagrams. We've discussed that information beforehand and the Government Rd building. Government Rd is adjacent to the Karakatta cemetery where one of the victims was taken.

These are only my thoughts and opinions.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjEkov1me3XAhVBJ5QKHZEuA24QFggpMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fthewest.com.au%2Fnews%2Fwa%2Fpolice-search-former-home-of-claremont-murder-accused-ng-b88359689z&usg=AOvVaw2SA3CpIYEqXTfHXEV2TcSp

 

[Whatsgoingonhere]

If if you read the heading differently with a different connotation anything is possible