Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #19

[Kambo]

They wouldn't have to tell the public, but I imagine it would be nigh on impossible to hide.

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There is no way they have found her body and not disclosed it. Not a chance in hell.

 

[Akai]

All charges need the prosecutor to prove (provide evidence of some description) to convince a judge or jury that:
-BRE was at same sites and times as the victims, depending on where the crimes commenced as seems to be victims were taken in street but defence could argue he was legitimately at all places as victims and even legitimately been with them.
(Also strange no abduction charges for Claremont victims especially if taken from the streets blitz style)
-BRE was the person who perpetrated the crimes, only wilful murder charges for Claremont victims (sole reliance on DNA seems a dangerous option because of muck up in storage, testing staff issues, reliance on incomplete and compromised samples, the defence should easily discredit reliability on some if not all DNA evidence). Must be more evidence not known to public.
Wilful murder, prosecutor must be able to link suspect to bodies and/or bodies to suspect as well as the act of murder itself with enough information they believe can convince jury or judge. JMO

I think there aren't any abduction charges because they don't have enough evidence to point to them being taken by force.

Also a note about the "wilful murder" charge, which I've been thinking about. "Wilful murder" requires them to prove that the CSK intended to kill them, not just that he intended grevious bodily harm and they ended up dying, which would be "murder", or that he unlawfully killed them otherwise, which would be manslaughter.

I am guessing that the bodies of JR and CG have evidence that supports a wilful murder charge. Isn't there some debate about whether they were strangled or throats cut? Based on the charges, I'm thinking the latter, because it's hard to claim slitting someone's throat was just to hurt them whereas that might be easier to argue with strangulation.

I am also wondering what they have and/or why they have gone for wilful murder in the case of SS, especially in light of the fact that she was the first victim (I could see more of an assumption of how she died if she was the second or third). Francis Wark was charged with wilful murder, but the absence of a body was part of the reason he was only convicted of murder.

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[Akai]

There is no way they have found her body and not disclosed it. Not a chance in hell.

Indeed, that's what I was getting at. I think they'd be chomping at the bit to reveal their find, but even if they wanted to conceal it, I don't see how they could manage that.

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[DRT]

What is the difference between user & guest? Thought I was a user but my name isn't coming up on the list???

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You are a user. A guest is someone either not logged on or reading the thread without an official logon.

Green next to the name may mean you are reading another thread or other information.

 

[janwa]

Familial DNA matches are got from searching criminal data bases. No nicking beer glasses or picking up discarded cigarette buts. For example sons and brothers will have a 50 % match. Grandparent 25%, cousin 12 1/2%. Even a partial match will have shared STR markers.

It is apparently harder to match female relatives YSTR markers

https://aic.gov.au/publications/tandi/tandi506

 

[no name]

Can someone help ? didn't a police statement or msm imply that the victims (ones found) had been murdered not long after being "taken" ? will look for the article too. This helped fuel the blitz theory.
I took to mean the victims were transported dead to final sites of discovery and site evidence also confirmed they were not murdered at discovery sites.

They have said this all along. It was only in KO'K's announcement of the arrest that we heard the dumpsite was the place they were killed. Prior to this, it was not only assumed there was different locations, but well documented in MSM from police comments that they were 2 separate locations.

 

[Akai]

EDIT: Mucked up quoting.

 

[DRT]

Tigermoth video whoever wanted it.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...K-1996-97-Perth-WA-14&p=13467916#post13467916

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2gljugvei...eqE5SEKqa?dl=0

 

[DRT]

I found this on the Supreme Court site. It is a template for documents. It opens directly into an excel document for those that can view XLS files.

www.supremecourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Index109.xls

For those without excel access it has several tabs, cover, court documents, images, pages, authorities and chronology.

 

[ESH]

Has anyone heard why the police divers were looking in Tomato Lake the other week?

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[Owlie]

I figure the gold skirt was a deliberate attempt to make it seem that the author knew more about the case than they did to mislead.

Gold skirt????


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[Owlie]

Frankie How well would you say they know each other ?

Who is PCS???


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[Owlie]

I was talking Jane Marwick not Jane Rimmer as this was a response to PD.

"And then Ciara Glennon disappeared. Like Sarah and many of us, she was an Ionian. Her mum had taught us at Iona Presentation College, and we remembered a clever, effervescent girl whose family was involved in the school."

Apologies, I thought you meant Jane Rimmer


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[Credulious]

One thing that I have just realised after watching that video clip about a million times is that MM extends his LEFT hand as some gesture. Being a right hander, I would typically do some hand gesture primarily with my right hand....is there any possibility that the CSK could be a left hander...or could this be a whacko theory I accuse others of ?

Quite the opposite of whacko, that's an awesome observation. He does appear to lead with his left. Can't see the right hand, but the shoulder movement supports it being the left that he gestures with his left before any movement on the right. I'm right handed and I lead with my right, too.

What always annoys me when I watch that footage is that we can't see where he was or what he was doing when Jane begins her reaaction.

Mandy made this observation too

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?329306-Australia-Claremont-SK-1996-97-Perth-WA-13/page64


And Alwaysquestion

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ller-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia/page16

 

[Misticaldees]

geez.....parkies comments are interesting. He left as soon as the talk of Telstra got pretty hot.

He mentions Kerry Turner, CSK having 4 kills. Are there any updates on her case? maybe his first kill....

 

[Owlie]

Tigermoth video whoever wanted it.

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...K-1996-97-Perth-WA-14&p=13467916#post13467916

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2gljugvei...eqE5SEKqa?dl=0

I was always too scared to watch it, lol


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[Credulious]

geez.....parkies comments are interesting. He left as soon as the talk of Telstra got pretty hot.

He mentions Kerry Turner, CSK having 4 kills. Are there any updates on her case? maybe his first kill....

I read he was into HAM radio

 

[meticulously]

geez.....parkies comments are interesting. He left as soon as the talk of Telstra got pretty hot.

He mentions Kerry Turner, CSK having 4 kills. Are there any updates on her case? maybe his first kill....

Do you mean that seriously spooky old G Hughes Australian news blogger Dr P hibes became Porkie [emoji780]
"Just a feeling" he gets hey???

 

[Owlie]

Do you mean that seriously spooky old G Hughes Australian news blogger Dr P hibes became Porkie [emoji780]
"Just a feeling" he gets hey???

That’s my understanding, yes.


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[meticulously]

Mandy made this observation too

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?329306-Australia-Claremont-SK-1996-97-Perth-WA-13/page64


And Alwaysquestion

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ller-1996-1997-Perth-Western-Australia/page16

When was the cctv film released ?